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DV 2023 AOS (Adjustment of Status) Only

gvbri3ll said:
Yes, I looked and it seems like some of ASC take walk ins and I will try to do it on Monday. And, yes, I will update it soon. Thank you
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Was that before or after your post asking about if there are other folks who did a bio walk-in?
 
jdoe2 said:
How many visa are left? 46042 issued, 459 AP, 800 AOS. 7700 visas left. 6500 scheduled in August and 5500 in September along with 5000 in 221G. Is this correct? Where is the visa for AOS then?
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I don’t think anyone has an answer for this. Seems there are only two options:

a) CPers do have a reserved visa and they’ll just bust through the cap like they did last year. If the cap isn’t actually enforced then there would be no reason to start denying AOS cases due to exhaustion. We know that some AOS cases have received their visa after the point at which they over-scheduled/reserved CP cases, so why would the AOSers who are left be cut off at some arbitrary point between now and end of FY2023?

b) There are no reserved visas for anyone (including CPers) and the cap is enforced. Then it will just come down to who - out of 221g, AOS, and CP - will be interviewed or processed before the cap is met. At that point they’d not only have to shut down IVAMS but also start cancelling scheduled CP interviews. Seems like there would be a lot of unhappy people.
 
Britsimon said:
To address the outrageous or impossible comment. I should probably have made things more clear.

We know that AOS cases rely on the assignment of a visa from the IVAMS system, and that only happens during or after the IO has approved the case (i.e. interview or the point at which the interview is waived).

We have long believed that CP cases are assigned a visa when the interview notice is sent - which is weeks before the interview. We know there is a "recycling process" to reclaim and reallocate visas at the end of each month from the embassies where the visas are left unused (due to refusals, 221g or no shows).

So - with what we believed to be the case it is possible that the cap could be enforced by KCC based on scheduled interviews, and that would remove the availability of visas from IVAMS.

HOWEVER. In the world I describe, it should have been possible to identify that they were overscheduling in DV2022, and therefore they should have avoided exceeding the 55k cap. We knew they were doing it before the end of September, and yet they kept scheduling interviews and in the end they busted the cap by about 1000 issuances (including AOS).

In DV2023, they have scheduled too many new cases. If they clear/issue 221g cases in August (which I believe they will), they will certainly create a re-run of DV2022 - they will be faced with exceeding the cap again, or cancelling interviews (in September). It is that certain - either exceed the cap or cancel interviews. No other possibility.

So - this challenges what we thought we knew - i.e. that they exercise careful control of the visa numbers and do that by "reserving" visas for scheduled CP cases. But that doesn't explain how they screwed up in DV2022 (which I assumed to be last minute chaos), or why they are screwing up again in DV2023 (when they have much more time to control things better). So - that makes us question the whole theory of CP getting reserved visas. Maybe something changed. Maybe it never existed. Maybe it does exist but the staff can't count.

Why is all this important for AOS - because the unavailable visas in IVAMS thing only makes sense for a country cap, a region cap, or a global cap, but regional/global caps would rely on the reserved visa theory. If visas are NOT reserved, then there is no justification to deny an AOS case at this point based on exhausted visas (apart from Algeria).
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Thanks for expanding on this. The 'outrage' was aimed at the fact that KCC have put themself in a position where they will either be a) breaking the law (breaching the global cap), or b) creating a situation where those who were current months ago, and are either awaiting an interview or decision, are denied a visa well before the end of FY2023 purely because KCC f'ed up and over-scheduled. It's a shitshow either way imho.

If the scenario where CP cases are reserved a visa is true, then shouldn't visas instantly become unavailable in IVAMS for AOS cases the moment scheduled CP cases breach 55,000? In theory there are no available visas left at that point, but we know that AOS cases have been approved since then. Where do those visas come from? It can't be visa number 55,001 if they want to enforce the cap.
How do they decide the date at which visas are made unavailable in IVAMS if it's not tied to the amount of scheduled CP cases? I've looked at the thread from 2017 and it seems that the global cap hadn't been reached at the point those AOS cases received denials.

