List all the Nick Mandallapas of World, so we can take action against them.

I am not joking about 2.1 million

Read from the official site

http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/articles/060113newark.pdf

Authorities said:

Agents believe that at least $2.1 million dollars came from fees paid by individuals seeking fraudulent benefits. Since the accounts were used to hide those illegal profits the government seized all money in the accounts. ​


There should be definitely lot of desi companies doing this shit business...it seems Nick wanted to become "MILLIONIRE" in a min.......see the craziness of GC without an appropriate way .... Bribing somebody is also crime...that's what Immi Auth are after them...
 
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Nice thread, we should keep this thread alive and update the shit empoyers names and addressess. Its sometimes so frustating that i feel like going back.. I aslo feel like kick my current employers ass and join another company, These guys have to pay the price for sucking our blood ( not blood eating our shit). I some times feel its like a bonded labor. All the Laws are favourable to Employers, Hope god punish people like Naredra M... I forgot his last name.... the only solution is removing the Labor substitution
 
Yes saras76 has rightly said “The system is broken .. it is unfair “
I am also against “substitute labor” but I do not blame desi companies for it & I do NOT think they are doing wrong by selling it. WHY ? Read on…
(By the way I also did not take substitute labor & I regret it. WHY ? Read on… )

First why I do not blame desi companies for it :-
We all know the value of anything depends on it’s demand.
Now who created this “substitute labor” in first place ?
Was it the desi companies ? NO . Was it the system ? YES
So the system produced the “substitute labor” & then the system promoted it/created a demand for it by delaying labor approvals so much so that it became a big time business.
(people wanted approved labor so that they could do concurrent filing & get EAD/GC soon - because that is how system works)

Why I do NOT think they are doing wrong by selling it :-
Someone had mentioned “shortcut method does give lot of leaverage around and makes one more finiancially sound... to some extent. But don't you think, one is only trying to kill a good system in place”
Yes agreed the system is good but it is good in many things & one of the things is fucking up your career.
So a person who has joined the party has 2 options
1) Let the system go on fucking up your career.
2) Take a shortcut (provided by the system) & get out of it.

So another way of looking at it - desi companies helped those whose careers were getting f**** up on mutual beneficial terms. People who used substitute labor protected their career from getting further f***** up. Some see half glass empty , some see half glass full – it is just different ways of looking at the same thing.

Some FACTS for people who are not aware of history :-
There are people from NY/NJ/MD who filed labor under EB3 in 2001/2002 & got labor approvals in last quarter of 2005 i.e it took 3.5 – 4 yrs to get labor approved & now the system says WAIT for I-485. So they filed in 2001/2002 & today they just have approved labor in hand.
There are also guys who applied for labor (not substitute labor ) in 2001/2002 from neighboring states like PA/DE/MA , got approvals in 3 – 4 months , then did concurrent filing (I-140/I-485) , got EAD in another 4 – 5 months i.e total 7- 9
months to get EAD & in 1.5 – 2 yrs got GC)

In short now we have people who applied in early 2004 or even mid of 2004 & have either got GC or have EAD & have completed all formalities like fingerprinting/interview etc & are just waiting for GC numbers to become available. On the other hand we have people from 2001/2002 who still have just approved labor in hand & are completely fucked up & the system wants to further fuck them up - “WELCOME TO THE SYSTEM PARTY”
 
h1b_prisoner said:
First why I do not blame desi companies for it :-
We all know the value of anything depends on it’s demand.
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Hmmm wonder why Bill Gates did not get this ....

I am Glad that you did not get into this filth of sub labor, from a desi company for a tidy sum ......

You know : Most of the substitution labor that people buy --- are issued against GHOST names... The orginal guy does not exist at all... As much as 80% of such labor are dud.

If the USCIS finds out about this --- at any point of time -- even if U have got the GC --- they will revoke it....

Demand does not mean that U do wrong things to make money.. Desi companies has made every Indian shamefull... we would loose trust of people ... we will never melt into this great melting pot.
 
Green Card system has to be corrected!!!

I agree with all your postings - which are interesting to read and know about everyone's opinion. Why can't USA follow UK's Highly Skilled Migration Programme" like, then all these shit will go away....or issue Green Cards to the candidates who are professional and who pay more taxes.

Anyway the Narendra want to help candidates in getting GC for all his employees - this sentence was from one of his email. When I read this sentence I was happy, but his intensions were different. He do not want help his employees in getting Green Cards but want to make their lives miserable.

