GC via marriage

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research on topic of obtaining GC via marriage

I wish to "do research" on the topic of GC via marriage to a US citizen.

'If' I know a girl over the internet who is a US Citizen.

we have the mutual understand that our communications will eventually lead to marrage if 'everything' goes well.

we have been communicating for 1+ year and I have travelled to the US to meet this girl.

there is also the understanding that if marrage does happens, it will last a life time and this is not a fraud marrage for the sole purporse of obtaining a GC.

what are the type of issues that will be encounted at USCIS?

Has anyone here done this before?

:confused:
 
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not sure exactly what you mean by issues. I met my husband online 9 years ago. And we finally decided to get married. Havnt come across any issues so far..
 
I get in USA legally on visa that lasts 5 months, meet there a girl(us citizen), and somehow we decide to marry, in order to stay together. are my odds to get a gc good?
 
I'm in the process of getting my GC. I dont expect to
come across any problems. We have enough evidence
to prove its a bonifide marriage plus we have a daughter
together too.

Are you already living in the USA?

No.

As I said, this is just a research that I am doing on this subject.

Would there be any problems if I 'know' the girl over the internet for some time. But I have flown over several times to meet the girl?

:confused:
 
Ok.

What would be your plans on entering the United States? On a visitor visa or working visa? You couldnt just come here with the intentions of marrying her and applying for GC. Immigrations ask questions at POE. If they think that is your intentions then they can deny your entry. So its not just as simple as knowing someone and coming over and marrying them and getting a GC.

I am not sure how it exactly works if you marry and apply for GC abroad.. but that could be an option.. anyone else
know how that works?
 

Prae,
Why not? if he entered with visa, fell in love, married US citizen, he could. USCIS must have the burdin to prove otherwise!:confused:

Married to US Citizen November 11, 2006.
Re-date for I-485, I-130, I-765, 12-11-06
NOA- I-485, I-130, I-765- 12-14
RFE I-485- 12-26
Biometrics(code 3)- done 01-29-07
RFE Received- 02-07-07
LUD I-765 - 02-23-07
Lud I-765 - 02-27-06 APPROVED!
ND- Interview(Tampa), 02-16-07
Interview Date - 03-20-07
LUD- I-485, I-130, 03-01-07
Interview- 03-20-07-APPROVED!!!
LUD I-130 Approved 03-20-07!!!
LUD I-485 Welcome notice sent, Card production ordered 03-23-07
LUD- Welcome notice received 03-27-07
LUD- I485 Approval notice mailed 03-28-07!!!
03-30-07 GC received!
106 days in all.
 
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USCIS must have the burdin to prove otherwise!:confused:

Just in response to this particular comment (not anything else in this thread)...

The burden of proof with USCIS is ALWAYS ON YOU. USCIS does not have to prove anything - it is your responsibility to PROVE that their opinion is wrong. And if you can't prove that they are wrong, then they are right.

Whether that is right or wrong doesn't matter, it is simply a reality with USCIS. USICS is ALWAY right unless you can prove them otherwise.
 
Just in response to this particular comment (not anything else in this thread)...

The burden of proof with USCIS is ALWAYS ON YOU. USCIS does not have to prove anything - it is your responsibility to PROVE that their opinion is wrong. And if you can't prove that they are wrong, then they are right.

Whether that is right or wrong doesn't matter, it is simply a reality with USCIS. USICS is ALWAY right unless you can prove them otherwise.

No I disagree, It's on USCIS to prove otherwise if he is married to US citizen.

Here is a case that was much worse, read carefully! I highlighted the important parts for you..

http://www.nilc.org/immsemplymnt/ircaempverif/irca058.htm


9TH CIRCUIT VACATES NONCITIZEN’S CRIMINAL CONVICTION FOR FALSE CLAIM TO U.S. CITIZENSHIP ON I-9 FORM
Immigrants' Rights Update, Vol. 18, No. 7, November 8, 2004

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit recently vacated the criminal conviction of a worker who had been convicted of falsely claiming to be a U.S. citizen because, in the process of completing an I‑9 employment eligibility verification form, he had checked the box next to the statement, “I attest, under penalty of perjury, that I am . . . [a] citizen or national of the United States.”

