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Chinese to Prosecute Peasant Who Resisted One-Child Policy
Decision Reveals Growing Clout of Beijing Hard-Liners

By Philip P. Pan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, July 8, 2006; A12



BEIJING, July 7 -- The Chinese government is preparing to prosecute a blind peasant who exposed excesses by authorities in enforcing the one-child policy in eastern China, where local officials were accused by residents of forcing thousands of people to undergo sterilization or to abort pregnancies. The decision, disclosed by court officials Friday, follows a prolonged bureaucratic stalemate in the ruling Communist Party over how to handle the allegations in the city of Linyi, and it highlights the growing clout of hard-liners in the party since President Hu Jintao took office three years ago.

Chen Guangcheng, 34, the blind rural activist who drew international attention to a violent crackdown on unauthorized births in Linyi last year, is scheduled to be tried July 17 on charges of destruction of property and assembling a crowd to disrupt traffic, according to his attorney, Li Jinsong.

The charges stem from an incident in March in which Chen is accused of leading a protest against local officials who had illegally confined him to his house and who were beating villagers who tried to help him, Li and residents of Chen's village said.

Chen's trial could renew international scrutiny of China's population-control practices, and it represents a major setback for reformers in the government who have been trying to soften the one-child policy and eliminate the abuses long associated with it.

"There isn't much hope," said Chen's wife, Yuan Weijing, by telephone from the family farmhouse, where she has been detained. "Everything that has happened runs counter to Hu Jintao's talk of democracy and governing by law. We live in a nation without law, a nation without morality."

The U.N. Population Fund, which has a significant presence in China, has repeatedly raised Chen's case with the Chinese government, and senior U.S. officials have also pressed the government to release him. In late May, two U.S. diplomats who tried to visit Yuan were physically removed from the village by local officials, she said.

Nearly a dozen lawyers from Beijing have also attempted to visit the village in recent months without success, and several have reported being threatened, detained or beaten by officials or thugs hired by them.

Li said police allowed him and a colleague to meet with Chen last month, but said they prevented them from discussing his defense. When they tried to visit Chen's village to interview his wife and gather evidence, thugs assaulted them and overturned their car, he said.

"They're afraid of information getting out," said Li, who recorded a death threat he received in Linyi, located 500 miles southeast of Beijing. "They don't want the leadership in Beijing to know the truth about what's happening there."

Before he was detained in September, Chen had tried to organize a class-action lawsuit against Linyi officials, alleging they were illegally forcing parents with two children to be sterilized and women pregnant with a third child to have abortions. Residents also accused officials of detaining and torturing relatives of people who fled the crackdown.

Chen's cause drew support from lawyers, scholars and civic activists across the country, and the government agency responsible for population policies in China, the National Family Planning and Population Commission, launched an investigation in August. At the time, a senior commission official, Yu Xuejun, said he supported the efforts of "ordinary people" in Linyi to assert their rights in the courts, and even offered to help them find lawyers.

A month later, the commission announced it had uncovered evidence of the abuses in Linyi and said some officials there had been fired and detained.

But local authorities fought back, placing Chen under house arrest and launching an aggressive campaign to damage his reputation and deny his allegations. Party sources said Linyi officials distributed a report in Beijing that portrayed Chen as a tool of "foreign anti-China forces," accused him of violating the one-child policy and made much of the fact that he had received overseas funding for his work as an activist on behalf of the disabled.

Linyi officials also lobbied the Foreign Ministry and the powerful Propaganda Department, which agreed to ban any discussion of Chen in the state media and the Internet, the sources said.

For months, the party appeared torn about how to proceed, but the decision to prosecute Chen suggests that the Linyi officials have outmaneuvered others in the government who wanted to use the case to send a strong signal to local officials that forced sterilization and abortion would not be tolerated.

The government has declined to say how many officials were punished in Linyi or to identify any of them, but a Beijing official said "very, very few" were disciplined and a journalist said he was told the total was no more than five. Li Qun, the party chief in Linyi, and other local officials also declined repeated requests for comment.

By linking Chen to hostile foreign forces, party sources said, the Linyi officials made it politically risky for anyone to intervene on his behalf. The national population commission, for example, rebuked Linyi officials and singled them out for criticism, but refrained from defending Chen or bringing the case to top party leaders, the sources said.

"In the current political environment, in this political system, no official has any incentive to help him," said one Chinese scholar involved in the case who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The risks to your career are great, and there's little to be gained . . . . So the conservatives have a big advantage."

Chen's case was also complicated by an internal party debate over the future of the one-child policy. Some party officials and scholars have urged the government to relax the policy, arguing that it now causes more harm than good and that China faces a retirement crisis as its working-age population shrinks. But provincial leaders and others in the party have resisted.

A party official involved in the debate said Hu and others on the ruling Politburo Standing Committee are unwilling to take a position on the issue ahead of a leadership conference next year. As a result, he said, many in the party are not sure whether they should support Chen or condemn the Linyi officials.
 
