n-400 "lack of good moral character"

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I just got my N-400 denied because my "lack of good moral character". The immigration officer told me at our interview that I will receive my oath letter as long as I go deregister myself from being a voter within 30 days after the interview and send her the original documents to prove that. So I did exact what she said, and got a letter six weeks later that denied my N-400 application for "lack of good moral characters"!!! The reason for this it is because they said the documents I provided are computer printouts, but "computer printouts" are exact what I received at the Registrar of Voters office when I deregistered.
I'm being punished (maybe "insult" is a better word?) for telling the truth at the first place by check "yes" on the N-400 application where they asked "did you ever registered to vote" (this is obviously a very common mistake a lot of immigrants make, that's why they have a specific question for it. I don't know why the government doesn't do anything to prevent this issue). Than they denied my N-400 after I sent in the "original" documents like they asked me to.
My question to immigration and the government is that.............How you guys expect good moral characters from people when you punish them for telling the truth????? I paid my taxes, I registered for selective services, and I obeyed the law, but Noooooioooo, I can't register to vote even though it's a mistake caused by the government (DMV) at the first place. I contribute to the United States as much as most of the citizens in this country, and it seems like it is the only thing the government wants me to do.

Also, the postal office delayed the denial letter from immigration for a month. So I actually got the letter over a month after immigration send it out!!! I have entirely lost my confidents in all the government agencies except the IRS.
 
ccczzzzz said:
I just got my N-400 denied because my "lack of good moral character". The immigration officer told me at our interview that I will receive my oath letter as long as I go deregister myself from being a voter within 30 days after the interview and send her the original documents to prove that. So I did exact what she said, and got a letter six weeks later that denied my N-400 application for "lack of good moral characters"!!! The reason for this it is because they said the documents I provided are computer printouts, but "computer printouts" are exact what I received at the Registrar of Voters office when I deregistered.
I'm being punished (maybe "insult" is a better word?) for telling the truth at the first place by check "yes" on the N-400 application where they asked "did you ever registered to vote" (this is obviously a very common mistake a lot of immigrants make, that's why they have a specific question for it. I don't know why the government doesn't do anything to prevent this issue). Than they denied my N-400 after I sent in the "original" documents like they asked me to.
My question to immigration and the government is that.............How you guys expect good moral characters from people when you punish them for telling the truth????? I paid my taxes, I registered for selective services, and I obeyed the law, but Noooooioooo, I can't register to vote even though it's a mistake caused by the government (DMV) at the first place. I contribute to the United States as much as most of the citizens in this country, and it seems like it is the only thing the government wants me to do.

Also, the postal office delayed the denial letter from immigration for a month. So I actually got the letter over a month after immigration send it out!!! I have entirely lost my confidents in all the government agencies except the IRS.
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Have you tried speaking with a supervisor at the DO to tell them what happened?
 
sd400 said:
The government of this country is very inefficient and bureaucratic. The officials are lazy and stupid (especially those in the federal government, they use this opportunity to get their revenges out)


The system of this country is there to protect the bad people, not the law-abiding people.

Illegals can work without paying taxes, get medical care for free, have babies for free.
US citizens have to pay taxes, fat medical bills to pay and all the responsibilities.

Legal syste, also protect bad people rather than the good people. They rather let the victims suffer rather than punishing the law breakers. Stupid Country indeed!!
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sd400 said:
Although people will say immigration law is the same everywhere you go in the US, but we know that that is NOT true. With different asshocers, your case will turn out totally different despite there are all these so-called imigration laws. People with authority are always abusive no matter how great they think they are. The USA is definitely NOT a democratic society, in fact, it is very totalitarian rule.

Voting does NOT equal to democracy,otherwise Bush Jr would not had won the election back in 2000, popular vote was not taken in consideration, but his brother in Florida helped him to be the president.
Although new immigrants are going through social and legal injustice eveyday, they called it is a democratic society just because you can (ONLY if you are citizen) put that piece of paper in a box.

What have caused this discrepancy between reality and fantacy--- the evil media. They have toxicated people all over the world about the deceptive image about the USA (Ugly&Stupid Assholes)
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If you have a complaint about the system then take it up with government officials instead of lashing out with rhetoric on this board.
 
Bobsmyth said:
If you have a complaint about the system then take it up with government officials instead of lashing out with rhetoric on this board.
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Yeah, but the problem about this country is that everyone in the government is corrupted including but not limited to the government officials.

