Sandy2000 said:Hi All,
I need some guidance. I got RFE where USCIS needs evidence for international recognition? What would be considered a proof of international recognition other than award of fellowships from various countries?
Thanks
Sandy
zyu said:find an international professor (not in the US) to write you a recommendation letter. in the letter he/she should mention that you are internationally recognized. btw, which center did you file your OR.
Thanks Tom. I have published in international journals like Journal of Applied Physics, Chemistry of Materials, Physica Status Solidi etc. I have published in journal published from Germany, UK, Switzerland, US, Holland (Elseiver). What evidence should I furnish for their international circulation?tom2 said:Just a letter from a foreign professor will not be sufficient. You should provide extensive evidences to establish this point.
1) Get letters from several international professors preferably spread over a broad geographical range.
2) show that your work has been cited by the scientists all over the world.
3) show that you have published in international journals, also give details about the journals showing that those are international in nature.
4) show letters of invitations from international conferences
Sandy2000 said:Thanks Tom. I have published in international journals like Journal of Applied Physics, Chemistry of Materials, Physica Status Solidi etc. I have published in journal published from Germany, UK, Switzerland, US, Holland (Elseiver). What evidence should I furnish for their international circulation?
You can find lot of information about this issue from GCFY. In their kits they have described in great detail how to establish that you are recognized internationally. Since you have published in well known international journals like JAP, Physica Status Solidi etc I think you can make a very strong reply. To show the International nature of journal, provide a list of its editors and emphasize that they belong to different countries and geographical regions. For instance for journal of applied physics you can take the printout of following page:http://jap.aip.org/jap/staff.jsp#board highlight the names of editors and their countries.Sandy2000 said:Thanks Tom. I have published in international journals like Journal of Applied Physics, Chemistry of Materials, Physica Status Solidi etc. I have published in journal published from Germany, UK, Switzerland, US, Holland (Elseiver). What evidence should I furnish for their international circulation?
alex2 said:You can find lot of information about this issue from GCFY. In their kits they have described in great detail how to establish that you are recognized internationally. Since you have published in well known international journals like JAP, Physica Status Solidi etc I think you can make a very strong reply. To show the International nature of journal, provide a list of its editors and emphasize that they belong to different countries and geographical regions. For instance for journal of applied physics you can take the printout of following page:http://jap.aip.org/jap/staff.jsp#board highlight the names of editors and their countries.
If you have published any paper in Solid State Communications, you can take the printout of:http://authors.elsevier.com/JournalDetail.html?PubID=230&Precis=DESC. You can do similar things for other journal papers.
You should also write a covering letter for each of your paper. It should read something like:"Physica Status Solidi is an international medium for the publication of current communications on significant developments in condensed matter science, giving scientists immediate access to important, recently completed work. The journal publishes original experimental and theoretical research on the physical and chemical properties of solids and other condensed systems and also on their preparation"
GCFY describes lot of small small things which can make real difference. Don't rely on your attorney fully, no attorney can make a better reply than you can do yourself.
zhul said:One should emphasize about the Impact Factor etc if the journal really stands high in this list. Since I am from the field of Materials Physics/Chemistry background I can tell that JAP, Chemistry of Materials, Physica Status Solidi etc are just average kind of journals and they do not stand high in the list. If somebody has papers in Nature, Science, or even APL then only one should emphasize about this impact factor business. In Sany2000's condition I believe Alex2's suggestions look more reasonable.
As far as the question of whether one should hire an attorney or not, a lot has been discussed in this forum. In EB1 and NIW cases hiring an attorney is a total waste. Still we will have to do all the things. They cost a lot, you can click here to see how much will you have to pay to attorney:
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Sandy2000 said:Would the brochure stating that Chemsitry of Materials is Ranked #1 Journal in Materials Science (based on last 10 years of citation), and APL and JAP are ranked #1 and #2 journal in APplied Physics be helpful. Of course the advertisements by AIP and ACS sites the ISI Essential Science Indicators citation index in the brochures
alex2 said:Yes, it will definitely be useful. But keep in consideration that USCIS has asked you for evidence of international recognition. They have not raised any objection about your exceptional/outstanding abilities. So keep focussed. Each and every document you submit with your response should point towards this aspect. Just by proving that the journals in which articles are published are high ranked, it can not be eastablished that person has international recognition. I know a case in which USCIS rejected a case saying that "...the definition of Impact Factor is not well defined in law. We have seen cases where journals carry impact factors as high as 50, so an impact factor of 5.6 can not be considered high..."
You should remember that USCIS adjudicators are not scientists like us, they have very little understanding about these things. So prepare your response in a way that even a layman can appreciate that.
honkman said:I agree that impact factors and editorial boards and so on are just one point of many. To have a successful case you need to show several different examples of your international recognition. In my opinion the by far most important evidence are several very good written recommendation letter from established scientist in your field which have no direct connection to you. If you can get these letters I think you have very good chances of success
alex2 said:Now I agree with honkman. But from my own experience I would suggest not to hire an attorney. They do absolutely nothing for too much money. Just discuss things in this forum, or atmost if you like, buy a DIY kit. But again all DIY kits are also not equally good. I bought my kit from greencardforyou.com, that is really an excellent resource of information. I got another kit from my friend which is of usaia.org, this one is a bogus one.
Why are you forcing so much for lawyers? I wonder whether you are one of those, or may be u get some commission from them. so many of our freinds have gotten their green cards by self petitioning but you are continuously insisting to go to lawyer.honkman said:I know this discussion about lawyers happens often in this forum but I suggest to Sandy2000 that you should in any case at least ask other people about their experience with immigration lawyers and visit 2-3 to get your own impressions iii. .......Instead a laywer was very helpful in terms of reference letters, even if he don't know science he ........changed several good letters to make them excellent letters
I suggest Sandy2000 to buy one kit and visit several lawyers ......
honghui said:Why are you forcing so much for lawyers? I wonder whether you are one of those, or may be u get some commission from them. so many of our freinds have gotten their green cards by self petitioning but you are continuously insisting to go to lawyer.
honkman said:I am not insisting on a lawyer but simply made a good experience. And If you read the whole thread you will see that I just said that everybody should look for all possibiltities (I said you should buy a kit and visit a lawyer) And honghui, if you critizise me why don't you do the same for Alex2 who is always saying to never go for a lawyer and so giving the impression that lawyers can never help you. Which is as wrong as saying lawyers always help you.
P.S. As written above I am not a lawyer or get any money from them. Would be good, honghui, if you read the whole threat before posting
honghui said:Lawyers take so much money. Why should we pay them? I want to do self petition.