False USC Claim on Community College Application

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WBH said:
For people on AOS pending, do they need a visa status to attend colleges or I485 receipts or EAD can be used to attend college? Hope that
is teh case for the OP then he will be OK
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I-485 receipts can definitely be used to attend school. Whether they will grant the in-state tuition rate based on that varies from state to state.

Some colleges even allow out-of-status people to attend, while knowing they are out of status. There is no Federal law saying they must ban such students from attending, so they can let them attend if they want to. Many who came here illegally as children find themselves in that situation ... they attend middle school, high school, and graduate from college without any legal status, and then they're screwed because they can't stay to get a job with their degree.
 
Al Southner said:
I don't think the OP should disclose this, because how are they going to find out?
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USCIS conducts randoms checks on applicants who have been naturalized. The possibility is there that they come across an applicant who falsely claimed US citizenship on a college admission application. Whether an applicant wants to take that change and flat out lie on their application is entirely up to them , but they should also realize the potential consequences.
 
What happened to the lady here who posted she told her neightbor she was a citizen and she disclosed it on N400? We don't see her updates.

Vorpal said:
Who could forget her? :rolleyes:
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I remember her too. Wonder, what happened to her case.
 
Bobsmyth said:
USCIS conducts randoms checks on applicants who have been naturalized. The possibility is there that they come across an applicant who falsely claimed US citizenship on a college admission application. Whether an applicant wants to take that change and flat out lie on their application is entirely up to them , but they should also realize the potential consequences.
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A college record is private record not open to the public. SO USCIS randon check will not likely find it. Sure USCIS can get corut order to force colleges to send their records. But that can happen only if USCIS already deeply believe a particular applicants did claim to be a USC and only need to find collect evidence to prove it. I am not saying the OP should not disclose it but even he himself is not sure if he
really claim to be a citizen. May be he should keep him from the knowledge so he can go ahead with a good faith he did not claim USC.

Again as I said, if law requires non-ctizens to have a visa staus (F1) to attend AMerican college, and the OP clearly know he does
not have such a visa status, then he could more llikely have claimed to be a USC or a PR.

Finally, if the OP did claim to be a citizen, then no matter what he face the chance of bad things -- even he does not apply for citizenship, he is still deportable
 
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Thank you so much for the replies...

The reason why I didn't remember was that I went to a US high school and at that time I there was an automatic code that you put for a local high school graduate that I didn't have to formally register. At the same time, I didn't remember being asked for any proof of citizenship. This was the same when I transferred to a 4 year university. Should I ask for my records from the 2 shcools? Since I got my GC after all this, does it mean that USCIS is aware of this already? Does anyone know anybody with similar situation?
 
gerry0279 said:
Since I got my GC after all this, does it mean that USCIS is aware of this already? Does anyone know anybody with similar situation?
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What are your nonimmigration visa status when you attended thoise colleges/universites?
 
WBH said:
A college record is private record not open to the public. SO USCIS randon check will not likely find it.
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What makes you so sure that the info on a college application for immigrants is not shared with USCIS, especially if it involves falsely claiming to be US citizenship in order to gain access to scholarships and grants?
 
Bobsmyth said:
What makes you so sure that the info on a college application for immigrants is not shared with USCIS, especially if it involves falsely claiming to be US citizenship in order to gain access to scholarships and grants?
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Maybe only shared if the application involve I-20 form, IAP66 form. That is why I asked the OP about his visa status at that time.
If the college treated him like he was a citizen or PR whether he cliam or not, the application form will not go to USCIS

It is crazy to think that USCIS not only need foreign students collge application materials but also need to same records for
millions of American students each year.
 
WBH said:
It is crazy to think that USCIS not only need foreign students collge application materials but also need to same records for
millions of American students each year.
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Not really when you consider that college admission application data is shared with other government agencies as needed, including scholarships and grants, or selective service status with SSA.
 
Bobsmyth said:
Not really when you consider that college admission application data is shared with other government agencies as needed, including scholarships and grants, or selective service status with SSA.
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Unless there is something that force USCIS to investigate, the risk is much smaller than a fatal car accident when you
drive to interview. The only thing that can cause USCIS suspision as I imagine is that he need to list past5years ofemployment
and college history. He has been on GC for 5 years so if the IO see he never attend a college during the last five years
and his employment clearly show college degree is needed then the IOmay wonder when this applicant attended college.
He may figure he muat have attaned college before getting the GC but find no student visa in his A file and then assume
he may claim to be PR or citizen to attttend. Other than that there is now ay USCIS want to check.