You think her supervisor is going to defend in favor of you or her employee? We all know how this game play in the government.

They never admit any wrongdoing even when you file the WOM, they dont even have the gut to go to court, they will just be sneaky about it. Nonetheless, it is always at the expenses of the applicants.

Let's speak some truthful words rather than harboring for evils.
 
sd400 said:
Yeah, but the problem about this country is that everyone in the government is corrupted including but not limited to the government officials.

You think her supervisor is going to defend in favor of you or her employee? We all know how this game play in the government.

They never admit any wrongdoing even when you file the WOM, they dont even have the gut to go to court, they will just be sneaky about it. Nonetheless, it is always at the expenses of the applicants.

Let's speak some truthful words rather than harboring for evils.
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I do not mind people lashing out on the board, but ... I disagree with your cynical judgement of people. There are numerous cases here of abused applicants, but then there are numerous cases of people whose cases have been set right by supervisors, judges or whatever...
 
sd400 said:
Yeah, but the problem about this country is that everyone in the government is corrupted including but not limited to the government officials.

You think her supervisor is going to defend in favor of you or her employee? We all know how this game play in the government.

They never admit any wrongdoing even when you file the WOM, they dont even have the gut to go to court, they will just be sneaky about it. Nonetheless, it is always at the expenses of the applicants.

Let's speak some truthful words rather than harboring for evils.
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Speaking to a supervisor or district director can have favorable results, as some posters have demonstrated in the past. Nothing is gained by thinking that they are all corrupt.
 
sd400 said:
The government of this country is very inefficient and bureaucratic. The officials are lazy and stupid (especially those in the federal government, they use this opportunity to get their revenges out)


The system of this country is there to protect the bad people, not the law-abiding people.

Illegals can work without paying taxes, get medical care for free, have babies for free.
US citizens have to pay taxes, fat medical bills to pay and all the responsibilities.

Legal syste, also protect bad people rather than the good people. They rather let the victims suffer rather than punishing the law breakers. Stupid Country indeed!!
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What is your problem? Do you owe child support or IRS owes $$$?
 
ccczzzzz said:
I just got my N-400 denied because my "lack of good moral character". The immigration officer told me at our interview that I will receive my oath letter as long as I go deregister myself from being a voter within 30 days after the interview and send her the original documents to prove that. So I did exact what she said, and got a letter six weeks later that denied my N-400 application for "lack of good moral characters"!!! The reason for this it is because they said the documents I provided are computer printouts, but "computer printouts" are exact what I received at the Registrar of Voters office when I deregistered.
I'm being punished (maybe "insult" is a better word?) for telling the truth at the first place by check "yes" on the N-400 application where they asked "did you ever registered to vote" (this is obviously a very common mistake a lot of immigrants make, that's why they have a specific question for it. I don't know why the government doesn't do anything to prevent this issue). Than they denied my N-400 after I sent in the "original" documents like they asked me to.
My question to immigration and the government is that.............How you guys expect good moral characters from people when you punish them for telling the truth????? I paid my taxes, I registered for selective services, and I obeyed the law, but Noooooioooo, I can't register to vote even though it's a mistake caused by the government (DMV) at the first place. I contribute to the United States as much as most of the citizens in this country, and it seems like it is the only thing the government wants me to do.

Also, the postal office delayed the denial letter from immigration for a month. So I actually got the letter over a month after immigration send it out!!! I have entirely lost my confidents in all the government agencies except the IRS.
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My friend: I hear and feel your pain. however, in the usa they don't really care about who you are and how nice you are...they have rules and they try to go by it...in your case I don't really see any corruption on the part of the government.
you made a simply mistake by registering to vote. To register to vote while not a citizen is a pretty serious matter in the eyes of the government...

Now I think you need to work through the system....see supervisor with the proper documentation,,,appeal...

good luck
 
This country never invited anybody, if you have problem, leave and go to a better one.
I am here because I love this country.
 
If they want to enforce the law to the fullest extent, they can deport you for registering to vote (unless it is in a jurisdiction that allows noncitizens to vote in local elections). So even though it may have been a jackass move for denying you because it was a mere computer printout, they still didn't have to approve you at all no matter what evidence of deregistration you provided. So I don't know if your odds in appeal are good. Appealing could even lead them to initiate deportation.
 
