English knowledge at POE

[NuvF]

It isn't about entering the country.......

Gosh.....you're confused inside out!!

They have had their visas issued and stamped on the PPs.
The guy who is PA has come to USA early and is worried about the PoE experience that his family (who are following to join him later to US) may face !!

At this point of time in their immigration journey, language is NOT a problem, they SHOULD NOT have any trouble at PoE.

What you were dwelling all along was 'what ifs' they should've been aware of before and at the interview.

I don't think the DoS and USCIS official guidelines for their visa AO s calls for strict emphasis on language issue. Sure they have to look at the 'overall picture' and sure they have to use their 'discretionary powers' to the max as allowed by guidelines or law.

If it was as 'strict' as you would like it to be, then we wouldn't be seeing as many DV winners we encounter here from Eastern Europe and some from even Western Europe!

Looking at the history of immigration in US, do you think that language issue had ever been a 'thorny issue' as you seems to think that it should be?

 

[bentlebee]

Gosh.....you're confused inside out!!

They have had their visas issued and stamped on the PPs.
The guy who is PA has come to USA early and is worried about the PoE experience that his family (who are following to join him later to US) may face !!

At this point of time in their immigration journey, language is NOT a problem, they SHOULD NOT have any trouble at PoE.

What you were dwelling all along was 'what ifs' they should've been aware of before and at the interview.

I don't think the DoS and USCIS official guidelines for their visa AO s calls for strict emphasis on language issue. Sure they have to look at the 'overall picture' and sure they have to use their 'discretionary powers' to the max as allowed by guidelines or law.

If it was as 'strict' as you would like it to be, then we wouldn't be seeing as many DV winners we encounter here from Eastern Europe and some from even Western Europe!

Looking at the history of immigration in US, do you think that language issue had ever been a 'thorny issue' as you seems to think that it should be?

I don't guess but I only speak from what people told me who I know and had an interview in the past....it seems years ago they weren't as difficult probably due to less unemployment...

 

[slb123]

It seems to be an interesting topic and thank for all who replied again and again .

Actually I have not obtained GC yet and willing to go for the interview may be around March next year.

I am an IT graduate having expereince in many fields, and my son also have passed his unviversity entrance eaxm. And I will send him for a rapid english speaking course since I have enough time for the interview. Anyway he can read and understand english well. But the problem is about speaking. Suppose by that time of interview he will be fluent in English and suppose threre won't be nay problem of finding a job for me and my son.

Also I am going to show my asstes , one of my land in my country which is worth about 60000 usd and my EPF account 20000 usd (which can be withdrawn after getting LPR) at the interview.

I suppose for my son also can find a job and wife is the problem without having english knowledge.

As Madu said this is not about getting the GC. Purely want to know whether not knowing english will be a problem at POE. Will they provide a translator ?

 

[bentlebee]

It seems to be an interesting topic and thank for all who replied again and again .

Actually I have not obtained GC yet and willing to go for the interview may be around March next year.

I am an IT graduate having expereince in many fields, and my son also have passed his unviversity entrance eaxm. And I will send him for a rapid english speaking course since I have enough time for the interview. Anyway he can read and understand english well. But the problem is about speaking. Suppose by that time of interview he will be fluent in English and suppose threre won't be nay problem of finding a job for me and my son.

Also I am going to show my asstes , one of my land in my country which is worth about 60000 usd and my EPF account 20000 usd (which can be withdrawn after getting LPR) at the interview.

I suppose for my son also can find a job and wife is the problem without having english knowledge.

As Madu said this is not about getting the GC. Purely want to know whether not knowing english will be a problem at POE. Will they provide a translator ?

Now you start to confuse me again...You are worried about the POE while you don't have the GC.

If you have all your paper proof and you are eligible and you can proof you have the money as you are stating and where it is coming from (a bank loan isn't allowed), you should be fine since you have a little over the poverty guide line...I don't think land will count since in todays economy land isn't much value since many people can't get a piece of land sold.

When your son and wife get to POE they already have their visa's so they should be fine, you should first worry or not about the interview and make sure your son get's to speak English, otherwise he can get a difficult time over here. If you can't speak English and want to attend a College education as you are stating, you should at least speak English since in College the material goes fast and they won't try to keep up with non speaking students in College, in elementary school they special programs for non speaking kids like ESOL. If he wants to work he needs English as well or your native language must be Spanish which can easily get him a job in certain areas....

 

[i2009]

I think that we are mixing all the subjects here. First, he has to go through the Consular Interview and get approved and obtain his immigrant visa; then, he has to enter the country and obtain his Green Card. Then, he has to apply for a Social Security number if he didn't apply for it when he submitted the forms to KCC.