Ali Abdulati Karaouni, a Lebanese national who entered the U.S. in 1992 and whose authorization to stay and work here expired in Jan. 1994, had been arrested in Sept. 2002 by an agent of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, who also seized documents belonging to Karaouni and interrogated him. Subsequently, Karaouni was arraigned on charges relating to an I‑9 form he had filled out in July 1998 when he was hired by St. Agnes Medical Center in Fresno, CA, on which he had attested to being a citizen or national of the U.S. The count that Karaouni was tried for and ultimately convicted of was willfully making a false claim to being a U.S. citizen in violation of 18 USC sec. 911. In June 2003, after a two-day trial, the court sentenced him to three months in prison. Because Karaouni had been incarcerated since his arrest, the court credited him for the time he had served, and he was immediately deported to Lebanon.

Karaouni appealed his criminal conviction to the Ninth Circuit, contending that the evidence that had been presented against him was insufficient to support his conviction because no rational juror could find beyond a reasonable doubt that, by checking the box on the I‑9 form, Karaouni had made a claim to be a U.S. citizen, as opposed to a U.S. national.

In its decision, the Ninth Circuit noted that there are three essential elements of a sec. 911 violation. In Karaouni’s case, the government had the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt (1) that Karaouni had made a false claim of U.S. citizenship, (2) that his misrepresentation was willful (i.e., voluntary and deliberate), and (3) that it was conveyed to someone with good reason to inquire into his citizenship status. The issue on appeal concerned the first element.
It was undisputed that Karaouni was not a U.S. citizen in July 1998, when he filled out the I‑9 form and checked the attestation box. However, Karaouni pointed out that the statement printed on the I‑9 form next to the box he checked is phrased in the disjunctive and that therefore no rational juror could find beyond a reasonable doubt that he was claiming to be a U.S. citizen and not a U.S. national.

The court found the syntactic structure of the phrase to be critical, because the legal definitions of a U.S. national and a U.S. citizen are distinct. The court also found that the plain language of 18 USC sec. 911 provides only that a false claim to U.S. citizenship is a crime. Therefore, the court concluded that there was insufficient evidence to support Karaouni’s conviction. In doing so, it found that the trial court “violated a basic principle of criminal law by allowing the government to prove that an individual committed the charge offense by showing that he committed either that offense or some other act.” The court reversed Karaouni’s conviction, holding that his answer on the I‑9 form cannot constitute an offense under sec. 911 because Karaouni merely attested that he was a U.S. citizen or a U.S. national, and a claim to U.S. nationality, even if false, does not violate sec. 911.

U.S. v. Karaouni, 379 F.3d 1139 (9th Cir. 2004

This is a guy who commited the "ultimate sin," well according to many on this board. As you can see he clearly got off and got his PR. As the article suggested, it's on the goverment to prove otherwise.
 
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In its decision, the Ninth Circuit noted that there are three essential elements of a sec. 911 violation. In Karaouni’s case, the government had the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt (1) that Karaouni had made a false claim of U.S. citizenship, (2) that his misrepresentation was willful (i.e., voluntary and deliberate), and (3) that it was conveyed to someone with good reason to inquire into his citizenship status. The issue on appeal concerned the first element.

Are you saying that this applies to the AOS interview stage? Or when someone tried to enter the US at a POE?

That case had to do with a criminal court proceeding. The AOS interview and the questioning at the POE by a CBP person are not criminal proceedings – or even civil proceedings for that matter. If they suspect something is not right, the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise. PERIOD. They don’t have to prove that you are lying, you have to prove that you are not.

