Evidence of shared life

ronirica

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Hello, this is my first time to post something. I just came back from my second interview with INS, and it was the worst interview I could imagine. I felt that she was exaggerating things to make us look fake. I want to know what you guys think-- or maybe I just want to share this to get out of my system.

First, my background: I have been married to my husband for four years. I was here with H1B, and my company offered to sponsor for my green card three years ago. I was going to take the offer and get the card through employment. But two years later, I chaged my mind, because I didn't think it was going to take years. Plus my company didn't want to let me go, so I had an impression that they were trying to delay on purpose. Both my husband and I want to move to another city eventually, and I really didn't want to be tied to my company forever. We are both kind of cut off from our families. I was cut off because they found I was dating someone of a different race. My husband just didn't have a good family, and is parents have passed away anyway.

My husband and I were interviewed separately. My interviewer, from the beginning, was suspicious, because she said "you two don't have ANY evidence of shared life." She told me she called my husband's work and got a different address on his W-2 form from what we had in file. I knew that he never reported his new address to his work. But when I applied for the green card, I did include tax return information, which she had in her file. So it is not like we do not have ANY evidence of shared life.

Then she asked about my family stuff and his family stuff. When she found out we don't talk to our family, she said that makes us suspicious. She went on and on about fake marriages that she knows. She said "MOST PEOPLE do this and that, but you guys don't. That makes think your marriage is fake." (One of the thing we said was we were not planning to have kids. She said MOST couples would want to have kids, and thus we aren't normal, etc.) When she found out my husband has never been to my home country, she again said she is suspicious. Basically, she said many things we said sounded suspicious, and she will call more places to get more evidence. For one question, I said I can't remember because it was such a long time ago. She said "you have to remember it." I thought saying "I don't know" or "I don't remember" is an option. She also asked me if I went over questions with my husband yesterday. I actually did a little bit, so I said yes. I know it make them suspicious, too, but by then, I thought it wouldn't make any different (plus I didn't want to lie.)

When she asked me for some proof of evidence of shared life, I brought a few bills, tax return stuff, medical insurance card with both of our names and auto insurance card. I also brought bunch of pictures and some letters. After she went through the bills, she asked me if she could keep those, so I said yes. (She even took my medical insurance card, by the way... I forgot to ask her to return it.) Then I tried to show pictures of us together, she said she didn't want to see. During my husband's interview, she told him that she "can't believe" that I brought little evidence of a shared life, even though she's the one who refused to see those pictures. I was very confident that the pictures would prove that we are in love. Actually, the fact I didn't apply for green card right after marriage also proves I didn't marry for green card, I think. Plus we pretty much gave the same answers for questions about each other or how the apartment looks like, etc. But apparently, we do not have enough evidence, according to her....

So anyway, she is going to send out a mail requesting more evidence. (She also asked what I would say if a private investigator follow us. I said "go ahead.")

Thank you for reading. If you have any kind of advice or opinion, let me know. My application is still not turned down yet, so I guess I am just going to wait for the request or whatever.
 
I'm sorry you had such a horrific experience. May I ask what happened during your first interview to result in this stoke interview? Did you use a lawyer? I don't have much to suggest but I am here to lend a sympathetic ear. Again, really sorry. Hope it gets better soon.
 
Hi ronirica,
Im so sorry to hear about your interview experience coz we had our interview on May 22, 2007 and everything went well. I dont understand why your interviewer would think you dont have enough evidence as i presented the same docs as you presented although our interviewer interviewed us together and its our initial interview. We got approved after 20 minutes of talking to her. I hope everything will turn out well for you and your husband.
 
I'm sorry you had such a horrific experience. May I ask what happened during your first interview to result in this stoke interview? Did you use a lawyer? I don't have much to suggest but I am here to lend a sympathetic ear. Again, really sorry. Hope it gets better soon.

The first interview was okay, I thought. So the fact we were called for the second interview already upset me. During the first interview, the INS guy only asked us how we met and why I didn't apply for green card right after the marriage. But I forgot to wear my ring, and I didn't bring any photos. I really couldn't think of anything else, so today I did wear the ring and brought bunch of photos, but my interviewer was not interested in looking at any photos, which doesn't make sense at all.

I did't have any lawyer. I felt like I should have had one.
 
