Is certified driver extract enough?

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vip1r

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I just checked my driver extract for NJ and it came back with 1 speeding ticket in 2007. I know it was in NY state. However, the online version does not have anything which shows that the ticket was paid. It does show that the 2 points that were given were taken off the subsequent year (between 100-200). Do I need anything more than the official version of the driver extract as proof of clean driving?

(The speeding occured somewhere in the middle of upstate ny while driving back from Toronto. The name of the town is not something I am likely to remember under any circumstances.)
 
If you mentioned your tickets in your N400, make sure to take a court disposition of it and/or fines paid receipt.
 
i am in the same boat, everyone in the forum convinced me to get the disposition papers, i got the abstract from thd dmv, found out the court i was convicted for speeding at send them a fax requestion disposition papers, and they sent it free of charge. i guess the abstract + the disposition papers will take care of it.
 
vip1r said:
I just checked my driver extract for NJ and it came back with 1 speeding ticket in 2007. I know it was in NY state. However, the online version does not have anything which shows that the ticket was paid. It does show that the 2 points that were given were taken off the subsequent year (between 100-200). Do I need anything more than the official version of the driver extract as proof of clean driving?

(The speeding occured somewhere in the middle of upstate ny while driving back from Toronto. The name of the town is not something I am likely to remember under any circumstances.)
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By USCIS instruction you do not even have to provide documnetation if the fine was below $ 500. So of course it is enough by USCIS standard. The
people only worry that tehy run into a peculiar IOs who demands more
against their own rule.
 
wantmygcnow said:
If you mentioned your tickets in your N400, make sure to take a court disposition of it and/or fines paid receipt.
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Did not mention it in my n-400. Was planning to take extract and tell the IO about the 1 minor speeding ticket and use the extract as documentation (even though, I know legally, I am allowed to not have documentation for <500 tickets).

I guess, I dont have much of a choice and will have to rely on the driver extract and roll the dice with a benevolent IO.
 
Same boat.

I too, got the certified abstract from NJ. I have an 'improper oper-hwys w/marked lanes' violation in 2001 (I remember, in a right only lane - I went straight). It shows 2 points and again 2 points credited after 1 year in 2002. Other than that, there was an accident, I was involved in (no fault of mine - no points or penalties) which says - 'involved in accident-police report'. I have the full police report from the accident which basically describes no fault of mine. but I don't have proof of payment for the 2001 violation. However, the certified driver abstract says at the bottom - 'Current Status - In good Standing'.

My question is - Isn't this enough? I mean, if I would not have paid fines, would I be in good standing? There is no way, I am going to find receipt, or even if I go to the court, to find record of my payment of fines at that time. I don't even remember what the fine was - my guess is it was about $60.
Please advice - experts.

Thanks.
 
Just called NJ DMV. Discussed this with them.

The lady confirmed that for each violation - they receive a copy of the receipt from the municipal court. Only then can you be in good standing.
I explained to her the purpose of me asking the receipt, she said, it is implicitly stated in the history, that you have paid all tickets, by virtue of the statement - you are in good standing. Further she explained to me that for each violation, they get a copy of the receipt from the corresponding municipal court.
If they don't get a copy of the receipt, they do not take away the points the next year.

Not sure if this is a good enough explanation to the IO.

In any case, I got the ticket number from her and she also gave me the phone number of the municipal court, if I wanted to get the receipt from them.

Hope this helps.
 
wannabe-n401 said:
Just called NJ DMV. Discussed this with them.

The lady confirmed that for each violation - they receive a copy of the receipt from the municipal court. Only then can you be in good standing.
I explained to her the purpose of me asking the receipt, she said, it is implicitly stated in the history, that you have paid all tickets, by virtue of the statement - you are in good standing. Further she explained to me that for each violation, they get a copy of the receipt from the corresponding municipal court.
If they don't get a copy of the receipt, they do not take away the points the next year.

Not sure if this is a good enough explanation to the IO.

In any case, I got the ticket number from her and she also gave me the phone number of the municipal court, if I wanted to get the receipt from them.

Hope this helps.
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Actually calling DMV is not worth it. I had gotten a ticket in 2001 to which DMV said don't worry since I have +8 on my license now... But i went to the court, who then sent me to the archives division and I finally got the disposition that it was paid.

So dig through and find out how you paid? Which county was it from? I am sure if you dig hard, you will find a clue and then try to get the court disposition.
 
wannabe-n401 said:
Other than that, there was an accident, I was involved in (no fault of mine - no points or penalties) which says - 'involved in accident-police report'. I have the full police report from the accident which basically describes no fault of mine.
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There is absolutely NO NEED to report the accident. While there are two different factions that will argue to the death over whether or not to report traffic tickets, I don't think there's a single person who will tell you to disclose a car accident on the N-400.
 
I think it is very unfair for the peopel who dislocse traffic tickets if
USCIS does not crack down upon nondislcosure of traffic tickets
 
WBH, I totally agree, but you see most of us do not want to get tangled in the web incase the IO we get is twisted. some IOs just think the whole point of them being at office is to reject or prolong the naturalization process, they have to understand that they are there to help us applicants too. I understand that its needless to mention tickets fined less than $500.00, but i wouldnt want to get the whole process proloned , or to take days off from work, or appeal, ending losing more money and time,incase its one of those days the IO is there after a fight with his wife and pissed and blowing off steam and unfortunately gets targeted at me.would i want to be the victim? NOPE ! so i would like to have some back up, and have my tracks covered and prepared for the worst.
 
sreeleshk said:
WBH, I totally agree, but you see most of us do not want to get tangled in the web incase the IO we get is twisted. some IOs just think the whole point of them being at office is to reject or prolong the naturalization process, they have to understand that they are there to help us applicants too. I understand that its needless to mention tickets fined less than $500.00, but i wouldnt want to get the whole process proloned , or to take days off from work, or appeal, ending losing more money and time,incase its one of those days the IO is there after a fight with his wife and pissed and blowing off steam and unfortunately gets targeted at me.would i want to be the victim? NOPE ! so i would like to have some back up, and have my tracks covered and prepared for the worst.
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That is my whole point. You have a chance to be in trouble simply because
you disclose traffic tickets in order to minimize trouble. If you do not disclose traffic titckets, the IO will not even know you had tickets before.