If USCIS rancomly check, tehy may also rancomly check on PR or on anyone, then he is in trouble anyway so he better get it over with.
 
gerry0279 said:
Thank you so much for the replies...

The reason why I didn't remember was that I went to a US high school and at that time I there was an automatic code that you put for a local high school graduate that I didn't have to formally register.
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Why would the idea of having claimed to be a USC on your college application be on your mind so heavily if you didn't do it? It's not something you would do accidentally. C'mon, admit that you did it.
At the same time, I didn't remember being asked for any proof of citizenship. This was the same when I transferred to a 4 year university. Should I ask for my records from the 2 shcools? Since I got my GC after all this, does it mean that USCIS is aware of this already? Does anyone know anybody with similar situation?
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It doesn't mean USCIS knows anything. Unless you are an F-1 or J-1 student, colleges do not routinely share student information with USCIS.
 
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Jackolantern said:
Why would the idea of having claimed to be a USC on your college application be on your mind so heavily if you didn't do it? It's not something you would do accidentally. C'mon, admit that you did it.

It doesn't mean USCIS knows anything. Unless you are an F-1 or J-1 student, colleges do not routinely share student information with USCIS.
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If I were a judge over a lawsuit about revoking a GC because the USCIS find out the applicant claimed to be a US citizien prior to I485, I would punish USCIS by rejection revocation. The
reason is simple: USCIS does not ask such question on I485 so that such applicant got the GC hoestly fair and square. I wouldk order the USCIS to add US citizenship claim and non-citizen viting
questiopns on I485 if they cares.

The only excuse I485 has is that there is a question on I485 "Have you ever commited a CIMT for which you were not arrested?". This is a catch all the rest question. But
I am not sure claiming to be US citizen is a CIMT or not for noncitizens
 
trialanderror83 said:
To the OP, Just apply for your citizenship. Don't worry about this, it's not worth the worry. They are not going to find out.
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Maybe USCIS is monitoring this forum and can think of ways how to prevent people get thru with such and similar problems
 
trialanderror83 said:
To the OP, Just apply for your citizenship. Don't worry about this, it's not worth the worry. They are not going to find out.
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So you're suggesting the OP lie on N-400 application by not disclosing he falsely claimed to be a US citizen on college application???
 
Bobsmyth said:
So you're suggesting the OP lie on N-400 application by not disclosing he falsely claimed to be a US citizen on college application???
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Yes that would be my suggestion if he wants to be a citizen. What the op does is up to him.

Of course he can always be truthful, get denied citizenship, get his PR status taken, and get deported and banned from the U.S. because he feels bad for lying.

I am sure if it were you Bob, you would man up and tell them the truth, right.....
 
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trialanderror83 said:
Yes that would be my suggestion if he wants to be a citizen.
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It's bad advice to suggest for someone to lie on their application..the potential consequences can be severe. Furthermore, I wouldn't lie on my application by not disclosing a false claim to US citizenship.Instead I would contact a good immigration lawyer in order to determine the best way to handle such an issue.

If you feel it's ok to lie on your application to gain citizenship, then you don't deserve to be naturalized.
 
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And what do you think the lawyer will advise him to do differently?? the same thing I told him to do. You think paying a lawyer money will have a different conclusion? The OP knows he did wrong, it's to late. You advising him to admit this will end his life here for good.

So he said he was a citizen on a college application, big deal. And please don't give me a link to the statute "false claim to U.S. citizenship" bob because I already know it. Sometimes you have to read between the lines my friend....

If it were voter registration or something to that matter then I might think twice. It's NOT

It's not a perfect world Bob. And it's not up to you to decide what he does/ doesn't deserve. The guy wants to be a citizen. Having this petty thing that the INS will never know about shouldn't stop him.

To the OP, do You want advice from a immigration lawyer as Bob suggest you may need? Apply and keep your mouth shut about it. That came from my lawyer whom I asked. I just saved you $2000!
 
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trialanderror83 said:
And what do you think the lawyer will advise him to do differently?? the same thing I told him to do.
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You fail to see the potential seriousness of the OP's false claim to US citizenship. Without knowing the details of his case, it's foolish to suggest that he should straight out lie and not disclose the issue. Likewise, disclosing the false claim is not a death sentence as you suggest. If your lawyer suggested that someone should not disclose such an issue, I would question the lawyer's motives. Finally, consulting several good immigration lawyers would not cost $2000..if a lawyer is asking $2000 for advice you're getting ripped off.
 
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