Note: English is not required for the Green Card (it is for naturalization) and Consular Offices don't have discretionary powers as USCIS offices do.

He does need to prove that he will not be a charge for the US so he may need to prove that he will be able to get a job (not his family).

I have had coworkers that can speak a very limited English and most of them were from Asia (in IT field). You don't need to be fluent in English to get a job. Also, slb123's English is not bad at all!

 

[bentlebee]

I think that we are mixing all the subjects here. First, he has to go through the Consular Interview and get approved and obtain his immigrant visa; then, he has to enter the country and obtain his Green Card. Then, he has to apply for a Social Security number if he didn't apply for it when he submitted the forms to KCC.

Note: English is not required for the Green Card (it is for naturalization) and Consular Offices don't have discretionary powers as USCIS offices do.
He does need to prove that he will not be a charge for the US so he may need to prove that he will be able to get a job (not his family).

I have had coworkers that can speak a very limited English and most of them were from Asia (in IT field). You don't need to be fluent in English to get a job. Also, slb123's English is not bad at all!

Note: English is not required for the Green Card (it is for naturalization) and Consular Offices don't have discretionary powers as USCIS offices do.
He does need to prove that he will not be a charge for the US so he may need to prove that he will be able to get a job (not his family).



In todays economy with a large percentage of unemployment not being able to speak English very well can tribute to have a harder time to obtain a job, which can cause the person to become a liability.

The more people are traveling or applying for the Gc the more the USCIS will look if the primary person can provide without becoming a liability.

The son has a good education so he should be able to get a job when he can speak English so that isn't an issue, but as the OP stated his son did a pre exam for College...how will the OP pay for College with only $ 20K in savings and no job yet....maybe he won't have an issue, but I have spoken with some great lawyers who told me due to the economy it can be harder for a family with not much funding and not speaking English very well....the wife isn't an issue at all.

I'm not stating he won't get it, but it could be harder...since part of getting it approved is "not to become a liability" which is only to USCIS to the determine.

 

[i2009]

Note: English is not required for the Green Card (it is for naturalization) and Consular Offices don't have discretionary powers as USCIS offices do.
He does need to prove that he will not be a charge for the US so he may need to prove that he will be able to get a job (not his family).



In todays economy with a large percentage of unemployment not being able to speak English very well can tribute to have a harder time to obtain a job, which can cause the person to become a liability.

The more people are traveling or applying for the Gc the more the USCIS will look if the primary person can provide without becoming a liability.

The son has a good education so he should be able to get a job when he can speak English so that isn't an issue, but as the OP stated his son did a pre exam for College...how will the OP pay for College with only $ 20K in savings and no job yet....maybe he won't have an issue, but I have spoken with some great lawyers who told me due to the economy it can be harder for a family with not much funding and not speaking English very well....the wife isn't an issue at all.

I'm not stating he won't get it, but it could be harder...since part of getting it approved is "not to become a liability" which is only to USCIS to the determine.

The son and the wife are not a problem and frankly, I don't think he has any problem either. He just needs to prove that he is not going to be a charge for the US. Do you really think that the Consular Officer is going to make it harder for him because of the economy? I would think that it could harder in case that you need a Labor Certificate but not for the DV.

Anyway, I repeat, the Consular Office don't have discretionary powers and English is not required for a Green Card.

 

[bentlebee]

The son and the wife are not a problem and frankly, I don't think he has any problem either. He just needs to prove that he is not going to be a charge for the US. Do you really think that the Consular Officer is going to make it harder for him because of the economy? I would think that it could harder in case that you need a Labor Certificate but not for the DV.

Anyway, I repeat, the Consular Office don't have discretionary powers and English is not required for a Green Card.

I'm not stating my view but what 2 immigration lawyers I happen to know, have told me...too many people are already unemployed so they check better to avoid people to become a liability...

 

[i2009]

I'm not stating my view but what 2 immigration lawyers I happen to know, have told me...too many people are already unemployed so they check better to avoid people to become a liability...

They might have talked about the Labor Certificate (for employment-based AOS) where the sponsor needs to prove that there are no other citizen or legal resident suitable for the job position.

I bet the lawyers that you know have never had a CP case to represent.

Anyway... I am not going to continue with this discussion. I don't see the point to worry people with the English thing, that's all

 

[bentlebee]

They might have talked about the Labor Certificate (for employment-based AOS) where the sponsor needs to prove that there are no other citizen or legal resident suitable for the job position.

I bet the lawyers that you know have never had a CP case to represent.

