Journey over - happy to share my experience

[qili]

better still let my lawyer deal with USCIS..

you certainly have that option, and better yet you probably should hire a few top immigration and litigation lawyers on your side, just to have different perspective.

What? you think that's too expensive?

Well, here comes the reality. No matter how good your lawyers are, they are providing you nothing but their interpretation of the law. That is, there is a degree of subjectivity in it. As subjectivity goes, sometimes they will get it wrong (as in different from what the court would have ruled).

Lawyers are hired guns. As such, they work for you because you pay them. All they care is that payment from you. You are the only one in the entire world who truly cares about you.

So you shouldn't let your hired gun handle this entire fair for you. Instead, you should do your homework and make sure that your lawyers are nothing but advisors to you.

That's the point of my earlier post: trust but don't trust blindly.

 

[qili]

For definite answers, you should always ask a lawyer.

anyone can give a definitive answer. it is just that not everyone can get it right.

CIS can get even "simple procedural questions" wrong.

so does a lawyer; so does a damn good lawyer. Does that mean you shouldn't listen to their advice?

It is stupid to stop listening to someone simply because they can give you wrong answers.

the ins info line is nothing but a tool. Like they said, there is no stupid tools but stupid carpenter who doesn't know how to effectively use a tool.

the person got into a lot of trouble because she believed the CIS employee...

and that person will get into a lot of troubles, even if she has a lawyer, as long as she has the same mentality.

If I have a tax question, I would certainly hire a professional, i.e., a CPA.

even if that includes a simple question, like where to mail your return?

It is just common sense.

and common sense is something you are seriously lacking.

When you need surgery, you don't go to somebody who has read "how to do surgery in 24 hours"... Nor would you go to a Veterinarian.

it sure depends. I can find plenty of cases where you would have loved to have a vet or a total stranger to operate on you.

 

[brb2]

Astrix, I said "IF I had a problem... I would hire a lawyer." My point was that the help line is NOT manned by USCIS. Annecdotal evidence reported on this forum has been that wrong information has been provided by the contracted company workers on the USCIS help line .

Infopass or hiring lawyers may not be smart (wait-time or moneywise) for simple procedural questions that can be answered by CIS's front-line helpdesk staff.

Whom do you ask if not CIS?
Care to eloborate on your contact with CIS?
Why even bother to visit this forum if you have lawyers?

Similarly, do you hire Tax Pros as you don't trust IRS CSRs?

 

[qili]

My point was that the help line is NOT manned by USCIS.

nor is your lawyer. If your logic is that you don't trust anything not manned by the USCIS, by the same logic, you wouldn't trust a non-USCIS lawyer. And I can tell you any USCIS lawyer worth his 2 cents wouldn't advice you for sure - doing so will get him disbared.

Annecdotal evidence reported on this forum has been that wrong information has been provided by the contracted company workers on the USCIS help line .

the same is true with professional help as well.

Last night's ABC news had a survey of tax preparation professionals and the result is that a lot of them make mistakes. One example: HR Block got its own tax return wrong.

If you believe that lowly paid tax professionals don't get taxes right, think about the KPMG tax shelter scheme where KPMG's top tax accounting partners and a few of the nations best tax law firms got themselves into trouble with the IRS and DOJ.

If your threshold is that you only listen to people who make no mistakes, you will end us listening to no one.

 

[PacMan72]

Astrix, I said "IF I had a problem... I would hire a lawyer." My point was that the help line is NOT manned by USCIS. Annecdotal evidence reported on this forum has been that wrong information has been provided by the contracted company workers on the USCIS help line .

i rather get the wrong information from someone the INS claim as their customer service, at least i can argue that they gave me the wrong information, when it's personal lawyer, you are on your own.
that was my point form the 1st post.

 

[PacMan72]

And a lawyer knows the law. That's what they are trained to know. If a lawyer screws up, there is recourse. If somebody at the mis-information line gives you wrong information, there is no recourse. Arguing with "somebody at the information line gave me this information" is going to earn you a good laugh from the judge...
A lawyer giving you wrong information could lose his standing with the bar association, i.e., he could lose his job.
But our trolls here obviously prefer to follow the old saying "he who defends himself has a fool for a lawyer"...

why would the judge laugh ? i think the judge will laugh at the INS for putting uninformed people as customer service, because most of the applicants depend on them..not everybody is hiring a lawyer my friend.
what recourse you have when a lawyer screw up your applicatio n and you get deported ? a revenge ? great he'll lose his job, and you'll get deported...winner !

 

[qili]

And a lawyer knows the law. That's what they are trained to know. If a lawyer screws up, there is recourse.

Mr. Logic, can you make up your mind here, please? You first insisted that a lawyer knows the law (yeah, right!). then you proceed to assume that is not true ("if a lswyer screws up ...").