So those of us who disclose traffic tickets, once become citizens, should
calll senators and reps to urge them to pass laws to investiage nondislocseure of traffic tickets
 
I know I will change my mind about a 100 times between now and the interview date as to how I will proceed with this. But as of this moment, my decision is that if the IO asks me about traffic tickets, I will tell him about the 1 show the driver extract and then hope for the best. I dont know what else I can do to prove myself of "good moral character".

Unless specifically asked though, I dont plan to volunteer the information.

At this point I would do anything to get an Interview Date and move forward in the process. I hate checking this forum multiple times a day. I wish they would give me the interview date already.
 
vip1r said:
I know I will change my mind about a 100 times between now and the interview date as to how I will proceed with this. But as of this moment, my decision is that if the IO asks me about traffic tickets, I will tell him about the 1 show the driver extract and then hope for the best. I dont know what else I can do to prove myself of "good moral character".

Unless specifically asked though, I dont plan to volunteer the information.

At this point I would do anything to get an Interview Date and move forward in the process. I hate checking this forum multiple times a day. I wish they would give me the interview date already.
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They can't give you an interview date becuase your priority date is not current yet. Believe it or not but early walkin FP's dont work...YOu should have applied earlier if you wanted an earlier interview date..and expecting an interview date, 30 days from applying is kinda asking too much. The best someone can do is 70 days..so just chill!
 
WBH said:
So those of us who disclose traffic tickets, once become citizens, should
calll senators and reps to urge them to pass laws to investiage nondislocseure of traffic tickets
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WBH, I'm not sure whether or not you're actually being serious about this, but it'll never happen. Even if such a law did pass, the USCIS would have to contact every municipality in every state for every naturalization applicant as part of the background check, in order to investigate whether or not every applicant has ever had any traffic tickets there. Think about it...just because I live in New York, doesn't mean that 15 years ago I didn't drive through some small town in North Dakota and got a ticket for running a stop sign. I also highly doubt that the government will create a centralized database at the behest of USCIS to store records of every traffic ticket ever issued in the U.S. Simply put, it would be a logistical nightmare. Not gonna happen.
 
I think people need to look and read carefully. The N400 instructions never say anywhere that minor traffic tickets should not be listed. ALL they say is that NO DOCUMENATION Is required if the ticket is non DUI and less than 500.

It doesn't mean it SHOULDNT be listed! I have no clue why so much discussion on the tickets. YOu get your record, you list it and you provide any evidence if the officer asks. I dont think anything is wrong with disclosing it. Citation means CITATION! and you are taking Oath to tell the truth mind you!!!

You can cited for peeing in public or cited for driving to fast. BOth are citation. Nowhere it says DO not list traffic tickets.
 
wantmygcnow said:
I think people need to look and read carefully. The N400 instructions never say anywhere that minor traffic tickets should not be listed. ALL they say is that NO DOCUMENATION Is required if the ticket is non DUI and less than 500.

It doesn't mean it SHOULDNT be listed! I have no clue why so much discussion on the tickets. YOu get your record, you list it and you provide any evidence if the officer asks. I dont think anything is wrong with disclosing it. Citation means CITATION! and you are taking Oath to tell the truth mind you!!!

You can cited for peeing in public or cited for driving to fast. BOth are citation. Nowhere it says DO not list traffic tickets.
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Keep in mind that the oath letter specifically asks to disclose all citations, INCLUDING TRAFFIC TICKETS, whereas the N-400 does not. This is where the confusion comes from. Also (and please do not take offense to this comment), by your logic, parking tickets and speed camera tickets should be disclosed too, since they are also citations. The question is, where do you stop?
 
Any citation that involves point to your license should be listed in my opinion. The red light/parking tickets don't go towards your points as of yet. But whenever they do, they should be listed too.

Vorpal, no offense taken. Again it's my opinion. So people can do what's up to them but listing tickets won't do any harm and if you have done nothing wrong, why be scared? Everyone gets a ticket.

Actually I may be wrong but the reason they removed "excluding traffic" tickets from n400 was because people stopped listing DUIs and all since it came under "traffic"
 
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wantmygcnow said:
I think people need to look and read carefully. The N400 instructions never say anywhere that minor traffic tickets should not be listed.
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That is why I said it is not fair for those who disclosed it. Not only do
they disclose it, but they also need to go thru hassle of getting receipts,
court dispositions, and worry if some IOs make a big deal out of it.
If those who do not disclose traffic tickets get thru, then those who disclose it are honest for nothing.
 
WBH said:
That is why I said it is not fair for those who disclosed it. Not only do
they disclose it, but they also need to go thru hassle of getting receipts,
court dispositions, and worry if some IOs make a big deal out of it.
If those who do not disclose traffic tickets get thru, then those who disclose it are honest for nothing.
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Well some people don't worry about minor things whereas some do...just to be sure they don't have a reason against you. That's my thinking. I honestly believe that uscis doesn't care for minor traffic tickets, however, they have left themselves some wiggle room just in case they find a guy with 20 speeding tickets and he didn't disclose it.
 
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