How to prove US citizenship

Edson 617 said:
Thats what the agent claimed that the form was missing pages, but clearly from the forms on the FOIA CD that was not the case
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Was this claim verbally provided to your father, or your father received a notice stating two pages were missing from the form?
 
Sm1smom said:
Was this claim verbally provided to your father, or your father received a notice stating two pages were missing from the form?
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That's what I was told by the agent when he called me into his office. He said, you are facing removal and deportation because you are not a citizen. You were close but your file was never completed, it is missing some pages. That's what he told me. We took their word for because none of us had ever been through this and the actual hearing itself was at a correctional facility where it was myself, the judge and a prosecutor.
 
If the form was submitted in the 1990s I’m not clear on why it was never followed up on at that stage. If you were under 14 when it was done as you said above it would have been submitted before 1993. It seems really odd that it was just left until 2002 to be told there was an issue. Do you know why your father never followed up with UCSIS well before then?
 
Edson 617 said:
That's what I was told by the agent when he called me into his office. He said, you are facing removal and deportation because you are not a citizen. You were close but your file was never completed, it is missing some pages. That's what he told me. We took their word for because none of us had ever been through this and the actual hearing itself was at a correctional facility where it was myself, the judge and a prosecutor.
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I'm no lawyer and had no idea what was going on, what I was supposed to do, nor did I have any evidence to refute what was being said
 
SusieQQQ said:
If the form was submitted in the 1990s I’m not clear on why it was never followed up on at that stage. If you were under 14 when it was done as you said above it would have been submitted before 1993. It seems really odd that it was just left until 2002 to be told there was an issue.
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Yes. I don't think there was an issue. I think I was screwed over by an incompetent INS agent
 
Edson 617 said:
Yes. I don't think there was an issue. I think I was screwed over by an incompetent INS agent
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But I still don’t understand. Your father filed an N400 for you, never got notice of naturalization and just…left it? Are you sure there was no RFE sent at the time? Any idea why he didn’t open a query on the case when it dragged on?
 
Edson 617 said:
Yes. I don't think there was an issue. I think I was screwed over by an incompetent INS agent
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We have an attorney working on this now and the consulate from my country of birth. This entire thing was started on the word of an INS agent. I've been at this since 2014 assuming that they knew what they were talking about and that they were correct.
 
Edson 617 said:
We have an attorney working on this now and the consulate from my country of birth. This entire thing was started on the word of an INS agent. I've been at this since 2014 assuming that they knew what they were talking about and that they were correct.
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But you don’t have a certificate of naturalization anywhere, correct?
 
SusieQQQ said:
But I still don’t understand. Your father filed an N400 for you, never got notice of naturalization and just…left it? Are you sure there was no RFE sent at the time? Any idea why he didn’t open a query on the case when it dragged on?
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I have no idea. We are trying to dig through everything right now. The n400 form is 16 pages. The n400 form on the CD is the entire 16 pages complete. I do not know what the laws were back then. Some immigration sites say the parents would not receive a notice of naturalization
 
Edson 617 said:
That's what I was told by the agent when he called me into his office. He said, you are facing removal and deportation because you are not a citizen. You were close but your file was never completed, it is missing some pages. That's what he told me. We took their word for because none of us had ever been through this and the actual hearing itself was at a correctional facility where it was myself, the judge and a prosecutor.
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So maybe it is not the form itself that was missing some pages in that case, possibly the missing pages had to do with supporting documents submitted by your father.
 
Edson 617 said:
Yes. I don't think there was an issue. I think I was screwed over by an incompetent INS agent
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Highly doubtful that is what happened. Possibly a RFE was sent regarding the missing pages. Seemed more to me like your father dropped the ball. He should have followed up on whatever it was that he filed for you back then.
 
SusieQQQ said:
That seems kind of odd.
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I know. My father was confused even back then when I was adopted. People were telling him he needed to file certain things and other people were saying that he didn't need to. But he definitely filed the N400 because now we have proof
 
Edson 617 said:
I know. My father was confused even back then when I was adopted. People were telling him he needed to file certain things and other people were saying that he didn't need to. But he definitely filed the N400 because now we have proof
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Yeah but just filing it doesn’t actually mean anything if there was an issue like a RFE and the case was never processed to conclusion. If what the FOIA sent is your A-file, if the case was processed to conclusion so that a certificate of naturalization or citizenship exists, it would be in there. There should also be copies of any RFEs that may have been sent.

“Beginning April 1, 1956, INS began filing all naturalization records in a subject’s Alien File (A-File)”

If you became a citizen then you would also have a C-file.
 
Sm1smom said:
Highly doubtful that is what happened. Possibly a RFE was sent regarding the missing pages. Seemed more to me like your father dropped the ball. He should have followed up on whatever it was that he filed for you back then.
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Again the pages were not missing. All 16 are on the FOIA files completed. Because this was before 2000 the N400 was the appropriate form to file then.
 
Edson 617 said:
Again the pages were not missing. All 16 are on the FOIA files completed. Because this was before 2000 the N400 was the appropriate form to file then.
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There is no rfe in FOIA, 90% of the things on the disk are legal forms from INS attempting to deport me and blank pages . I did an FOIA today with USCIS asking for everything they have from my adoption specifically any forms like N600 or N400 or any forms having to do with citizenship.
 
SusieQQQ said:
Yeah but just filing it doesn’t actually mean anything if there was an issue like a RFE and the case was never processed to conclusion. If what the FOIA sent is your A-file, if the case was processed to conclusion so that a certificate of naturalization or citizenship exists, it would be in there. There should also be copies of any RFEs that may have been sent.

“Beginning April 1, 1956, INS began filing all naturalization records in a subject’s Alien File (A-File)”

If you became a citizen then you would also have a C-file.
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C files were not used after 1956. We didn't receive anything about my A file. Most of the 400 pages on the disk where legal forms from the INS trying to deport me and a lot of blank pages
 
Edson 617 said:
Again the pages were not missing. All 16 are on the FOIA files completed. Because this was before 2000 the N400 was the appropriate form to file then.
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The pages on the form may have been there, but do you have copies of the supporting evidence that was supplied and do you have any way to confirm that everything your father needed to submit to support your application (ie green card and various supporting documents) was provided?

Unfortunately the more information you post the more it seems, to me anyway, that the case was never pursued to conclusion, for whatever reason. If it was there should be a notice of approval, possibly a notice of oath ceremony, and a copy of the naturalization certificate.
 
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