Setting aside over-scheduling CP cases, considering the fact that for two years in a row now they seem to have a hard time controlling the numbers, wouldn't it make sense for there to be some mechanism where KCC can know how many AOS cases there are in a given year and then schedule CP cases accordingly? AOSers have either submitted a DS-260 and/or DV payment so it's not as though it's an unknown. Surely it wouldn't be that hard to say "hey guys we're aware of 1000 AOS this year so that leaves 54,000 visas available for CP cases". I'm not sure if it's a coincidence but didn't they breach last years cap by roughly the same amount as approved AOS cases? Seems as though that mechanism would've come in handy if that were the case.
 
Silverfox said:
Thanks for expanding on this. The 'outrage' was aimed at the fact that KCC have put themself in a position where they will either be a) breaking the law (breaching the global cap), or b) creating a situation where those who were current months ago, and are either awaiting an interview or decision, are denied a visa well before the end of FY2023 purely because KCC f'ed up and over-scheduled. It's a shitshow either way imho.

If the scenario where CP cases are reserved a visa is true, then shouldn't visas instantly become unavailable in IVAMS for AOS cases the moment scheduled CP cases breach 55,000? In theory there are no available visas left at that point, but we know that AOS cases have been approved since then. Where do those visas come from? It can't be visa number 55,001 if they want to enforce the cap.
How do they decide the date at which visas are made unavailable in IVAMS if it's not tied to the amount of scheduled CP cases? I've looked at the thread from 2017 and it seems that the global cap hadn't been reached at the point those AOS cases received denials.

Setting aside over-scheduling CP cases, considering the fact that for two years in a row now they seem to have a hard time controlling the numbers, wouldn't it make sense for there to be some mechanism where KCC can know how many AOS cases there are in a given year and then schedule CP cases accordingly? AOSers have either submitted a DS-260 and/or DV payment so it's not as though it's an unknown. Surely it wouldn't be that hard to say "hey guys we're aware of 1000 AOS this year so that leaves 54,000 visas available for CP cases". I'm not sure if it's a coincidence but didn't they breach last years cap by roughly the same amount as approved AOS cases? Seems as though that mechanism would've come in handy if that were the case.
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You're asking some questions for which we don't have answers. I don't understand why they are having a hard time sticking to the cap and making things more transparent. I have a FOIA request in on this exact topic - but by the time I know more DV2023 will be over.

Regarding your last paragraph, they clearly don't reserve any visas for AOS. It's the poor stepchild in the minds of DoS. Last year the AOS number was 1590, while they exceeded the cap by about 900.
 
Hi @Sm1smom,

I read this in an old post: "After NOA and before bio-metric, I chatted with Emma 3 different times (difference of 2-4 weeks) submitted one inquiry request (through USCIS website) but nothing helped. Finally, I got a chance to speak with the Tier-2 officer last week. Although he did not sound helpful on the phone, he created a service request to NBC which actually helped me to receive my biometric appointment today."
My questions are:
1) Do you suggest me to submit a service request through the USCIS website? If so, is this the link https://egov.uscis.gov/e-Request/Intro.do? Should I click on Case outside normal processing time?
2) How can I talk to the Tier-2 officer so that he can create a service request to NBC to also help me get my biometric appointment?
3) Or at this point, based on current conversations about visa exhaustion, would it be better to directly initiate a congressional case service request?

Thank you for your help!
 
Britsimon said:
You're asking some questions for which we don't have answers. I don't understand why they are having a hard time sticking to the cap and making things more transparent. I have a FOIA request in on this exact topic - but by the time I know more DV2023 will be over.

