Good News for some WAC03 Applicants, but very Disappointed News for WAC02 Applicants

I just read my Visa notice it does not seem to confer any rights not even the right of residency.

Yes I'm a junior member - does that make me inferior or less knoweldgeable because I haven't sent out 100 requests to send out faxes or posted lots of stupid questions.

You guys lost credability with me today when you started a campaign claiming discrimination and then admit you have NO facts to base this claim - have you heard of libel ? Why do you get to be senior member for doing something like that ?
 
RJL no body is inferior here.....problem is people deal with problems differntly the discrimination thing has some truth if not complete farce.....
 
There's probably 10 Adjudication officers assigned to shred faxes instead of working on cases. CSC probably has all email with "immigrationportal.com" marked as spam.

But hey, its a free country and do what you feel is right. Don't be hateful to the people who don't participate in these campaigns. They have their reasons.

You can accuse CSC all you want, but I don't think that you will find any Weapons of Mass Deportation there, so there is no need for a Shock and Awe campaign with all the faxes and emails.
 
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Originally posted by rjl
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You guys lost credability with me today when you started a campaign claiming discrimination and then admit you have NO facts to base this claim - have you heard of libel ? Why do you get to be senior member for doing something like that ?
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I am not responsible to tell you the FACT.
Originally posted by rjl
I note the CSC have processed 71 applications already this week - ...
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How did you know the CSC had processed 71 applications already this week ?
Do you think it was the FACT ?


Some kind of people seem to like a discussion.
I don't deny the discussion itself, but simply I don't have a time to join such a discussion just for discussion.

I have never forced this forum members to join our campaign.
If you don't like some of our campaigns, you may ignore them.
Also, anyone can introduce better one than mine.

Most of people may think our campains are useless.
They might be right.
However, at least, we have a chance of I-485 backlog reduction even though it might be only a few possibility.
On the other hand, even if I succeed to persuade somebody here, nothing would happen.

My goal is not a discussion but I-485 backlog reduction.
 
Originally posted by rjl
Okay I apologize my comments were hard but occassionally I think we need to slow down.
Kashmir has done a hell of a job getting this on Anna's desk and then a letter and a response from our mate Don. This is great.
But the wheels of government grind slowly and the next posts I see start with these type of comments
"Don's shameless excuse and foul act"
"Discrimination against WAC-02"
Of course I would love to have an approval but unless you have facts which you DO NOT to support these rather strong comments you will just ruin your case and destroy the position you worked so hard to build up.
So tell me to take a hike if you want but before you do take a few minutes to read some of letters you are sending and consider if the statements can be back by facts.
Thats all I wanted to say - I guess I'm not welcome hear.
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I think rjl's this advice is important.
Although I don't explain the FACT for on-going campaigns,
we had better take his advice into consideration for new campains.

I think most of letters would not be read or would be simply ignored,
so a campaign letter should have some impact.
I know my letter may be too aggressive,
so I always recommend campaign participants to post a letter for others.
Don't just "copy and paste" my sample letter.
Fortunately, there are several good writer in this forum.
 
I am NOT asking you tell me facts !!!

For the third time I am saying if you want any creditability with your campaign then the letters, faxes, and conversations must be based on facts.

Everytime I say this you respond by saying I am not here to tell you facts,-proving your campiagns are based on rumor, heresay and wild crazy statements.

Sorry but that will get you nowhere, and anyway you don't believe what they say so what is the point !!!

Don't make statements you can't back up, and then encourage others to repeat the drivel its called libel.
 
Originally posted by kashmir
I am not responsible to tell you the FACT.

The moment you start saying like that... you lose credibility. We are not discussing here "just for the sake of discussion". I am concerned that some of these campaigns and particularly the planned protest in San Francisco with offending slogans... might not help our cause. If anything, they may worsen the problem.

Please realize that we are only guests here and nothing is our right. So much for non-sensical and emotional rhetoric. You got to be day-dreaming about these self-proclaimed rights.

Some of you are getting carried away by your "Senior Member" status... and criticizing others for expressing their opinions with 20 posts. All this makes me lose confidence in your campaigns. How can I participate with you in the San Francisco protest?? Some nut out there might do something asinine and police will book us all. So much for I-485 then.

