Ginuu/RCanadian..100% common doubt for us with EAD..pls comment

StressTestInUSA

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Hello both the GURUs..

thanks for your time for all the comments on these forums as we dont know how much to trust our lawyers. I think all of us who filed in June/July/Aug have these issues.

90% of us in this forum are more than 6yrs of H1 and r on H1 extensions be it 1yr or 3yr extn(based on approved i140) who now have EADs',AP in hand.

While we know it is safe to hold on to H1/H4 as much as we can until the GC is approved,it might take another 2-3yrs for us to reach that GC approval point.

In our case we have the H1 extended until 2010(1999 was the 1st yr H1) based on approved i140. Now our question is after 1yr of filing 485 we plan to change a job on the EAD(both the principal and wife) we lose the H1/H4 status.

If for any reason(dont even want to think..)something happens with 485 approval,but we still have the H1 approved until 2010 can we revert back to H1 again..?

does that mean to be on a safer side,get a H1/H4 stamping today with the current employer(in our case until 2010), enter back on H1/H4 i94 say in November-07...use the EAD when we need maybe in Mar-08..for any reason something goes wrong with the 485 approval reenter back US on the H1/H4 visa..(or does this makes our latest immigration status as H1 and H4 and cant use the EADs)..I just cant trust my lawyer..to be honest I dint even ask him..

hope I dint confuse..?
 
This is my understanding - You can carry H1B as a backup.

Well, if your I-485 is denied; so will be the EAD and AP, but you will still have your H1B, which you can utilize to carry on with your job. Also, you can have MTR on your denied cases and continue fighting it out, while being on H1

Don't use your EAD, if you are on H1 or plan being on H1.

Last note - think positive! :)
 
I-485 may be approved/denied

As per the current trend the I-485 may be approved or denied. so, always being in the H1b status is advisable. do not use EAD and AP. the H1b will be invalid if you use any of those. and you have to apply H1b again if any thing goes wrong. same thing happens when you use AC21 for changing the job/employer. So better to remain in the same job till I-485 get approved with out making further complications.
jaychandin
 
There are and will be some H-1B professionals who have to travel on Advance Parole rather than on a H-1B status because of their special circumstances. This includes unmarried professionals who need to maintain a H-1B status so that they can bring their future spouses to the U.S. on H-4 status and apply for the green card process. Under the current USCIS policy and laws, these professionals have two options to reinstate their H-1B status. One is to leave and return to the U.S. using a valid H-1B visa in the passport. This option is available only when they have a valid visa in the passport to return. Second option is to file I-129 H-1B extension petition. The second option does not require the professional to leave the country to reinstate the H-1B status. They can just reinstate their H-1B status within the country. When they take the second option, they should make it sure that they file the H-1B extension petition while their current approved H-1B remains "valid." Accordingly, when they apply for the H-1B extension, they should submit a copy of parolee I-94 together with the valid approved H-1B approval notice.


10/23/2007: Weird Animal of Requirement for H-1B Traveling with 485 Original Receipt Notice in Order Not to Abandon 485 Application

