n-600 certificate of citizenship destroyed soon after passport was made

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dudnaito

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This event occurred about 5 years ago. Due to some rather unfortunate circumstances my certificate of citizenship was destroyed literally days after i made it. However, because i managed to create a passport before said incident, I haven't had to do anything even while traveling around the world.

I'm getting a bit edgy without my certificate though, and feel that I might need it sometime in the future.

However, looking at the N-565 form, it asks for a "certificate number." However, obviously, I don't know my certificate number.

I literally got the certificate of citizenship from Atlanta, a day later, I was in my car with all of my earthly belongings and moving to Los Angeles. I know I should have made a copy immediately, but I was so busy, I just managed to make a passport, then the certificate got destroyed.

Do I need to get a lawyer, do some FOIA to procure this information?

Any advice in general?

Thanks.
 
Give them what you have and they will look you up. Name, DOB, Country of Birth, A#, SSN, whatever. Copy of passport.
 
dudnaito said:
This event occurred about 5 years ago. Due to some rather unfortunate circumstances my certificate of citizenship was destroyed literally days after i made it. However, because i managed to create a passport before said incident, I haven't had to do anything even while traveling around the world.

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I literally got the certificate of citizenship from Atlanta, a day later, I was in my car with all of my earthly belongings and moving to Los Angeles. I know I should have made a copy immediately, but I was so busy, I just managed to make a passport, then the certificate got destroyed.
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In English you shouldn't tell people that you made or created a passport or naturalization certificate, because that would be like saying you physically printed it yourself, which would bring implications of forgery. You should say that you received or obtained the passport and certificate, don't say you made or created it.
 
dudnaito said:
Thanks for the reply.

you think that's sufficient? Any precedent for this?
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It is simple common sense and standard operating procedure.

The only valid reasons for the rejection of this form are:
1.) NOT SIGNED,
2.) FEE Problem---NO Payment Enclosed, or WRONG FEE Amount Enclosed, Incorrect Payee on Check or Money Order, or NO I-912 FEE Waiver Form enclosed.
 
As much as i understand your point, this is a forum of people who have been subverted primarily by filing procedures... not sure common sense and rationale will prevail.

Sorry if I'm irritating you, but I hope you understand. Don't want to wait around for 5+months and several hundred dollars only to be asked where my certificate number is. Just a question: is this standard filing procedure one that USCIS employs, or are you just making an educated guess?
 
dudnaito said:
This event occurred about 5 years ago. Due to some rather unfortunate circumstances my certificate of citizenship was destroyed literally days after i made it. However, because i managed to create a passport before said incident, I haven't had to do anything even while traveling around the world.

I'm getting a bit edgy without my certificate though, and feel that I might need it sometime in the future.

However, looking at the N-565 form, it asks for a "certificate number." However, obviously, I don't know my certificate number.

I literally got the certificate of citizenship from Atlanta, a day later, I was in my car with all of my earthly belongings and moving to Los Angeles. I know I should have made a copy immediately, but I was so busy, I just managed to make a passport, then the certificate got destroyed.

Do I need to get a lawyer, do some FOIA to procure this information?

Any advice in general?

Thanks.
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Just how exactly did your certificate of citizenship "get destroyed"?

And what was your status in the U.S. prior to that?
 
dudnaito said:
As much as i understand your point, this is a forum of people who have been subverted primarily by filing procedures... not sure common sense and rationale will prevail.

Sorry if I'm irritating you, but I hope you understand. Don't want to wait around for 5+months and several hundred dollars only to be asked where my certificate number is. Just a question: is this standard filing procedure one that USCIS employs, or are you just making an educated guess?
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This is first-hand knowledge from an former INS/USCIS Adjudicator. You have to provide enough information for them to find your file. Got an A#? The more you provide, the easier it will be for them to find your file. I once dealt with a dipstick who NEGLECTED to mention that he was adopted and had another name. I didn't know that for a couple of months and there was tons of back and forth communication including asking for ALL names used. He didn't think it was important enough to mention!

And yes, this thread is becoming irritating but not nearly as irritating as the continuing bombardment of SPAM posts. I used to just hit the What's New button and get the latest. Now, I have to go to individual Forum sections and try to find something worth the effort of reading and responding to.
 
nice thanks, and i remember my alien number... or at least I'm 99% sure I know what it is. alrighty, i guess i'll send it out soon.
 
dudnaito said:
As much as i understand your point, this is a forum of people who have been subverted primarily by filing procedures... not sure common sense and rationale will prevail.
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Not sure about the forum, but let's talk about this section of the forum ... if they have been subverted, it is because they are asking for naturalization benefit which is a big thing to grant. If your paperwork is out of order on N400, of course you are going to get in trouble. However, for the people who are asking for a reprinting of the certificate ... why are they doing it? because they lost it or destroyed it like you did ... which implies they may or may not have the documentation and obviously the process and standards will be different.
 
dudnaito said:
nice thanks, and i remember my alien number... or at least I'm 99% sure I know what it is. alrighty, i guess i'll send it out soon.
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If you have your copy of the green card, look that up ... if you have a copy of your EADs or paroles, look them up. If you do not have either, but went through a lawyer, ask the lawyer.
 
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