So

What is the purpose of you posting this article here on this forum? What is your agenda?

Are you looking for some information, help regarding your asylum case? Are you trying to help someone with his/her asylum case?
 
Since a considerable portion of asylum seekers are from mainland China, those articles are of interest to many people on this forum.
 
So again

Are you saying that they don't know what it is like in China so they need someone like you or comcast to inform them?

By the way, "China is a nation without law a nation without morality" doesn't focus on chinese government but, in my opinion, insults every chinese national including the asylum seekers.

Again, what is your agenda? To help chinese asylum seekers get their asylum applications approved is definitely not.
 
The articles that people post here definitely help people's asylum cases. I applied for asylum and part of my application referenced the newspaper articles posted here.

We the Chinese people all know how hellish China is. However we need to prove it to the USCIS by citing objective sources.

And the quote is not insulting at all. Under the current government there is neither law nor morality in China.
 
Get out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

comcast is a really trush!
He got her GC after more than 10 years, so either USA or China gave her
a deep harm,so now she is totally
abnormal!!!
 
comcast said:
Chinese to Prosecute Peasant Who Resisted One-Child Policy
Decision Reveals Growing Clout of Beijing Hard-Liners

By Philip P. Pan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, July 8, 2006; A12



BEIJING, July 7 -- The Chinese government is preparing to prosecute a blind peasant who exposed excesses by authorities in enforcing the one-child policy in eastern China, where local officials were accused by residents of forcing thousands of people to undergo sterilization or to abort pregnancies. The decision, disclosed by court officials Friday, follows a prolonged bureaucratic stalemate in the ruling Communist Party over how to handle the allegations in the city of Linyi, and it highlights the growing clout of hard-liners in the party since President Hu Jintao took office three years ago.

Chen Guangcheng, 34, the blind rural activist who drew international attention to a violent crackdown on unauthorized births in Linyi last year, is scheduled to be tried July 17 on charges of destruction of property and assembling a crowd to disrupt traffic, according to his attorney, Li Jinsong.

The charges stem from an incident in March in which Chen is accused of leading a protest against local officials who had illegally confined him to his house and who were beating villagers who tried to help him, Li and residents of Chen's village said.

Chen's trial could renew international scrutiny of China's population-control practices, and it represents a major setback for reformers in the government who have been trying to soften the one-child policy and eliminate the abuses long associated with it.

"There isn't much hope," said Chen's wife, Yuan Weijing, by telephone from the family farmhouse, where she has been detained. "Everything that has happened runs counter to Hu Jintao's talk of democracy and governing by law. We live in a nation without law, a nation without morality."

The U.N. Population Fund, which has a significant presence in China, has repeatedly raised Chen's case with the Chinese government, and senior U.S. officials have also pressed the government to release him. In late May, two U.S. diplomats who tried to visit Yuan were physically removed from the village by local officials, she said.

Nearly a dozen lawyers from Beijing have also attempted to visit the village in recent months without success, and several have reported being threatened, detained or beaten by officials or thugs hired by them.

Li said police allowed him and a colleague to meet with Chen last month, but said they prevented them from discussing his defense. When they tried to visit Chen's village to interview his wife and gather evidence, thugs assaulted them and overturned their car, he said.

"They're afraid of information getting out," said Li, who recorded a death threat he received in Linyi, located 500 miles southeast of Beijing. "They don't want the leadership in Beijing to know the truth about what's happening there."

Before he was detained in September, Chen had tried to organize a class-action lawsuit against Linyi officials, alleging they were illegally forcing parents with two children to be sterilized and women pregnant with a third child to have abortions. Residents also accused officials of detaining and torturing relatives of people who fled the crackdown.

Chen's cause drew support from lawyers, scholars and civic activists across the country, and the government agency responsible for population policies in China, the National Family Planning and Population Commission, launched an investigation in August. At the time, a senior commission official, Yu Xuejun, said he supported the efforts of "ordinary people" in Linyi to assert their rights in the courts, and even offered to help them find lawyers.

A month later, the commission announced it had uncovered evidence of the abuses in Linyi and said some officials there had been fired and detained.

But local authorities fought back, placing Chen under house arrest and launching an aggressive campaign to damage his reputation and deny his allegations. Party sources said Linyi officials distributed a report in Beijing that portrayed Chen as a tool of "foreign anti-China forces," accused him of violating the one-child policy and made much of the fact that he had received overseas funding for his work as an activist on behalf of the disabled.

Linyi officials also lobbied the Foreign Ministry and the powerful Propaganda Department, which agreed to ban any discussion of Chen in the state media and the Internet, the sources said.

For months, the party appeared torn about how to proceed, but the decision to prosecute Chen suggests that the Linyi officials have outmaneuvered others in the government who wanted to use the case to send a strong signal to local officials that forced sterilization and abortion would not be tolerated.