Even after loosing time, money (filing fees, medical, etc), USCIS is not atleast considering to get back to status, who used EAD's or do not have any remaining time on their H1. How the candidates can leave from USA after buying vehicle(s), house(s), childrens education. He kept whole families of his employees in miserable condition one or the other means. He should be get punished and need to pay for it to all his employees.

What I want to make a decision in future to come to USA, where all these kind of fradulent activities took place for immigrants.
 
r u victim of CYber?
i also opened Motic but no information,
how you know that your case went to local district office?
can you share that info?

need_info1 said:
I agree with all your postings - which are interesting to read and know about everyone's opinion. Why can't USA follow UK's Highly Skilled Migration Programme" like, then all these shit will go away....or issue Green Cards to the candidates who are professional and who pay more taxes.

Anyway the Narendra want to help candidates in getting GC for all his employees - this sentence was from one of his email. When I read this sentence I was happy, but his intensions were different. He do not want help his employees in getting Green Cards but want to make their lives miserable.

Even after loosing time, money (filing fees, medical, etc), USCIS is not atleast considering to get back to status, who used EAD's or do not have any remaining time on their H1. How the candidates can leave from USA after buying vehicle(s), house(s), childrens education. He kept whole families of his employees in miserable condition one or the other means. He should be get punished and need to pay for it to all his employees.

What I want to make a decision in future to come to USA, where all these kind of fradulent activities took place for immigrants.
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Nadi said:
You know : Most of the substitution labor that people buy --- are issued against GHOST names... The orginal guy does not exist at all... As much as 80% of such labor are dud.

If the USCIS finds out about this --- at any point of time -- even if U have got the GC --- they will revoke it....

Demand does not mean that U do wrong things to make money.. Desi companies has made every Indian shamefull... we would loose trust of people ... we will never melt into this great melting pot.
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I agree & there are no two opinions about it, if a company/person creates false labor then that company/person is to be blamed & such people need to be punished.
But i was talking about genuine substitute labor.
what if the substitute labor is genuine ? who is to be blamed then ?
 
Nadi said:
Hmmm wonder why Bill Gates did not get this ....
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"We all know the value of anything depends on it’s demand. " => Here is an elaboration :)
People used to run after substitue labor (i.e it was in demand) in 2002 - 2004 so that they could do concurrent filing & get EAD as normal labor approval was taking years.
Now In 2005 PERM was introduced , where labor approvals take 1 or 2 months, so far so good. BUT they stopped concurrent filing so people again started running after approved labor this time because they need old priority date to file I-485.
So it was in demand then & it is in demand now - the system has not eliminated that demand.
(If they had introduced PERM then or if they open concurrent filing now - the demand for approved labor is reduced if not eliminated.)
 
If you don't like to be exploited by your employer, then find another one.
If you don't like using subs. labor, then don't use that. why u r making so much fuss. I chose not to use substitute labor, because I refused to take lower salary.
Few of us wanted to take the short cut, and it did not work the way they had expected, and now they are disappointed. How can anyone sell you substitute labor, if you don't pay them. It were only guys like us, who wanted to use Substitute labor, and I believe, will still be ready to use them.

There is so much said things about the employers, but what about the guys, who actually work with such employers for whatever reasons.
 
So how would it sound if there is a statuary warning given out by "DOL" saying that if any person buys substitute labor and is caught will be put in prison will people go for it? People are aware that drunken driving is a serious offence, and public is strictly warned not to do. Shoplifting is a serious crime too. People are warned of the consequences. But why not warn against purchasing substituted labor? I don't think they want to warn. They don't care. Nick mandallapa was caught only because he advertised in Sulekha and it became public and action has to be taken
 
First, I would like to thank and congrats ICE, DOL, USCIS for their effort on this arrest of the bad guy.

Here somebody is started justifying labor. sub and supporting desi companies. This is rediculus. There is no legitimate lab. sub. All the lab.sub by the consulting companies are fraud.

The people are talking about lab sub without understanding the concept of labor certification. The LC was given based on failure of recruitment effort by US employer to find a U.S person for a "bonafide" position. It is not mearly for any one immigration.