Hi ronirica,
Im so sorry to hear about your interview experience coz we had our interview on May 22, 2007 and everything went well. I dont understand why your interviewer would think you dont have enough evidence as i presented the same docs as you presented although our interviewer interviewed us together and its our initial interview. We got approved after 20 minutes of talking to her. I hope everything will turn out well for you and your husband.

Thank you for your reply. I was so upset after the interview that I couldn't do anything else!! I hear many stories like your case, so I just believed mine would be quick as well... Anyway, congrats on your green card. I will probably post more messages as I hear from INS again.
 
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Yeah that sounds like a very mean IO. Hopefully it will all work out well. Just to check, what was your District Office?

It was at the Milwaukee office (local). I feel like there aren't many people applying for green card and thus those INS people have too much free time or something (who knows!!?). There were three couples, including us in the waiting room. I will post more info when I know what kind of other evidence INS wants. Thank you for your comment.
 
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Sorry about the treatment you received from that IO :rolleyes: Some people have so screwed it up hence the reason people who are genuinely in love and have legit marriages are put under such scrutiny. This is not far :eek: Hopefully things will work out for you. Do you mind if I ask what country you are from?
 
Sorry about the treatment you received from that IO :rolleyes: Some people have so screwed it up hence the reason people who are genuinely in love and have legit marriages are put under such scrutiny. This is not far :eek: Hopefully things will work out for you. Do you mind if I ask what country you are from?

Hi, thank you for your comment. I am from Japan. My friend just told me that her friend went through the same thing (at the same INS office---- who knows, maybe with the same interviewer!!), even though she already had two kids with her husband at the time of the interview. :eek: I don't know which country the husband is from. Anyway, my friend helped them by writing an affidavit (she even went to their wedding), so she said she can help me as well. I guess I am just going to get as many affidavids as possible.
 
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Then she asked about my family stuff and his family stuff. When she found out we don't talk to our family, she said that makes us suspicious. She went on and on about fake marriages that she knows. She said "MOST PEOPLE do this and that, but you guys don't. That makes think your marriage is fake." (One of the thing we said was we were not planning to have kids. She said MOST couples would want to have kids, and thus we aren't normal, etc.) QUOTE]

Hi:

What outrageous comments! Luckily my wife and I were never asked that. There is nothing ABNORMAL about not wanting to have children - it is a personal choice. My wife and I do not want children, because we are both focused on our careers, and neither of us want to be tied down. I would happily have told the officer that. If she had a problem, I would have offered to have a child, but all the bills for childcare, private school, school supplies, toys etc. would have to be sent to her personally. That might have curbed her enthusiasm for reproduction (lol)
 
..., I would have offered to have a child, but all the bills for childcare, private school, school supplies, toys etc. would have to be sent to her personally. That might have curbed her enthusiasm for reproduction (lol)

Amen to that!!!! I think it's just a routine they have to see the reaction of the people being interviewed.
 
Then she asked about my family stuff and his family stuff. When she found out we don't talk to our family, she said that makes us suspicious. She went on and on about fake marriages that she knows. She said "MOST PEOPLE do this and that, but you guys don't. That makes think your marriage is fake." (One of the thing we said was we were not planning to have kids. She said MOST couples would want to have kids, and thus we aren't normal, etc.) QUOTE]

Hi:

What outrageous comments! Luckily my wife and I were never asked that. There is nothing ABNORMAL about not wanting to have children - it is a personal choice. My wife and I do not want children, because we are both focused on our careers, and neither of us want to be tied down. I would happily have told the officer that. If she had a problem, I would have offered to have a child, but all the bills for childcare, private school, school supplies, toys etc. would have to be sent to her personally. That might have curbed her enthusiasm for reproduction (lol)

Thank you for telling me that we are not abnormal. I feel much better now. :)
 
My God

this is like the same experience I/we have had.

seems like all Asians now got discriminated because of so many "fake marriages"

this is why I change my mind to being a legal instead of majoring in doctoral /sigh
 
Hello, I didn't check this thread for a long time...

I don't think "all" Asian get discriminated, but we think we are getting unfair treatment for whatever reason. In fact, people around me think we got racial discrimination (my husband is not an Asian but a person of color), but I try not to think in that way.