You can be turned down during the AOS or turned away at the POE and there is no arrest or court proceedings involved. Therefore the US Court of Appeals or any of it's rulings have no jurisdiction.
 
Are you saying that this applies to the AOS interview stage? Or when someone tried to enter the US at a POE?

That case had to do with a criminal court proceeding. The AOS interview and the questioning at the POE by a CBP person are not criminal proceedings – or even civil proceedings for that matter. If they suspect something is not right, the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise. PERIOD. They don’t have to prove that you are lying, you have to prove that you are not.

You can be turned down during the AOS or turned away at the POE and there is no arrest or court proceedings involved. Therefore the US Court of Appeals or any of it's rulings have no jurisdiction.

In plain english, the law say's if you are married to a US citizen you are entitled to have a GC(immigration benefit) as long as you entered legally, but sometimes that's not even a problem. They must prove otherwise if they choose not to! Period. I really don't want to pull out the INS statues, but I respect your opinion. I have been through family AOS have you? Looks like you are still on your EAD from your timeline.

If they told you "No GC" wouldn't you want an explination being married to you US citizen wife? It's their obligation to give you one.

Married to US Citizen November 11, 2006.
Re-date for I-485, I-130, I-765, 12-11-06
NOA- I-485, I-130, I-765- 12-14
RFE I-485- 12-26
Biometrics(code 3)- done 01-29-07
RFE Received- 02-07-07
LUD I-765 - 02-23-07
Lud I-765 - 02-27-06 APPROVED!
ND- Interview(Tampa), 02-16-07
Interview Date - 03-20-07
LUD- I-485, I-130, 03-01-07
Interview- 03-20-07-APPROVED!!!
LUD I-130 Approved 03-20-07!!!
LUD I-485 Welcome notice sent, Card production ordered 03-23-07
LUD- Welcome notice received 03-27-07
LUD- I485 Approval notice mailed 03-28-07!!!
03-30-07 GC received!
106 days in all.
 
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In plain english, the law say's if you are married to a US citizen they have to give you a GC as long as you entered legally, but sometimes that's not even a problem. They must prove otherwise if they choose not to! Period. I really don't want to pull out the INS statues, but I respect your opinion. I have been through family AOS have you? Looks like you are still on your EAD from your timeline.

If they told you "No GC" wouldn't you want an explination being married to you US citizen wife? It's their obligation to give you one.

Married to US Citizen November 11, 2006.
Re-date for I-485, I-130, I-765, 12-11-06
NOA- I-485, I-130, I-765- 12-14
RFE I-485- 12-26
Biometrics(code 3)- done 01-29-07
RFE Received- 02-07-07
LUD I-765 - 02-23-07
Lud I-765 - 02-27-06 APPROVED!
ND- Interview(Tampa), 02-16-07
Interview Date - 03-20-07
LUD- I-485, I-130, 03-01-07
Interview- 03-20-07-APPROVED!!!
LUD I-130 Approved 03-20-07!!!
LUD I-485 Welcome notice sent, Card production ordered 03-23-07
LUD- Welcome notice received 03-27-07
LUD- I485 Approval notice mailed 03-28-07!!!
03-30-07 GC received!
106 days in all.

Fine.... but if as you say they have to "give you a green card" - then why do we have to go through interviews where they can say no?

Whether I've made it all the way through the AOS stage or not shouldn’t have any bearing. And just because one person has made it through does not mean that everyone with the same circumstances will make it through. In a perfect world – you would be correct, but this is not a perfect world and it is still at the discretion of USCIS as to whether they approve something or not – and that has nothing to do with law.

Over the years I have had numerous H1-B’s and TN’s (13 years worth), but every time I crossed the border and tried to come back in, it was still up to the discretion of the CBP as to whether they would let me in or not. Nothing with USCIS is ever truly guaranteed or mandated. Even the AP I have right now clearly states that I have been approved to be “paroled” back into the US if I travel, but it also clearly states in bold letters that parole into the US is not guaranteed, even if you’ve been successful with the AP previously. It’s solely at the discretion of the CBP and Homeland Security - which has nothing to do with Criminal or Cival court preceeedings.

