Lost old passport

As I said before - very.

They didn't in the past, but that has changed.

Just see my passanger manifest example and that just that, an example.
Upon leaving the country, they have your ticket information that is matched with your Passport. If there is a miss-match, the airline calls the nice people with the copper batches over.
 
MartinAub said:
Just see my passanger manifest example and that just that, an example.
Upon leaving the country, they have your ticket information that is matched with your Passport. If there is a miss-match, the airline calls the nice people with the copper batches over.
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The issue we raised here is not about matching ticekt with passport but
about matching ticket/passport with A# so that they can enter one's departure into that person's immigration file
which USCIS can easily pull at any time later for use such as verify your trip you put down on N-400
 
It's a known fact that airlines are required to collect passenger information including passport data and submit it to DHS for international flights.
Also, for land travel it is a known fact that your license plate is scanned at POE, as well as your passport.
During your background check, IBIS has access to CBP and DHS entry/exit records. You'd be surprised how much information is collected on you in a seamless manner. There are other ways to relate entry/exit data other than by A# (name, dob, address).
 
Dude,

you have to give your GC at departure - how often do you travel?
Otherwise the agent asks you for your I94W or visa.

If you do not present any of which applies to you, you obtained it by fraud and thus are in deep shit.

...and they will find out.
 
Guys, I guess the point here is can USCIS or DHS reply upon the data provided by airlines.

For example, Ii went out of US last month and even after me asking to enter my GC details in the system, the airline personnel said no need to. just looked at my GC, never entered anything in the system.

about 2 months back I was headed to India and I had my boarding passes issued and had to cancel my trip, t hat time they had entered my GC details in the system. Later when I called airline asking for refund of my ticket their system showed my flown on all segments since boarding passes had been issued.


The point I am trying to make is since there is no US Govt. authority collecting the data upton exit, it can never be fool proof.
 
Did airline ask for your passport? Usually they just scan your passport at the check in desk and provide the flight manifest to DHS.
 
Wow, what a lot of responses, and thanks to everyone. My old passport expired July 2008, it was an old style passport and was not machine readable. It was always stamped on arrival back in the USA and holds all the original visa and advanced paroles stamps etc. My green card was always scanned on arrival back in the U.S. and always asked for by the airlines.

My old passport was hardly ever even stamped on arrival in other countries.

I did receive my old passport back (stamped cancelled) along with my new one. I did transfer the dates on the old one onto my N400, but as I said a lot of countries do not stamp passports anymore, particularly in Europe. As I wasn't out of the U.S. for long periods of time I could recall from memory where and when I travelled. In hindsight I should have kept the old passport, but it never occured to me that they ask for it. It may turn up but its like old credit cards you cut them in half and toss them away.

Personally, I think it will be okay, what can I do? - I am certainly not hiding my periods out of the U.S. - I am well within the permitted limits.

Thanks again for all the feedback - very interesting!
 
Hmmmm!

If USCIS has a list of all our comings and goings why don't they just print the thing out instead of having us make our own list?

What if the IO questions your trips? Maybe he will say you have broken residence, how can you counter without any evidence?

J.C. seems to think the passport is important in his sticky-

[2] Passport: It's required mainly to verify applicant's absence from the United States as it contains the record of ALL the trips that an applicant has taken outside the United States which could determine applicant's eligibility for naturalization as to his/her continuous presence in the United States. And it's also required to verify applicant's citizenship/nationality. Officer does retains the right to ask for it as it is relevant to the information on the application. Plus, it's also used to establish applicant's identity which is very important at the time of naturalization. You should bring all the passports (even the expired ones) that you might have carried. Also, it is better to take the photocopy of the first page of the passport wherein biodata is as it has been noticed that some people are recently asked for it. If a passport is recently expired, then it is not a problem because adjudication officers like to see the passport to verify the trips taken outside the US than the validity of the passport.

I agree an expired passport is not always required but to say it (or some other evidence of travel) is a non issue or will never be requested is wrong.
 
McTavish,

no one said that you shouldn't have evidence of travel - I always did (and kept) e-tickets or the booking. Thus that wasn't an issue. The point I made is that a passport is at best unreliable. i.e. I never get a stamp as EU citizen when going to Europe, so what's the use? Could possible have the return stamp, but that's it.

As with most other questions on the N-400, it is about honesty. If you make a false statement, you are in the box (not only true for travel) and if you knowingly lie then you are in deep sh*t.
 
McTavish said:
OK so to change my query, suppose the IO wants to verify travel, and the intrviewee says that they just got a new passport can't find the old one so cannot verify.
Wouldn't the IO be just a little suspicous?
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This was post #7 on this thread and everybody said, No you don't need your passport because big brother is watching you.

My whole point was if you don't have the passport you need to have something

MartinAub said:
McTavish,

no one said that you shouldn't have evidence of travel - I always did (and kept) e-tickets or the booking. Thus that wasn't an issue. The point I made is that a passport is at best unreliable. i.e. I never get a stamp as EU citizen when going to Europe, so what's the use? Could possible have the return stamp, but that's it.

As with most other questions on the N-400, it is about honesty. If you make a false statement, you are in the box (not only true for travel) and if you knowingly lie then you are in deep sh*t.
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If I had had extended trips out of the country I would surely "lose" my passport before applying for citizenship.

You would be a fool to show up for interview without some means of proving what you claim.

Anyway Martin seems we have almost landed on the same page :)
 
Nope, that's why you raise your right hand and say "I do".

Some things you have records off, others you simply don't.
 
To add to this, I had all my tickets and bookings (including changes) with me at the interview as well as all passports.

IO didn't even care taking a look.

But then I am German, I still have my very first pay stub ever.
 
McTavish said:
So you don't believe that you may be required to provide proof of what you state on your N400 and swear under oath is true at your interview?:confused:
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We need to differentiate between travel records and everything else. I simply don't have the records for my travel in 2004, as back then I used an INS/USCIS Travel Document which you're supposed to return once you apply for a new one. I didn't think of it at the time to scan the passport pages, so I just sent it back when I applied for a new one. The INS/USCIS has that travel document. They can verify the travel dates, if they so wish.

I don't think I need to have every single passport ever issued to me because certain countries simply take it back and never return it to you when you get a new one. If they ask for proof for that 2004 trip, I'll tell them I sent back the document, as per their instructions.
 
What if he doesn't believe you because the all seeing computer says something different?

I'm not saying that everyone will need to produce travel evidence, but it is wrong to say it will not be required.
 
McTavish said:
What if he doesn't believe you because the all seeing computer says something different?

I'm not saying that everyone will need to produce travel evidence, but it is wrong to say it will not be required.
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How can the computer say something different? I know the exact dates, I just don't have the travel document that I used (which only has one stamp anyway, when I returned to the US).
 
That's why you say "so help me God"

Can just do it like any Republican and say - it as "that" guy.

Evidence is NOT required - show me the paragraph.
 
Yeah, he can ask all he wants, but if I don't have it, I simply don't and he's gotta take my word for it.

If it would say "You need to present proof of all your travels in the past .... years" I would be on your side, just it doesn't say that.

As we know you need to keep tax records for 7 years, so that is a clear case where you are required by law to keep the stuff, nothing like that exists for travel.
 
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