These are generally visiting professors. The deal here is that they get paid by their home university (e.g. MIT) but do not have a permanent position. In some cases, there may be exceptions for lesser developed countries where the institute pays them, again these are visiting roles, and as Mangal pointed out, taking a permanent union or state post is against the intention of the legislation.umeshunni said:
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The OCI legislation - Citizenship Amendment Act 2003 7B(2)(i)basis said:
http://rajyasabha.nic.in/bills-ls-rs/2003/XXXIX_2003.pdf
PIO / OCI are basically foreign nationals of Indian origin. When you go to any hotels / guest house in India there is a register where alongwith all other details your nationality needs to be stated ( atleast that's what I remember).
Now what do you write there ? I am a desi so I dont have to make any effort to look like one and I have caught the accent / looks of westerners / easterners - so on the face no one would be able to tell that I have acquired foriegn citizenship. My question is more from what do people do in practice. And to know whether those registers kept in hotels are something one need to take seriously (from legal point of view) to write nationality etc details.
I am referring to http://www.immigrationindia.nic.in/registration_requirements.htm
Form To Be Filled Up By Foreigners Staying At Hotels :
Foreigners visiting India on Tourist Visa and not staying continuously for more than six months in India, are not required to register themselves. However, all foreigners including even tourists and others who are not required to register, are required to fill up a form called Form-C (Rule-14, Registration of Foreigners Rules, 1992) at the time of their stay in any hotel (which includes any boarding-house, club, dak bungalow, rest house, paying guest house, sarai and other premises of like nature). It is the responsibility of the hotel owner to get this form filled up by the foreigner.
Is the above applicable to PIOs / OCIs as well and how tedious is it ?
There is another provision - Report to be made to and by Hotel Keeper:
Rule-14 According to this Rule every hotel keeper/guest house shall submit a copy of the C form duly, filled with the information given by the foreigner in respect of his passport visa and nationality etc. as soon as may be, but not more than twenty four hours of the arrival of the foreigner, to the Registration Officer. If any foreigner is staying with his relatives it is the duty of that person to give report to the nearest police station or Foreigners Registration Officer with full particulars of the foreigners. Non compliance of these instructions/rules are punishable under Section 5 of Registration of Foreigners Act, 1939.
Section 14 This section is a penalty section which is as under : "If any person contravenes the provisions of this Act or of any order made there under, or any direction given in pursuance of this Act or such order, he shall be punished with imprisonment for a period which may extend to five years and shall be liable to fine."
And another thing is can persons of Indian origin with Foriegn passports pay for their hotels in Indian currency.
Now what do you write there ? I am a desi so I dont have to make any effort to look like one and I have caught the accent / looks of westerners / easterners - so on the face no one would be able to tell that I have acquired foriegn citizenship. My question is more from what do people do in practice. And to know whether those registers kept in hotels are something one need to take seriously (from legal point of view) to write nationality etc details.
I am referring to http://www.immigrationindia.nic.in/registration_requirements.htm
Form To Be Filled Up By Foreigners Staying At Hotels :
Foreigners visiting India on Tourist Visa and not staying continuously for more than six months in India, are not required to register themselves. However, all foreigners including even tourists and others who are not required to register, are required to fill up a form called Form-C (Rule-14, Registration of Foreigners Rules, 1992) at the time of their stay in any hotel (which includes any boarding-house, club, dak bungalow, rest house, paying guest house, sarai and other premises of like nature). It is the responsibility of the hotel owner to get this form filled up by the foreigner.
Is the above applicable to PIOs / OCIs as well and how tedious is it ?
There is another provision - Report to be made to and by Hotel Keeper:
Rule-14 According to this Rule every hotel keeper/guest house shall submit a copy of the C form duly, filled with the information given by the foreigner in respect of his passport visa and nationality etc. as soon as may be, but not more than twenty four hours of the arrival of the foreigner, to the Registration Officer. If any foreigner is staying with his relatives it is the duty of that person to give report to the nearest police station or Foreigners Registration Officer with full particulars of the foreigners. Non compliance of these instructions/rules are punishable under Section 5 of Registration of Foreigners Act, 1939.