I tried to do what I can to stop the San Francisco protest. Sometimes, no action is a good action. Just back off from your frivolous statements before you drag us all into trouble.
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Originally posted by rjl
I am NOT asking you tell me facts !!!
For the third time I am saying if you want any creditability with your campaign then the letters, faxes, and conversations must be based on facts.
Everytime I say this you respond by saying I am not here to tell you facts,-proving your campiagns are based on rumor, heresay and wild crazy statements.
Sorry but that will get you nowhere, and anyway you don't believe what they say so what is the point !!!
Don't make statements you can't back up, and then encourage others to repeat the drivel its called libel.
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I listen to your advice(s) but you cannot order me anything.
If I were wrong, nobody would follow me.
 
I don't know what to say to you deepak45. Atleast in my case, i don't want to be a guest to this country. I want a GC and move on to become a citizen. Now, how long it takes, i don't know. But, i don't want to sit and wait for the GC to come and then another 5 years to become a citizen.

My GC process has been going on for last 4 years and i am really tired of people trying to play games with me (emotionally and financially) just in the name of GC process...

I will contribute to anything that will promise to bring a change. Will it or not? i don't know. Definitely, kashmir's emails might be strong but that fits his mood and temperament. He's been in an accident and that put stress on him of what might happen to his family who are dependents on him. they would lose the right to stay here and have to go back. his kids education etc., Read through the posts for a case like that of Aram arumugham and you will know, the point he is trying to make

I modify mine to fit what i feel is comfortable. You can too. Petitions, Protests etc., are the only devices we have to show our discomfort against the system under which we are suffering. But, if you say i am O.K and not suffering, then it is your comfort level. Believe me, i have very close friends that don't necessarily agree when i request them to participate in some these campaigns (fax/email) and it is upto them. I can't be mad at them and they are not either.

You can show up in the protest or take it easy. You can participate in campaigns or take it easy. It is all upto you and your level of comfort.
 
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Originally posted by rjl
For the third time I am saying if you want any creditability with your campaign then the letters, faxes, and conversations must be based on facts.
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I am seriously curious, what kind of facts are you looking for?

The INS has definitely in a freeze mode, with the JIT not moving more than 1 month in 13 months of calender time? Here is a link for that FACT Processing time.

Isn't that FACT enough to write to our Congressmen/Senators etc. and request them to work on INS?

INS regularly puts forth bulletins about how there is no freeze and processing is going to pick up in 2 months as soon as they finish TPS or religious workers or whatever. Has the JIT Moved when they said they would? Isn't that a lie?

It is not our right to get Green cards but isn't it our right to get quick adjudications? After a congress mandate to wrap up processing in 6 months, what has INS done to implement that? Isn't that illegal to go against a law?

So rethink your views about how we don't have facts to go on.

Yes it is agreed that Kashmir is very passionate about his cause and is more stridently militant, but doesn't he have reason to do so? Do all of us who participate in the campaigns copy and paste his faxes? NO! We modify them, and then send them if we feel something is wrong. Go read the entire thread and NOT the header. Have you seen the response we get in the campaigns?

Don't take a pseudo intellectual view point, there is a time to think and a time to act. We are done with waiting. If you don't agree with our view point, no problems. Go ahead and do whatever it is you do. No one is begging for your approval, neither are we looking for your support, if you believe the cause is just and our actions appropriate do participate.

This discussion has gone long enough, time to end it. It is not that anyone is going to come around, so let us not waste our precious time. Let us agree to disagee, and at the same time let go this Senior/Junior Member bullshit. No one gives it any thought. Just that people become friends after "talking" to each other over a period of time.
 
Deepak,

Is that what your fear is? That some mad people will screw the rest of the community by making noise and drawing attention to themselves?

Tell me something how could things be worse? There are no approvals! You are living in a dream if you think there will be approvals around the corner for you, the way INS promises.