Nothing is guaranteed.

The case you quote only deals with the burden of proof on the government to prove that when he checked the box he was truly stating that he was a citizen and not a US National.
Karaouni appealed his criminal conviction to the Ninth Circuit, contending that the evidence that had been presented against him was insufficient to support his conviction because no rational juror could find beyond a reasonable doubt that, by checking the box on the I‑9 form, Karaouni had made a claim to be a U.S. citizen, as opposed to a U.S. national.
That was the entire basis of the appeal. And the burden of proof is on the government because the government brought this to TRIAL in a Court of Law. This has nothing to do with the AOS process which does not go into a court of law and does not prove that the USCIS has the burden of proof. Nowhere does it state that we are "entitled" to anything from USCIS and it's up to them to prove otherwise. Otherwise it wouldn't be a Petition for Approval, it would be a Demand for Approval.
 
No I disagree, It's on USCIS to prove otherwise if he is married to US citizen. Here is a case that was much worse, read carefully! I highlighted the important parts for you..

You need to understand the difference between civil and criminal proceedings, and the different burden of proof.

The case you mention above was not an immigration proceeding, it was a federal criminal case. In a criminal court, the burden of proof is always on the state (because they brought the case), and it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

In a regular immigration proceeding like a marriage-based I-485, the petition is not the state, it is you. Therefore you need to prove your case. However, because it is civil court, the burden of proof is much lower. Instead of proving beyond a reasonable doubt, you merely need to "on balance" prove that the marriage is genuine. Your hurdle to jump is much lower (good thing for you).

At the same time, USCIS still doesn't need to "prove" that the marriage is illegitimate; they just need to provide enough evidence to counter yours.
 
I wish to "do research" on the topic of GC via marriage to a US citizen.

'If' I know a girl over the internet who is a US Citizen.

we have the mutual understand that our communications will eventually lead to marrage if 'everything' goes well.

we have been communicating for 1+ year and I have travelled to the US to meet this girl.

there is also the understanding that if marrage does happens, it will last a life time and this is not a fraud marrage for the sole purporse of obtaining a GC.

what are the type of issues that will be encounted at USCIS?

Has anyone here done this before?

:confused:

You can probably apply for a fiancee visa through her then come over and get married in the US. That's how most people do it who are overseas trying to marry a US citizen.
 
Prae,
Why not? if he entered with visa, fell in love, married US citizen, he could. USCIS must have the burdin to prove otherwise!:confused:

Married to US Citizen November 11, 2006.
Re-date for I-485, I-130, I-765, 12-11-06
NOA- I-485, I-130, I-765- 12-14
RFE I-485- 12-26
Biometrics(code 3)- done 01-29-07
RFE Received- 02-07-07
LUD I-765 - 02-23-07
Lud I-765 - 02-27-06 APPROVED!
ND- Interview(Tampa), 02-16-07
Interview Date - 03-20-07
LUD- I-485, I-130, 03-01-07
Interview- 03-20-07-APPROVED!!!
LUD I-130 Approved 03-20-07!!!
LUD I-485 Welcome notice sent, Card production ordered 03-23-07
LUD- Welcome notice received 03-27-07
LUD- I485 Approval notice mailed 03-28-07!!!
03-30-07 GC received!
106 days in all.

Hi,

How long were you 2 together before you marry?

where you on a H1B visa or student visa before the marrage?
 
How many here have married a USC and got their green cards?

did you encounted any problems?

:confused:

Dude, you are in the family based immigration forum... a BUNCH of people have married an USC and got their GCs...

is like asking, how many people here learned to ride a bicycle and did you encounter any problems? :rolleyes:
 
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