Section 14 This section is a penalty section which is as under : "If any person contravenes the provisions of this Act or of any order made there under, or any direction given in pursuance of this Act or such order, he shall be punished with imprisonment for a period which may extend to five years and shall be liable to fine."
And another thing is can persons of Indian origin with Foriegn passports pay for their hotels in Indian currency.
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An interesting piece of information -
Registration of Foreigners (Exemption) Amendment Order, 2005
Notification No: SO543(E) Dated 11.04 2005: The Central Government vide Notification No: SO543(E) Dated 11.04 2005 issued by Ministry of Home Affairs notifies the Registration of Foreigners (Exemption) Amendment Order, 2005 which seeks to amend the Registration of Foreigners (Exemption) Order, 1957. The said order states that the provisions of the Registration of Foreigners Rules, 1992, except rules 5, 9 and 15, shall not apply to or in relation to the persons registered as Overseas Citizens of India under the Citizenship Act, 1955
Does anyone know what these rules 5,9 and 15 are. I think the rule for hotel resgistration form C is Rule 14 so OCIs may be saved therefrom. I am not sure abt PIOs.
Registration of Foreigners (Exemption) Amendment Order, 2005
Notification No: SO543(E) Dated 11.04 2005: The Central Government vide Notification No: SO543(E) Dated 11.04 2005 issued by Ministry of Home Affairs notifies the Registration of Foreigners (Exemption) Amendment Order, 2005 which seeks to amend the Registration of Foreigners (Exemption) Order, 1957. The said order states that the provisions of the Registration of Foreigners Rules, 1992, except rules 5, 9 and 15, shall not apply to or in relation to the persons registered as Overseas Citizens of India under the Citizenship Act, 1955
Does anyone know what these rules 5,9 and 15 are. I think the rule for hotel resgistration form C is Rule 14 so OCIs may be saved therefrom. I am not sure abt PIOs.
PIO's are still "foreigners".The amendment order specifies the exemption is for OCI cardholders only.
So my guess is that PIO card holders would have to register.
As far as you filling the nationality column, you obviously have to fill your primary nationality.PIO does not qualify you as an Indian national.
The hotel owners have to maintain the register for all including Indian nationals.They usually note the driver's license details for the indian nationals.
The only situation where you would be in trouble was if the police had to make specific inquiries about you.
You can pay in rupees or foreign currency if you register as a foreigner.
So my guess is that PIO card holders would have to register.
As far as you filling the nationality column, you obviously have to fill your primary nationality.PIO does not qualify you as an Indian national.
The hotel owners have to maintain the register for all including Indian nationals.They usually note the driver's license details for the indian nationals.
The only situation where you would be in trouble was if the police had to make specific inquiries about you.
You can pay in rupees or foreign currency if you register as a foreigner.
I emailed the NY consulate last week and even called them today asking about my OCI application to make sure everything is OK and the fact that i have not got my acknowlegdement as yet.
The guy on the phone was very uncooperative and told me nothing more that they would inform me if they found something to be wrong.He hung up before i could ask about the acknowledgement.
Mangal Pandey can you please ask that friend of yours who got his OCI card-Did he ever get an acknowledgement and a number for online tracking ?
Has any of the US applicant got a file number or anything of that sort ?
The guy on the phone was very uncooperative and told me nothing more that they would inform me if they found something to be wrong.He hung up before i could ask about the acknowledgement.
Mangal Pandey can you please ask that friend of yours who got his OCI card-Did he ever get an acknowledgement and a number for online tracking ?
Has any of the US applicant got a file number or anything of that sort ?