It's been a long time since I posted last time. This is what happened after the stoke interview last time. One day when I came back from work, I got a letter from INS saying that my case was denied and I should get out of the country. My husband got some similar letters. They said the reason for denial was the address on one of my husband's W-2 forms did not match the address where we said we lived. This was also one of the issues that the immigration officer was hanging on, but we explained that my husband just forgot to report his new address for a long time. I don't think she wrote it down when I said it. She also said she would be sending a request for more evidence. We never got such a request -- so didn't have any chance to prove we are correct. The W-2 form that she mentioned indeed has my husband's old address, but if you flip it, there is the yellow sticker from the post office showing that the form was sent back to the sender because the address was not valid... So we could have proved it easily.

I also got a letter that EAD is no longer good, because the case isn't pending any more. I was so depressed, because I became out of status. We hired a lawyer, who is very confident that we can prove that our marriage is not fake. So we decided to refile again to have a fresh start. She suggested that we should turn in as much evidence as possible with the application packet. So we did that.

A few days ago, we had an interview. Our appointment was at 10:30, but we didn't get called until everyone else was gone. We watched people who came after us entered the room and came out. Then around 12:30, my husband got caled in. We figured we were going to be interviewed seperately ... again. And guess what, we got the same immigration officer, who asked us the same things, made same kind of bais remarks and made us as pissed as last time. Like last time, I think she only wrote down bad things -- not not good things. She seemed determined to find any reason to deny us. My husband told me that the first thing she asked him was whether or not he wanted to stop this petition. She said she is just giving him an opportunity to drop it. (what the hell!!!??) Nightmare all over again!!!! :mad:

We submited so much evidence, so outcome might be different this time, but I have a feeling that I will get denied again. I just can't believe what is happening. I told all about this to my lawyer, and she strongly believe something is wrong with the officer -- and not us.
 
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Was your lawyer present with you at the interview? May be it's time you guys launch an official complaint about this Immigration officer to his/her supervisor.
 
What are the ods to get again the same officer?... If you already submitted all the necessary evidence won't matter since this officer has already made up his/her mind. Your lawyer should know what to do because the officer should explain the grounds for the denial not just because he "thinks" that you two are not a true marriage and you be prepare if you get denied again.

To be sincere I don't think there is a profiling environment even I won't put my hand on fire about it but there are people and there are people, same as you can find a close minded person at your work you can find it everywhere. His/her attitude seems more a "hunch" from his/her part than real evidence backing him/her up.

What your lawyer has told you in the case a denial occur?
 
In our case, my wife's application was denied once because we moved to another state and missed her interview. The application was denied even after our attorney went to the schelduled interview and informed them that my wife could not attend because we moved to another state. They were also inofomed that an application for transfer was submitted according to procedure and within the allowed timeline. Anyways, we were finally scheduled another interview at the office in our new state having jurisdiction on her case and when we were interviewed, the officer told us that he was the same officer who denied her case. He explained that the other state needed additional manpower and he was temporarily assigned to work there for a few months. Once he moved back to his original post, he was assigned to my wife's case again as her file was transferred there. Think about the chance of that happening. We were so surprized. But the officer was excecptionally nice and went out of his way to approve my wife's case and even stamped her passport during the interview even though the office in general were not doing that anymore as a regular practice.
MGM

What are the ods to get again the same officer?... If you already submitted all the necessary evidence won't matter since this officer has already made up his/her mind. Your lawyer should know what to do because the officer should explain the grounds for the denial not just because he "thinks" that you two are not a true marriage and you be prepare if you get denied again.

To be sincere I don't think there is a profiling environment even I won't put my hand on fire about it but there are people and there are people, same as you can find a close minded person at your work you can find it everywhere. His/her attitude seems more a "hunch" from his/her part than real evidence backing him/her up.

What your lawyer has told you in the case a denial occur?
 
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we asked ins to waived fees for us and even if it takes a few months I thought that those who cut us the slack to approve 1 130 and given me a work permit are very nice.
But then I don't think that the officer even knows what the heck he is looking at.
Even tell us on our first interview about not enough money on bank and of course my stepdad co sign our application....so that's what I don't understand.
My mom says before our 2nd interview that if ever the 2nd interview will gone bad we will get a lawyer even though it will cost a lot of money that we currently struggling to get, to have our own appartment.
Just imagine how much headache it is....
if he's too keen about our "fraud marriage" why don't he just get an FBI to search for anything that they wanted to know.
and I'm sure he won't do that because he discriminate me and might be an "honor" to him that he finds a "fraud marriage" :|
 
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