Thank you for all the people who responded to my post, the reason I'm telling my story is so that everybody can be aware about this issue. I registered to vote because the people at my local DMV gave me the voter application along with the driver's license application and told me to fill them out, and I did exactly what the government employee told me to do. I already send in my N-336 with a $605 check, and I'm also contacting my congressman at this time. I might get a lawyer if I feel neccessary, I will get what I deserved.
 
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I am in a somewhat similar situation (see http://forums.immigration.com/showt...0-interview-coming-soon&p=2179608#post2179608) and haven't had my interview yet. I have researched this issue and consulted with a lawyer and wanted to clarify something you said, Jackolantern:

Jackolantern said:
If they want to enforce the law to the fullest extent, they can deport you for registering to vote (unless it is in a jurisdiction that allows noncitizens to vote in local elections).
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The mere fact of registering to vote is not actually a violation of law. There are two legal issues here:

1) A false claim of U.S. citizenship is a deportable offense
2) If a person has actually voted in an election that requires the voter to be a USC, this is also a deportable offense--regardless of the claim of USC!!

If the OP did not claim to be a USC and did not vote in any elections, I think he stands a good chance on his appeal. The trick is proving that he did not claim USC status to register. I was erroneously sent a voter registration by the DMV/city clerk in another state in 2005, but I did not sign anything that stated I was a USC. In fact, I enclosed documentation with my N-400, but I checked No to the question, "Have you ever voted or registered to vote," since I did not voluntarily do so! The lawyer seemed to think I was on the right track. I will post an update after my interview and let you all know whether I run into any real trouble with this...

Now if the OP actually signed a statement he was a USC, this would significantly complicate the issue. Then it's the DMV's word against OP's as to whether he meant to claim USC status. However, the OP could argue that the DMV did not properly explain the process and that he did not realize he needed to be a USC to register to vote. Also, he might claim he was not aware of the law that one had to be a USC at the time of applying for voter registration. (By the way, I am not suggesting that the OP lie to USCIS, just pointing out ways to explain these potential situations.)

Also, if the OP had actually voted in a federal election (or any other requiring USC status), he would be deportable based on that alone, aside from any false USC claims. I know this is not the case, just clarifying another possibility in such situations.

Other forums online have some information on this:

N-400 denied due to voter registration (http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/naturalization-citizenship/18537-n-400-denied-need-advice.html)

Voting before becoming a USC (http://www.immigration-information....8239-voting-before-becoming-a-us-citizen.html)

There was also a post on murthyforum.atinfopop.com that seems to have disappeared; I have attached it. I have also attached a 2002 USCIS Field Operations internal memo regarding voting and false USC claims... happy reading!!! :D
 
thanks goldin03, i never voted. And the immigration officer said I will receive my oath letter after I deregister. I think the reason I got denied is because they are not satisfied with the proof of my deregistration.
 
Thanks, Jackolantern! I agree that most cases of voter registration would involve a claim to be a USC (even if such a claim is made erroneously). I just wanted to clarify that the act of voter registration per se does not have legal repercussions; it is the false USC claim and/or actually voting in a USC-only election that triggers immigration legal consequences. However, voter registration by an LPR obviously indicates possible wrongdoing, hence the question on the N-400.
 
You're quite welcome, ccczzzzz! :D I agree with Bobsmyth's advice to go see someone at the DO (perhaps the District Director) to check if this can be resolved outside the appeals process. Good luck/God bless as you pursue this further!

ccczzzzz said:
thanks goldin03, i never voted. And the immigration officer said I will receive my oath letter after I deregister. I think the reason I got denied is because they are not satisfied with the proof of my deregistration.
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sd400 said:
To all the ********...!
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People come to this forum for practical help and advice and for exchange of information, not to hear insults and raving.
If you can't keep you temper under control, please stop posting in this forum and take you anger and bitterness somewhere else.
You posts, like the one above are disruptive rather than helpful.
 
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baikal3 said:
People come to this forum for practical help and advice and for exchange of information, not to hear insults and raving.
If you can't keep you temper under control, please stop posting in this forum and take you anger and bitterness somewhere else.
You posts, like the one above are disruptive rather than helpful.
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There are so many people say they like this country, so great ,blahblah.....
Dont forget!! When you become a US citizen, you have agreed to defend the US Constitution (I wonder how those people pass their civic tests)

Here is the First Amendment regarding Religion and Expression:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So if you think this government is not corrupted, then act accordingly. Don't be a Hypocrite! No one has the right to judge another person's speech.
 
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