JIT now 5/15/02

I would love to have the JIT jet like a cruise missile. In this case, I could have legal teeth. Folks, don't moan on the fast pace of JIT, but rather moan on "approval date".

wac-02-272-5****
rd: 9/3/02
FP: 10/02

Silence from CSC ever since.
 
kadamtal said:
It is like "you tell kids to clean up their mess and they pick one here and there and say the job is done".

I would rather have it go slow and a job well done than go fast and leave the mess lying around.

Maybe we should consider joining in faxing Immigration subcommittee by joining in Project Cosmos....
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I DO NOT AGREE. DO YOU THINK OVER 2 YEAR BACKLOG IS FAST. SLOW OR SNAIL PROCESSING ALREADY AFFECTED ALL APPLICANTS. "NO SLOW...NO SLOW"
 
My comments are in reply to the pace of JIT not processing

JIT moves fast means nothings when nothing is done behind the scenes. It is the processing that i need to move fast and complete and not just the JIT with people still waiting...

kadamtal said:
It is like "you tell kids to clean up their mess and they pick one here and there and say the job is done".

I would rather have it go slow and a job well done than go fast and leave the mess lying around.

Maybe we should consider joining in faxing Immigration subcommittee by joining in Project Cosmos....
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I think CIS just add 1 month since they need to put something there. They just want to meet the 1 year promise by end of 9/30/2004.
 
CSC Liaison Meeting of May 26, 2004 (05-31-2004)

CSC emphasized the importance of not re-scheduling fingerprint appointments, as this will significantly delay the process. If an applicant misses two fingerprint appointments, the case may be denied.

The adjudication of I-485 cases may not be chronological in that fingerprints may have expired and need to be re-scheduled and the delay to obtain the third party agency checks.
 
What USCIS doing is just like fixing an old car by only painting the exterior instead of repairing engine and transmission. That pretty image is fooling everybody. The filers after JIT are thinking their time is coming soon. The filers before JIT are busy sending inquiring faxes with expectation that somebody should take care of them now. USCIS's new game got everyone but have itself released! Remember, they have all kinds of excuses to delay the case.
 
Stupid lcauser,

there are thousands of people in Jan/Feb/march who have done fingerprints second time in dec/jan, 2004 and cleared them( according to USCIS website) . Most of them are still waiting
 
desi-bartender said:
It is entirely possible that lot of cases are waiting security checks or further scrutiny. So what do you do when you are stalled on certain cases.

Till there is further info on previous cases you can start working on future
cases. And the old cases then get approved as an when data becomes
available.

And I am sure every case is different. I am now almost convinced about
USCIS argument that every case is different. So every case might be
treated differently. I would be surprised if they don't have multiple levels
of scrutiny. Certain cases might be very straightforward and might
need only first level of scrutiny.

Most people who engage their head before their mouth (140_takes_4ever's
fav line which he doesn't seem to understand himself) will only
know that this is an advantage to us. This gives us the leverage to
argue that our cases are due for processing. As opposed to having no
leverage with USCIS at all.
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Are you totally incapable of having a discusion with out getting personal?

Allow me to refute you on a couple of points that I think you missed:
1. Going by 50% approval numbers, are you trying to say that 50% of the people have anomalies in their cases? In which case there is either a problem in INS's criteria list for checking of anomalies or something wrong in your "assumption".
2. Going by your analogy of kids and thrash that you posted for Kadamtal, this is not a case of waiting for the checks to be completed, but a case where a majority of the people waiting, haven't even seen any kind of movement in their cases. I mean no FP/RFE or touch dates. That doesn't quite gell with your analogy of picking up all the thrash in one room and waiting for the garbage truck to come, instead gells more with picking up one toy and saying "I am done".
3. As far as date crossing the JIT and sending faxes, DO you really think it will help? All INS has to say is "hey your approval is pending security check". Which effectively means shut your mouth, and forget about your GC!

Get real with your assumptions. It is okay if you want to live in a pipedream, but if other people are truly concerned that INS is playing smoke and mirrors with us, then let them be. I for one, DONT believe that 50 % of the cases are different. I believe a number of us have the same background. Background checks and security checks are just excuses. Think how ridiculous they are, a terrorist with EAD/AP free to travel around the country waiting while INS takes this long to find out? I would say security checks should be instantanious. With the cost of processing power these days, invest more money in better computers and crunch the numbers damn it.
 