How do you expect us to take your protests against our actions seriously? Your statements smack of fear and anxiety that "your" case might be affected by our actions. Other than that fear you don't seem to have a good enough point to make. You just lost all the credibility you had if it is your fear doing the talking and not an intellectual excercise.

As far as doing something silly and getting jailed, come on! EB based applicants (specially those found on these boards), are all professionals, highly educated and pretty intelligent. Why would we pick a fight? Do you think we will throw stones?

This is a simple protest, just to show the world that we exist and have issues that are not addressed. There is nothing anyone can do about your fear. Like Kadamtal said, look for your comfort factor, cause this train ain't gonna stop!
 
I agree with I-140_takes_4ever.

here are the facts.

1. The current processing time hasnt changed in God knows how long.
2. USCIS did not reduce the backlog to 6 months like they said they would.
3. there are million applications pending and USCIS is processing 300-500 a month, at this rate we will never get our greencard.
4. every I-485 applicant is paying 100's of dollars for EAD and AP.


We are supposed to accept the facts and live with it?
 
I have personally felt that Faxes and campains are good constructive ways of doing things here.

Protesting before USCIS offices is a risky gesture especially
at this time when Indians are seen as job snatchers.

I can see already the story on the television
"(Bloody) Indians protest for their right to snatch away
American jobs"

My 2 cents.
 
>I can see already the story on the television
>"(Bloody) Indians protest for their right to snatch away
>American jobs"

I thought we are already in Jobs and that's why were are getting GC's. Anyways, the job snatching is a outsourcing/offshoring related. In fact, we would join the Americans losing jobs band wagon after you get GCs. Then we can all join their hands in protesting against jobs going to India :)

You see in a way, we contribute to their strength. The sooner (We get the GC) the better for them (We can join them).

On a lighter vein....
 
140 - JIT has moved t0 01/09/2004 for AOS???????? or did you mean 01/09/2002??

Please do not scare me :confused:
 
kadamtal
Does not matter what we do these days. It always comes down
to

"India is a job snatching country and Indians are snatching jobs
from Americans. I have had very bad experiences recently. The
problem is stupid people listen to media who plays a important
role in distorting news. Can you site any news report which is
pro immigrant these days?"

Come on...everybody is facing this one way or another....hostile
co-workers ,people telling you that we are stealing their
job, etc.

Wonder what is it going to come to. Sentiment against India is
at all time high. So dunno which way this whole protest thing
will go. But people please work the legal angle.
 
140_takes_4ever

No that I am not attacking you or anything. But I guess being a
moderator brings some responsibilities is what I would assume.

Otherwise there would be no difference between you and
President Bush.

So maybe you gotta take it easy. I would much prefer if you
act like a neutral umpire and not jump in the game and start
playing instead.

Sometimes I feel like you need a moderator to moderate your
rhetoric.

But I truly admire your other great qualities. You are almost an
lawyer yourself. And you give people great advice.

My sincere advice to you....Recite the Gayatri mantra 21 times
everyday. That will keep your mind peaceful.
 
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I think the US constitution does not allow a foreigner the right to "enter" the US on his/her will. However, once you enter, you have the constitutional/legal right to apply for permanent immigration. It also prevents the US government from discrimination based on nationality, religion, race etc., and prohibits arbitrary treatment of immigrants.

Therefore, I believe I have the legal right to apply for permanent status. I have lived in this country long enough and paid my taxes through my nose. I believe I have the right to influence how my tax money is spent and the way to do it is by becoming an American citizen. I also have the right to due process and therefore see nothing wrong in demanding that my application be processed in a reasonable time frame (we can quibble about what a reasonable time frame is) and also have the consumer's right to demand that the money I paid for my application be spent on adjudigating the type of application I submitted, i.e., I-485. I have the right to demand BCIS to explain what kind of budgetary allocation they have for processing this type of application and provide more info than just a JIT report.

I only need one fact to convince me to campaign to law makers (which by the way is a perfectly legal thing to do) is, my application has been pending with BCIS for over 2.5 years.

Kashmir's communication skills may not be prestine but his goals are clear, his messages are succint and the man is relentless. I support him wholeheartedly. I have sent many e-mails/faxes/letters and still waiting.


Cheers!
 
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