This regulatory requirement has never received much attention with controversy until the July VB 2007 had created a huge and massive delay in 485 receipting notices. What purpose is it supposed to serve?
The U.S. immigration law requires that a nonimmigrant is not admissible to the U.S. if the alien applies for admission to the U.S. at the airport with an "immigrant intent." The law also provides that a nonimmigrant is also allowed to enter and stay in the U.S. for "temporary" purposes only with a clear intent to depart from the U.S. in the future after the permitted period of stay. Accordingly, when an alien applies for admission to the U.S. at the port of entry in a nonimmigrant status, the law assumes that the alien is applying for admission to the country with a nonimmigrant intent and not with an immigrant intent, as otherwise, the alien would not have been admitted to the country by the immigration inspectors. From the legislative intent of the statutes, it is obvious that when a 485 applicant leaves the country and applies for readmission to the U.S. as a "nonimmigrant," the law should assume that the 485 applicant wants to enter the country as a nonimmigrant, abandoning his/her immigrant intent. Advance Parole serves the purpose of showing the immigrant intent of the returning 485 applicant by not entering as a nonimmigrant but as a parolee to continue the immigrant application process within the country. In other words, Advance Parole serves the purpose of law as two evidence. One is to establish "immigrant intent" at the time of reentry. The other is a mechanism to allow such alien to enter the country without any nonimmigrant or immigrant visa status. That much, it is clear why the Advance Parole should be required for returning I-485 applicants.
What about H or L nonimmigrant? The law specifically permits dual intent - temporary resident intent as well as permanent resident intent. Accordingly, H or L alien cannot be refused an admission to the U.S. by the immigration inspections at the airport simply for the reasons that the alien attempts to enter the country with an immigrant intent. However, this is only an issue of admissibilty of H or L nonimmigrant to the country and not an issue of retention of immigrant intent. Since the law should still determine whether the returning H or L alien is applying for readmission to the U.S. with a "specific immigrant intent," and not with a nonimmigrant intent for the purpose of 485 proceedings for adjustment of status to a lawful permanent resident, the system apparently needed an evidence to determine the specific immigrant intent of the returning H or L aliens. In other nonimmigrant visa aliens, such "immigrant" or "nonimmigrant" intent can be presumed or assumed without any problem because the law prohibits such aliens from entering the country with the immigrant intent. However, in the case of H or L aliens, there is no mechanism to derive an assumption that in a specific entry, the alien was entering with the specific immigrant inent for the purpose of the issue of retention of 485 proceeding and continuing immigrant intent. It thus appears that the regulation that requires a possession of original I-485 receipt notice is intended to provide a device to determine the specific immigrant intent of the returning H or L aliens for the purpose of the retention of the continuing immigrant intent and application for adjustment of status to a lawful permanent residence. Without such evidence, no such immigrant intent, which the 485 proceeding requires, can be established in one way or another unlike the situations in other nonimmigrants. In other words, in the H or L nonimmigrant cases, simple reentering of the alien cannot derive an assumption or presumption of intention of the alien as to nonimmigrant intent vs immigrant intent without some evidence to derive such assumption or presumption at least in the eyes of the law. Allowing dual intent does not automatically translate it into an assumption or presumption of a specific immigrant intent of the alien when the alien travels and returns to the country. This is particularly true considering the fact that even if the alien enjoys a dual intent, the alien is still entering as a "nonimmigrant" and unless a certain evidence indicates otherwise, the law can only assume that the alien is entering as a nonimmigrant and with a nonimmigrant intent rather than an immigrant intent. Presumedly, the drafter of the regulation intended to use 485 receipt notice to determine the continuing immigrant intent of the 485 travelers upon returning to the country. Again, here the issue is not admissibility but abandonment of immigrant intent.
Well, a law is a law. Even though the record reflects that the immigration examiners have rarely implemented and enforced this law in adjudicating 485 applications, such record cannot guarantee continuing ignorance of this law by the adjudicators. As it stands now, should an I-485 application be denied on this evidence of abandonment of immigrant intent by an adjudicator, the burden of proof of continuing immigrant intent at the time of reentry should rest with the applicant requiring specific evidence of immigrant intent at the time of reentry. People may as well travel with the original I-485 receipt notices until the USCIS amends the regulation.

Source

http://www.immigration-law.com/
 
Thanks to all of you for your comments...

So once you jump into EAD/AP its a bye-bye to H1/H4..

If we still want to stick to H status there is nothing much to rejoice about EAD/AP..even the spouse cant work.

Why I am so worried is I have filed 485 thru my ex-employer who filed for the GC, so my case is a little different where 90% of the cases file for GC working with the current sponsoring employer.

I know we can port 485 also with the AC21 etc..but jeez this is like walking on thin ice...

My i140 was approved by Nebraska..but 485 came from Texas and I heard that Texas centre is comparitivley faster than NSC.

Just praying TSC starts adjucticating cases while the PD's r current(EB2/India-Oct 2003) and take the stairs to Tirupathi :)
 
H1B person using EAD:
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If you are on H1 and use your EAD (based on pending I485 and say pending
I140) you lose the H1B status. If your I140 gets denied followed by I485 then you are out of status.
Question comes to my mind is :
1) What are you going to do ?
Appeal/MTR for you I140 but since you don't have H1 yo can't work, if you leave the country you are abandoning your I485 which is under appeal based on I140 ?? So you are in a bad situation Can't work and Can't leave the country ???

H4 person using EAD:
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H4 person using EAD and I140 gets denied followed by I485.. then H4 person is out of status but since primary (H1B) person is maintaining the status of H1 so H4 person can go to their Home country and use the same approved petition and apply for H4 visa again ???? or H4 person applies for a fresh new visa again ???? I am not sure what is the answer to this . As per law since primary person maintining H1B so as per law if dependent uses EAD and gets out of the status can always used primary H1B to apply for H4 ????
 