First of all, in almost all desi consulting companies, there is no bonafide, full time, permanent position. All of us know how the consultiong company works, I mean employer-employee relationship. Most of employees joins the consulting company with some projects and pays the company some % of his/her hourly billing rate. Most of the employees need "consulting employer" to maintain legal status in US. This is OK in H-1B concept as the job is temporary. However it is not OK in GC point of view. Therefore most of the consulting companies practically not qualifies for sponsering GC.

Coming to the point of labor subsitution. It is a total fraud and abusing the system.

If a foreign worker (A) leaves in between the immigration process, employer subsitutes another worker (B). Now the question comes, how did the employer find the guy B to susitute A? Is it thro open recruitment effort? Is that posion is open to all (mainly for U.S workers)? Have they done enough recruitment effort? I 100% that say all the labor subsitution does not follow the rule. In all consulting companies if person A leaves the job also gone. But LC remains. Then it comes to black market. The solution for this is to completly remove Lab subsitution concept. Also, USCIS has to control or very very careful in issuing GC for desi consulting companies, as most of them or most of the jobs in desi consulting companies does not qulalify for GC sponsership.
 
If no body will complain then from where complain will come. you do your part. atleast you will have peace, you did your part. BRAVO!!!

asnssf said:
I feel that One Man Army company CEOs with western nick name, like Mike, Nick, Pete, and Andy who want to hide their original Indian identity are most likely to do this kind of fradulant activity. I might be wrong.

I have warned my friends who dealt with nick name Directors and CEOs. Most of my friends don't even know their CEO's original name since another HR person (mostly a relative to the NICK name CEO) used to sign all the papers and cheques. All of my predictions were true.

After landing USA, When a candidate realize the reality of that dummy desi companies, they have no other option other than telling 'bye bye' after filing labour. Couple of months/years later labour gets approved. Thats how these companies get approved labour. And again they target unfortunate people and ask for 10-15K from them for the labour. Most of the time this money will be deducted every month from the salary leaving 50K or 60K to the W2.

Very few people might have got GC by this effort. Others end up in forums like this posting questions like 'I applied for 140, my company is shutdown; or My 485 is pending. My boss is absconded; or I fear that my labour is used for somebody else;' like that.

For many desi Nick name CEOs, 'Benz SUV and Million dollar bank balance' honeymoon doesn't last long. Mostly they are with expired visas and will escape to home place after getting 200K-500K bail.

The affected H1 guy transfers his visa to another good company. None of his friends/relatives will listen to him when he asked them to not to pay money to file H1 or labour. Oneday they call from the Airport saying that 'they just landed in the land of opportunities' or 'They are leaving the country for good'.
This is a cycle.

FBI doesn't involve in cases unless the total amount of the crime is above 5Million. FBIs involvement is required to bring people from off the coast and to prosecute. I hope even if Mandalapa gets escaped, he will be brought back because of the money involved and the type of crime.

I don't think other small chotta CEOs dealing with 1M or 2M will be brought to justice even if we complain to USCIS. They have enough things to worry about.
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http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/articles/060113newark.pdf

Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
January 13, 2006
News Release
NEWARK ICE AGENTS SEIZE $5.7 MILLION & LUXURY VEHICLES IN MASSIVE BENEFITS FRAUD INVESTIGATION
Investigation Result of Ongoing Cooperation Between Benefits and Enforcement Arms of Homeland Security
NEWARK, N.J. -- A citizen of India living in New Jersey is in federal custody and agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have seized $5,724,592 in assets from the suspect’s bank and brokerage accounts in a massive immigration benefits fraud investigation.
Narendra Mandalapa has been charged with Fraud and Misuse of Visas, violations of 18 USC Section 1546. The charges were filed in United States District Court in Newark. Mandalapa is currently in the custody of the United States Marshals Service.
During the investigation, ICE agents discovered that Mandalapa filed nearly 1,000 possibly fraudulent labor-based petitions on behalf of Indian and Pakistani nationals seeking to enter or remain in the United States. The petitions were for skilled computer workers. Both U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS) and ICE continue to investigate those aliens who received the fraudulent immigration benefits. Investigators are also working to determine how many people fraudulently entered the country and how many already in the United States may have received fraudulent labor benefits.
This investigation is a product of a joint anti-fraud initiative undertaken by ICE, USCIS and the Department of Labor’s Office of the Inspector General. The investigation began when a special fraud detection unit of USCIS uncovered a pattern of fraud in petitions for immigration benefits submitted by Mandalapa through one of his companies. The USCIS Fraud Detection Unit in St. Albans, Vermont, referred their analysis to the ICE Benefit Fraud Unit (IBFU), also based in Vermont. The IBFU then coordinated with ICE Special Agent in Charge in Newark to begin the field investigation that resulted in the arrest and asset seizure. .
Investigators uncovered two shell companies in New Jersey owned by Mandalapa were created solely for the purpose of filing fraudulent labor-based petitions for foreign workers. During the investigation agents armed with search warrants seized computers and documents from the corporate address of Cybersoftec, Inc.
Agents believe that at least $2.1 million dollars came from fees paid by individuals seeking fraudulent benefits. Since the accounts were used to hide those illegal profits the government seized all money in the accounts. The assets seized come from four bank accounts in Edison, N.J., and two brokerage accounts in
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New York City. Also included in the seizures were a Mercedes SUV and a Lexus sedan with a combine value of $100,000.
Acting Newark Special Agent in Charge Thomas E. Manifase said, “Immigration benefit fraud is a multi billion dollar business and can not be tolerated. This type of fraud not only steals jobs from legitimate workers but it also provides individuals to illegally enter the United States and creates a risk to national security and public safety.”
Manifase pointed out that the investigation is an outstanding example of how two agencies in the Department of Homeland Security cooperate to uncover and dismantle an organization dedicated to undermining the legal immigration system and making huge profits.
Jennifer L. Mickey, Chief of the USCIS Fraud Detection Unit said, “Individuals who used fraud to obtain immigration benefits are breaking the law. We take very seriously our responsibility to protect the integrity of our immigration system by combating benefit fraud.” The USCIS Fraud Detection Unit, co-located at the USCIS Vermont Service Center, is a branch of the national USCIS Fraud Detection and National Security Unit.
# ICE #
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was established in March 2003 as the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security. ICE is comprised of four integrated divisions that form a 21st century law enforcement agency with broad responsibilities for a number of key homeland security priorities.
 
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If they really wanted to stop this ...

Guys and Gals,

They busted this Nick guy because they absolutely had to. It had become to apparent that he was cheating the system and they had to do something. If they really want to stop this fraud then they should stop Labor Substituion. Do you think this will happen? ABSOLUTELY NOT. This is because the US Corporate lobby in DC will not let this happen. All I am hoping for out of this is that a lot of desi companies will get scared and stop abusing the system.

I think we should report them to the authorities if we find something. These guys have made our lives miserable and have made a bad system worse. I also agree with an earlier post that put the blame on people who pay for sub labor. They are encouraging this fradulent behavior. I understand that they are desperate but what they don't understand is that they are breaking the law and run the risk of serious jail time and deportation if they mingle with likes of the Nick Mandalappas of the world.

regards,

saras76
 
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Well, the best thing would be to give a strict statuary warning to immigrants not to choose these methods or they face grave consequences. We cannot stop people selling cigarettes, we cannot stop people selling drugs, we cannot stop people selling substituted labor, but we can definitely warn people buying substituted labor. Why do people buy substituted labor? They make a mockery of the legal immigration system. They laugh at us by moving ahead. Those who buy these labors are losers. They get Green cards and sit on top of us as managers and create havoc.
 
Throwing one more stone in the pond...

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How can I prove that Saman asked for 3K + visa filing fees when I called him enquiring about this mail to my bro-in-law?

I know that Cyber folks were forced to move their discussions to yahoo groups since their posts with company name and persons name were deleted by Mods. :( on 2005 Apr-Oct. At that sametime Path2Usa posted Nick Mandalappa's anwsers to some of the forum members questions. Even then Cyber folks created their own their thread with 'Nick' names and maintained their discussion.

1)Would Nick have got arrested earlier than 2006 Jan 13, if Mods allowed to continue Cyber folks discussion freely without any deletion ?
2)Since this forum is more famous than any other forums among Legal immigrant community, Nick would have earned less than 5.7M ?
3)And fewer 250s might have affected as Nick said in Path2Usa than 1000s as mentioned by USCIS ?

I feel, discussions like this need more cooperation from the Mods and Admins alongwith the tracker. Otherwise there won't be any diffrence between this forum and Cricket score discussions.
 
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Big Corporations using Sub Labour

Just to continue, the above discussion, if the big corporations use the sub labour to attract new employees to their company, would that constitute fraud. I have heard of people joining one of the big oil companies getting a pre approved labour. There is no money involved. But the big company is attracting talent by offering pre approved labour. your thoughts.
 
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