If you have to contradict yourself, do so in two different posts.

If somebody at the mis-information line gives you wrong information, there is no recourse.

well, per your own logic, the people at the info line is also trained to know. and if they screw up, there is recourse as well. The fact that you don't know doesn't mean there is none.

Arguing with "somebody at the information line gave me this information" is going to earn you a good laugh from the judge...

Looks like you are specializing in fortune-telling now.

But our trolls here obviously prefer to follow the old saying "he who defends himself has a fool for a lawyer"...

Sounds very much like that guy named JoeF.

 

[VS007]

Helping members for 5 years and yet...

JoeF has been helping and answering to many queries of the members and thats laudable. Regardless of whether one wants to report the driving tickets or not, it would not hurt doing so and many would like to play it safe. If you read the instructions, it says no further documentation needed to be sent for mere speeding tickets, it does not mean that you need not report it. Well its good news that many officials dont care for it whether you report or dont report it.

It does not serve anybody good to attack a member for his views, esp to a member who has helped so many others. Most of us come here, get help and move on, whereas JoeF has been around helping others. Instead of lauding him and praising him, we should not be questioning his motives, definitely everybody knows that this is not a paid service.

JoeF: There are many silent members who are grateful for your help, ignore those who like to argue for the sake of argument.

To the OP: Its sad that your thread got sidetracked, but do accept my Congratulations and Wish you all the best in your life!!!

 

[qili]

I can only suggest to put the people who post attacks into your ignore list.

you would be the first on that list, given the multiple attacks you routinely launch on others simply because they disagree with you.

 

[pravasi_indian1]

JoeF has been helping and answering to many queries of the members and thats laudable. Regardless of whether one wants to report the driving tickets or not, it would not hurt doing so and many would like to play it safe. If you read the instructions, it says no further documentation needed to be sent for mere speeding tickets, it does not mean that you need not report it. Well its good news that many officials dont care for it whether you report or dont report it.

It does not serve anybody good to attack a member for his views, esp to a member who has helped so many others. Most of us come here, get help and move on, whereas JoeF has been around helping others. Instead of lauding him and praising him, we should not be questioning his motives, definitely everybody knows that this is not a paid service.

JoeF: There are many silent members who are grateful for your help, ignore those who like to argue for the sake of argument.

To the OP: Its sad that your thread got sidetracked, but do accept my Congratulations and Wish you all the best in your life!!!

I disagree here. By giving good advice, one can not be entitled to disrespect others and just push his / her own agenda. I have been following this newsgroup for quite some time and I see lot of trashing by the member who thinks he knows it all. That does not show maturity. If the person was matured enough, he would stop responding to the so called attacks insted of continuing to provoke the attackers.

By the way, can we stop these attacks and counter attacks and focus the discussion of real issues around citizenship?

 

[PacMan72]

Where have I been disrespectful unless being attacked???
Where have I pushed my "own agenda"???
Please provide examples, or don't state such obvious untruths.

And if you would actually have bothered to check, I ignore most of the trolls, although they spread hatred. In other words, I am showing a lot of restraint.

read this thread form the beginnig, you were th one calling me names first...
i think you called a "fool"...from where i come..it's pretty personal attack

 

[qili]

Where have I been disrespectful unless being attacked???
Where have I pushed my "own agenda"???
Please provide examples, or don't state such obvious untruths.

who said the following?

not the clowns at the mis-information line.

some smarta**es thought ...

how stupid do you think people are???

You are naive and a lost cause.

just some examples in this very thread. Maybe you don't remember them?

Your behavior in other threads is far worse and your general lack of civil attitude towards people who disagree with you is well documented and widely experienced by members.

 

[qili]

LOL. Fact is, CIS has no obligation whatsoever under US law to tell you anything truthful.
As I said, you are naive...

Well, the fact is that you, JoeF, have no obligation whatsoever under US law to tell us anything truthful.

So per your own logic, why should we listen to an unemployed (unemployable?) lawyer-wannabe again?

 

[PacMan72]

Well, the fact is that you, JoeF, have no obligation whatsoever under US law to tell us anything truthful.

So per your own logic, why should we listen to an unemployed (unemployable?) lawyer-wannabe again?

JoeF is comical, the INS put the CIS to work..just to lie to people and confuse them...never to tell us the truth and see how many of us will get deported because of that...it's a game they are having...fun times.

 

[qili]

JoeF's problem is that he fails to realize that reasonable people can disagree and when that happens we will just have to agree to disagree.

Instead, he insists that his view is the only correct view and anyone not understanding that is sub human.

That would be OK if he were really that great an intellectual. Unfortunately, judging from his public behaviors and lack of ability to comprehend and reason, he is in no position to do that.