The government has declined to say how many officials were punished in Linyi or to identify any of them, but a Beijing official said "very, very few" were disciplined and a journalist said he was told the total was no more than five. Li Qun, the party chief in Linyi, and other local officials also declined repeated requests for comment.

By linking Chen to hostile foreign forces, party sources said, the Linyi officials made it politically risky for anyone to intervene on his behalf. The national population commission, for example, rebuked Linyi officials and singled them out for criticism, but refrained from defending Chen or bringing the case to top party leaders, the sources said.

"In the current political environment, in this political system, no official has any incentive to help him," said one Chinese scholar involved in the case who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The risks to your career are great, and there's little to be gained . . . . So the conservatives have a big advantage."

Chen's case was also complicated by an internal party debate over the future of the one-child policy. Some party officials and scholars have urged the government to relax the policy, arguing that it now causes more harm than good and that China faces a retirement crisis as its working-age population shrinks. But provincial leaders and others in the party have resisted.

A party official involved in the debate said Hu and others on the ruling Politburo Standing Committee are unwilling to take a position on the issue ahead of a leadership conference next year. As a result, he said, many in the party are not sure whether they should support Chen or condemn the Linyi officials.

China is a nation of almost 21% of the world's population. It's overpopulated and poor. What is it with Chinese people, do they do it like rabbits? Why would you have two and more kids if you have nothing to feed them? You are subjecting them to the life of poverty and hunger. As far as I am concerned, Cninese asylum cases based on sterilization are baseless and frivolous. Although I do think it's too late now to control the population since by 2050 there will be more retirees than working adults to support them in China, so now it's the time to balance out the upcoming crisis. Any comments that would enlighten me on this topic will be appreciated.
 
14ksusha said:
China is a nation of almost 21% of the world's population. It's overpopulated and poor. What is it with Chinese people, do they do it like rabbits? Why would you have two and more kids if you have nothing to feed them? You are subjecting them to the life of poverty and hunger. As far as I am concerned, Cninese asylum cases based on sterilization are baseless and frivolous. Although I do think it's too late now to control the population since by 2050 there will be more retirees than working adults to support them in China, so now it's the time to balance out the upcoming crisis. Any comments that would enlighten me on this topic will be appreciated.


My understanding of the problem is that (I wrote my undergraduate thesis on China) most people in rural China cannot rely on the government for financial support when they are old. The Chinese Communist Party came to power on the back of the peasantry and have done nothing for them in return. Chinese farmers earn so little in their working lives that their savings will not help them. Their sole source of support is their grown children. Their daughters marry into other families and cannot help their parents out. For this reason when the first born is a girl the pressure to have a second child cannot be resisted. The ultimate villain here is the Communist Party. The Chinese people just do what rational people do to protect their own best interests--this is an example of what philosophers call the tradegy of the anticommons.

There is convincing argument that the one child policy has done more harm than good. In general see the works of Steve Mosher and the late John Aird. See also the article entitled "The New Biopolitics" in the current issue of Democracy.

And why do you think these asylum claims are "baseless and frivolous?" They are no more basless than claims premised on domestic violence or FGM (at least in the former there is an established connection to the government).
 
thankful said:
My understanding of the problem is that (I wrote my undergraduate thesis on China) most people in rural China cannot rely on the government for financial support when they are old. The Chinese Communist Party came to power on the back of the peasantry and have done nothing for them in return. Chinese farmers earn so little in their working lives that their savings will not help them. Their sole source of support is their grown children. Their daughters marry into other families and cannot help their parents out. For this reason when the first born is a girl the pressure to have a second child cannot be resisted. The ultimate villain here is the Communist Party. The Chinese people just do what rational people do to protect their own best interests--this is an example of what philosophers call the tradegy of the anticommons.

There is convincing argument that the one child policy has done more harm than good. In general see the works of Steve Mosher and the late John Aird. See also the article entitled "The New Biopolitics" in the current issue of Democracy.

And why do you think these asylum claims are "baseless and frivolous?" They are no more basless than claims premised on domestic violence or FGM (at least in the former there is an established connection to the government).

I understand your point. But how would a guy be more beneficial to a family in rural China than a girl? I mean to the point that a family would continue having 4-5 girls for the sake of having one boy. I grew up in a Communist regime, having two kids there was a sign that you were well-to-do. People simply couldn't afford feeding two or more kids, in rural territories or cities. No matter how helpful they will be for your survival you still need to feed and clothe them for 15-20 years before they can provide for you. I have seen a lot of Foochow cases in NY, I mean, really a lot. Private attorneys coached their clients right there in the hallway, without even knowing their names. The same story got recycled 2 million times. I am not saying that there is no fraud in cases from other countries (including my country), but not in such quantities. Thanks for the references, I will definitely read them.
 
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