MTR allows you to stay

Thanks to all of you for your comments...
So once you jump into EAD/AP its a bye-bye to H1/H4.. If we still want to stick to H status there is nothing much to rejoice about EAD/AP..even the spouse cant work. Just praying TSC starts adjucticating cases while the PD's r current(EB2/India-Oct 2003) and take the stairs to Tirupathi :)

One of my friend's GC was rejected. He filed 485 way back in 2004. The rejection was for a silly reason as when the 485 was applied by his employer, he was still working for old employer for 3 months. USCIS has questioned about it and attorney seems to have done some mistake. Now MTR is filed about 2 months back through a new attorney and both he and his wife are working.

What I mean to say is we need not go out of the country as long as MTR is filed.
 
One of my friend's GC was rejected. He filed 485 way back in 2004. The rejection was for a silly reason as when the 485 was applied by his employer, he was still working for old employer for 3 months. USCIS has questioned about it and attorney seems to have done some mistake. Now MTR is filed about 2 months back through a new attorney and both he and his wife are working.

What I mean to say is we need not go out of the country as long as MTR is filed.

Caliber,

can you give in more details with your friends case..
was the 485 filed by his ex-employer while he was not working for them..? Did the employment verification letter say that he was 'currently employed with them' while he was working with a different company..

pls clarify..
 
Once you use EAP and AP, H-1/H-4 status is lost even if you have H stamping in the passport.

If you use the EAD to do something your H won't allow you to do, then yes.

The underlying approval that you have till 2010 gets automatically invalidated as soon as you use EAD/AP.

No, that's between USCIS and your sponsoring employer. You cannot cancel or invalidate that petition. If you go back to your original employer, I would argue that one can leave the US and re-enter on the H.

To re-gain the lost H status, it is not easy since you will need to stay out of USA for 1 full year before you get a new H-1B/H-4 approval again, because you will then be subject to the H-1B cap.

I have no idea where you got this idea.
 
StressTestInUSA,

Here is my opinion:

Once you use EAP and AP, H-1/H-4 status is lost even if you have H stamping in the passport. The underlying approval that you have till 2010 gets automatically invalidated as soon as you use EAD/AP. So you cannot re-enter with just the visa stamp on H-1/H-4 after using EAP/AP.

To re-gain the lost H status, it is not easy since you will need to stay out of USA for 1 full year before you get a new H-1B/H-4 approval again, because you will then be subject to the H-1B cap.

In other words, your status is not determined by your H visa stamp in the passport, but by the USCIS approval of your employer's H-1/H-4 petition. Also, you need to be getting pay stubs from employer (satisfy LCA conditions) without being on bench to be in valid H status.

Where you getting this from? It is absolutely incorrect.
 
H1- B Is still valid if you use AP not the EAD. Just confirmed with my Attorney. You can use your AP to travel without loosing H1-B status.
 
StressTest

Caliber,
can you give in more details with your friends case..
was the 485 filed by his ex-employer while he was not working for them..? Did the employment verification letter say that he was 'currently employed with them' while he was working with a different company..pls clarify..

StressTest,
It was a simple mistake by the attorney. What hapened was that at the time of filing 485, the attorney produced employer letter that my friend was working for the petitioned employer. CIS has asked my friend to provide the Pay stubs from the date of the employer letter. But my friend started working for this employer 3 months later and hence did not have pay stubs for those 3 months.
 
Caliber...

why I am probing so much is..cause my attorney to screwed up with the filing. Now my case history goes like this..

1.worked for employer A,filed LC,i140 approved(PD Oct 2003/India).
2. Left employer A in Dec 2005.
3.Joined employer B in Jan 2006,left here too
4.Joined employer C in Jan 2007

when the dates became current in June went to this attorney to file 485 thru ex employer A. At that time the current employer was 'C',but I dint want to go ahead with 485 filing in June'07(went with all the paperwork etc) and wanted to change to a new employer D with plans to file in July-07.

5.changed to new employer D in July 07...

now here the mixup comes...

the attorneys office sent in the G325A form which I had filled in June(the current/latest employer was employer C) instead of submitting the latest G325A form filled out in Aug, I gave the pay stubs for employer D and the latest employer in G235a was employer C

Somehow...I am still not clear with your friends case..when the 485 was filed,was he not not working with that employer..? did he start working with the GC sponsoring employer after 3months of 485 filing..

could u clarify more with dates etc...
 
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Caliber...

Somehow...I am still not clear with your friends case..when the 485 was filed,was he not not working with that employer..? did he start working with the GC sponsoring employer after 3months of 485 filing..could u clarify more with dates etc...

The employer letter stated that he was working for them in October 2003. So USCIS asked my friend to submit paystubs from October 03. My friend's attorney might have replied with some thing even my friend do not know what was the reply. My friend has pay stubs from this employer only from Jan 2004. USCIS took this as the reason as wrong declaration that he was actually NOT working during those 3 months, but letter says, he was working and hence denied.
 
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