Mangal Pandey
Registered Users (C)
Yes he got the acknowledgement and no for online tracking. When he checked with that during the mid of Jan., the status showed approved. But when he called the next day they told they haven't recieved the stickers yet. He again called after 2 weeks that's last week and they told to come with the passport to put the sticker. How easy and fast things are done!!
lagadamane
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I applied 2 weeks back at Chicago Consulate. They called me twice today - they wanted my naturalization date and again signture for my kids ( minor kids can sign) and extra $2 for mailing charges. The lady who called us was very polite.
OCI Progress - Canberra AUS
Hello Everybody,
Have been reading this forum for a while now. Just citing my progress so far. I applied for OCI in the High Commission of Canberra 2 weeks back. The same office had once issued my Indian passport a few years back when I was still an Indian citizen.
Well, when I read the forum about whats going on the US embassy's, its really a sorry state. I received my confirmation of application along with file number (which works in the 'Check Status' of MHA website stating as 'Under Process') along with the receipt for the money order which I had sent.
Its written in bold that the whole process may take upto 4 months. Well, one can just hope that the months dont turn to years.
So long, will keep this post updated. The way the US embassies are working, I think the Sydney and Canberra embassies are a bit better and polite than the US personnel. The phone calls are responded and answered to and the emails as well .... but after 10 days. Thats the best they can do I guess !!
CYA
Hello Everybody,
Have been reading this forum for a while now. Just citing my progress so far. I applied for OCI in the High Commission of Canberra 2 weeks back. The same office had once issued my Indian passport a few years back when I was still an Indian citizen.
Well, when I read the forum about whats going on the US embassy's, its really a sorry state. I received my confirmation of application along with file number (which works in the 'Check Status' of MHA website stating as 'Under Process') along with the receipt for the money order which I had sent.
Its written in bold that the whole process may take upto 4 months. Well, one can just hope that the months dont turn to years.
So long, will keep this post updated. The way the US embassies are working, I think the Sydney and Canberra embassies are a bit better and polite than the US personnel. The phone calls are responded and answered to and the emails as well .... but after 10 days. Thats the best they can do I guess !!
CYA
sg007 ...yes Australian High Commision does better
From my experience in Australia, Australian High commission inner workings is much better than Indian Consulates in US.
Finally I was able to get hold of OCI cell representative in New York. The mailing charges upto 4 people is $15. As long as they can identify the face on the photo it is ok even if the background color is not white. If it is difficult to get 35mmx 35mm photo 2inch by 2inch would be accepted.
Let me see what happens if they adhere to what they say!!! I also included a self addressed stamped envelope, and hope to get the reference number.
From my experience in Australia, Australian High commission inner workings is much better than Indian Consulates in US.
Finally I was able to get hold of OCI cell representative in New York. The mailing charges upto 4 people is $15. As long as they can identify the face on the photo it is ok even if the background color is not white. If it is difficult to get 35mmx 35mm photo 2inch by 2inch would be accepted.
Let me see what happens if they adhere to what they say!!! I also included a self addressed stamped envelope, and hope to get the reference number.
Wow ! NY consulate seems to be pretty confused ! My friend called a couple of days prior with the same question and he was told that slight variations in size are OK (2 inches v/s 35 mm) but it has to be in a white background ! ! ! ! He was then told that light grey is also OK but reds and blues will not do.Maybe you should e-mail some other embassies (Chicago,SF,Houston) and ask them !
sg007 this problem seems to be with the NY consulate only.Other embassies seem to be atleast sending acknowledgements or calling up if they found some deficiency in the application !
Dont worry about months turning to years.From a previous post you can see that sydney dec 2005 applicants are already getting their OCI cards.
sg007 this problem seems to be with the NY consulate only.Other embassies seem to be atleast sending acknowledgements or calling up if they found some deficiency in the application !
Dont worry about months turning to years.From a previous post you can see that sydney dec 2005 applicants are already getting their OCI cards.