I totally agree with Desi-bartender that when the JIT Date moves, you get an oppurtunity to do atleast inquiry... whether it works for all cases or not ( Something better than nothing ). Tell me what is that we are all able to acheive when the JIT date was showing Dec 2001 for almost 15 months ??????
 
>> would say security checks should be instantanious. With the cost of processing power these days, invest more money in better computers and crunch the numbers damn it. <<

Amen 140_takes_4ever.
 
Chakazulu said:
I would love to have the JIT jet like a cruise missile. In this case, I could have legal teeth. Folks, don't moan on the fast pace of JIT, but rather moan on "approval date".
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You have NO legal teeth what so ever! Get real, INS can always throw the bogey man of security on you which means you have no case. Inspite the JIT crossing your date by 2 years or more. Take a look at sfbay_area_guys situation.

The best scenario for us is for the JIT to mean something. In which case, the lack of movement in the JIT is cause for the Congressmen and Senators not to mention the press breathing down INS's neck as compared to the JIT moving rapidly and numerous approvals being left behind.

Please understand the simple dynamics! And if you get the chance read the transcripts of the backlog lawsuit where you will see that INS is trying to break the class action motion by claiming that speeds vary for different applications and hence we have no commonality. What better way to prove that other than move the JIT at the speed of a light?
 
Guys, don't forget that CIS is still a disorganized government agency. It's the same people working on our cases now as there were 2 years ago. They have low salaries and they do stupid repetitive tasks all the time, and now they are being asked to speed up processing.
 
Sakthivel said:
I totally agree with Desi-bartender that when the JIT Date moves, you get an oppurtunity to do atleast inquiry... whether it works for all cases or not ( Something better than nothing ). Tell me what is that we are all able to acheive when the JIT date was showing Dec 2001 for almost 15 months ??????
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What we were able to achieve with the JIT date showing Dec 2001 was the MORAL RIGHT! WE could fax senators and congressmen and show them the injustice, which put pressure on INS. Otherwise why do you think INS is processing cases with such efficiency now? With the dates moving like this we have nothing, whereas INS has the best excuse in the world "security", we have no way to fight them. I was reading a transcript of some INS spokesman some time ago, which read "We do not appologise of the slow speed of processing because security concerns are of prime importance, nothing else matters".

Is the world going mad or is it just me? These things are so evident that I can't believe everyone doesn't see through INS and its machiavellian games.
 
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Well, it may not so bleak after all. Since we now have the option of initiating an inquiry if our case dates are more than 1 month older than the JIT date, we could start a new fight for the resolution of the inquiries within a reasonable period of time.

Ofcourse, I am assuming that they would have an obligation, legal or otherwise, to respond to an inquiry. The USCIS cannot let it just hang, since our inquiry started in the first place with USCIS's permission.
 
Moving the line is good but at the same time I don't understand the logic of approving 50% of the cases. It would have been good if they'd have generated an RFE for the remaining 50% or some status change online, so that atleast we'd know why some of us are being left out and we can send the necessary information.
But that's not the case now. They are just approving the cases which THEY THINK are 100% satisfactory and take care of the rest whenever they think it would be appropriate or they've time to do that.
Like may others who have not got there 2nd Fingerprint notice what should we do? Mine is April 02 case, WAC-02-173-xxxx and I've not even gotten 2nd Fingerprinting notice so only god knows if I'll be approved without getting fingerprinted 2nd time. What is security check got to do with 2nd Fingerprinting. I tried the idea of getting my address check but didn't work and now planning to send faxes again. :mad:
 
Chakazulu said:
I would love to have the JIT jet like a cruise missile. In this case, I could have legal teeth. .
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No Legal power whatsoever. You think INS would do things like this (JIT progress) if it knew we had legal power. They know they are not answerable
to anyone esp. with the security checks reason.
 
AC21A, Why do you want to call me *stupid*??? Please follow certain ethics before posting your comments......

I posted the CSC Liaison meeting update just to remind everyone about the CSC tactics... I am also in the same boat....


AC21A said:
Stupid lcauser,

there are thousands of people in Jan/Feb/march who have done fingerprints second time in dec/jan, 2004 and cleared them( according to USCIS website) . Most of them are still waiting
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Is JIT 5/15 or 4/15?

The USCIS site still says CSC JIT is 4/15; which report says that JIT is 5/15?
 
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