Anyway... I am not going to continue with this discussion. I don't see the point to worry people with the English thing, that's all

Oh yeah they did and they charge $1750.- to do the whole process. They aren't the local small immigration lawyers from a small office. One is from NY and has succesfully defended a very famous artist from the UK when he was almost deported and this case lasted 4 years, but he won...(maybe you can try to google it....one of the most famous music artist)

the other is from Miami and does nothing else than immigration and many DV lottery cases. He charges $250.- for a whole family to enter if they don't want to do it by them self.

They can tell you a lot, but most things will only be told if you pay....one thing is certain that if you haven't all your proof and USCIS might think you can become a liability your case can be a lot harder....the lawyers don't know each other but stated the same...maybe a coincidence to you, not to me. But enough said about this...some might not have any issue and others will...it also depends of the person who is doing the interview and the country you are coming from, etc...

 

[slb123]

Suppose benlee has got confused. I have started the thread as the heading "English knowledge at POE". Anyway no problem of discussing all the matters relating to the knowledge in English for a DV winner

He has misunderstood that I am the person who is having english problem. I have stated that my son need some tution in english.

I did my IT degree in English medium and there is no issue at all about my english knowledge.

Even my son , now he is 19 years old , he also can find a job and continue his studies while doing a job or else without studying he can do a job.

Next thing is I have a sponsor also , one of my friend who was well established in NY many years ago.

Other thing about money , I am not going to ask for a loan. 20,000 USD is my money available at at Central Bank (Employee provident Fund which can be withdrawn from the bank once I get the PR).

My question was jsut to know whether english is required at the POE that is all nothinbg else.. And if it will be a iuuse, so I need to come back to my home country to take my son and wife since I am going to follow "Follow-to-join" process
Anyway I have already planned to send my son for a fulltime rapid english course (3 months) since I have enough time for the interview.

 

[gasper2000]

i2009 please check your private mail.

 

[bentlebee]

Suppose benlee has got confused. I have started the thread as the heading "English knowledge at POE". Anyway no problem of discussing all the matters relating to the knowledge in English for a DV winner

He has misunderstood that I am the person who is having english problem. I have stated that my son need some tution in english.

I did my IT degree in English medium and there is no issue at all about my english knowledge.

Even my son , now he is 19 years old , he also can find a job and continue his studies while doing a job or else without studying he can do a job.

Next thing is I have a sponsor also , one of my friend who was well established in NY many years ago.

Other thing about money , I am not going to ask for a loan. 20,000 USD is my money available at at Central Bank (Employee provident Fund which can be withdrawn from the bank once I get the PR).

My question was jsut to know whether english is required at the POE that is all nothinbg else.. And if it will be a iuuse, so I need to come back to my home country to take my son and wife since I am going to follow "Follow-to-join" process
Anyway I have already planned to send my son for a fulltime rapid english course (3 months) since I have enough time for the interview.

I did understand that you spoke about your son, but didn't get why you were wondering about POE if you have a GC....but as I thought it was, I was right, you haven't passed the interview yet and there is where they will decide if you get the GC or not..if you get the GC you don't have to worry about POE so much and if you son is taking a crash course of English you should be fine.

 

[i2009]

I did understand that you spoke about your son, but didn't get why you were wondering about POE if you have a GC....but as I thought it was, I was right, you haven't passed the interview yet and there is where they will decide if you get the GC or not..if you get the GC you don't have to worry about POE so much and if you son is taking a crash course of English you should be fine.

Hello bentlebee,

why is that you don't concentrate on the question asked? You started to go off topic and everyone got confused. The question was clear if you go to the start of the thread.

 

[bentlebee]

Hello bentlebee,

why is that you don't concentrate on the question asked? You started to go off topic and everyone got confused. The question was clear if you go to the start of the thread.

Because I felt there was more to the question, as the OP later admitted...he didn't have the interview yet....so why would some one wonder if you can pass POE without English if you don't even have passed the GC interview....JMO.

 

[i2009]

Because I felt there was more to the question, as the OP later admitted...he didn't have the interview yet....so why would some one wonder if you can pass POE without English if you don't even have passed the GC interview....JMO.

Well, you can see 35 posts to this thread and still everyone is confused. Just answer the question asked.

BTW, the interview is not a GC interview. They give you an immigrant visa that you present at the POE. Then, they will mail you the GC. For Consular Processing there is no such thing as a GC at the POE.

 

[bentlebee]

Well, you can see 35 posts to this thread and still everyone is confused. Just answer the question asked.

BTW, the interview is not a GC interview. They give you an immigrant visa that you present at the POE. Then, they will mail you the GC. For Consular Processing there is no such thing as a GC at the POE.

DV lottery interview....