Regarding your last paragraph, they clearly don't reserve any visas for AOS. It's the poor stepchild in the minds of DoS. Last year the AOS number was 1590, while they exceeded the cap by about 900.
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So last year they only gave those 900 AOS cases greencards and 690 AOS cases left without a result?

I want to be sure of this because before I started AOS, my consultant and many others told me that AOS is the best option if you can. What I am seeing now it really is not. (I am a selectee from Turkey btw, already had troubles from Ankara embassy).
 
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AM7 said:
Hi @Sm1smom,

I read this in an old post: "After NOA and before bio-metric, I chatted with Emma 3 different times (difference of 2-4 weeks) submitted one inquiry request (through USCIS website) but nothing helped. Finally, I got a chance to speak with the Tier-2 officer last week. Although he did not sound helpful on the phone, he created a service request to NBC which actually helped me to receive my biometric appointment today."
My questions are:
1) Do you suggest me to submit a service request through the USCIS website? If so, is this the link https://egov.uscis.gov/e-Request/Intro.do? Should I click on Case outside normal processing time?
2) How can I talk to the Tier-2 officer so that he can create a service request to NBC to also help me get my biometric appointment?
3) Or at this point, based on current conversations about visa exhaustion, would it be better to directly initiate a congressional case service request?

Thank you for your help!
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In general when referencing another post, it helps to quote the actual post against doing a copy and paste into your own post. Using the forum “Quote” button for the intended post enables us to see the context in which that specific post was written. The context of each post matters. Anyway, in this specific situation even though you copied and pasted the post as against “quoting” it, I’m able to deduce your situation does not fall within the parameters of the actions described there. You’re not in the same or similar situation the writer of that post was in when that action was taken.

1. If this was an option you can utilize, I would have already directed you towards it. Your case is not outside of the normal processing time, even for a DV case. You’re however free to explore it if you think it can be of help.
2. You describe your situation to a Tier 1 agent and if they think your case warrants a Tier 2 callback, they’ll let you know. (My response 1 above still applies though).
3. You can do that if you like. You however might want to be mindful of misusing what could be a one time opportunity for utilizing case inquiry assistance considering getting the bio letter is not the last step of the DV based AOS process.
 
Sm1smom said:
In general when referencing another post, it helps to quote the actual post against doing a copy and paste into your own post. Using the forum “Quote” button for the intended post enables us to see the context in which that specific post was written. The context of each post matters. Anyway, in this specific situation even though you copied and pasted the post as against “quoting” it, I’m able to deduce your situation does not fall within the parameters of the actions described there. You’re not in the same or similar situation the writer of that post was in when that action was taken.

1. If this was an option you can utilize, I would have already directed you towards it. Your case is not outside of the normal processing time, even for a DV case. You’re however free to explore it if you think it can be of help.
2. You describe your situation to a Tier 1 agent and if they think your case warrants a Tier 2 callback, they’ll let you know. (My response 1 above still applies though).
3. You can do that if you like. You however might want to be mindful of misusing what could be a one time opportunity for utilizing case inquiry assistance considering getting the bio letter is not the last step of the DV based AOS process.
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Hi @Sm1smom,

Thank you for your reply. I apologize, I didn't know about the use of the "Quote" button.
When I spoke to the agent telling her that I had not yet received my biometrics letter, she replied something like: "I don't see any updates but I see that your case is in queue." When I asked her what "your case is in queue" meant, she said again: "I don't see any update" :(
Is this good news or bad news? Or is it just something they say to close the conversation?

Thank you!
 
Vega2000 said:
So last year they only gave those 900 AOS cases greencards and 690 AOS cases left without a result?

I want to be sure of this because before I started AOS, my consultant and many others told me that AOS is the best option if you can. What I am seeing now it really is not. (I am a selectee from Turkey btw, already had troubles from Ankara embassy).
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Not a best option its so slow . Just i m thinking this is overrated option i have ever seen if you re doing aos by coming to USA from abroad.
 
Britsimon said:
You're asking some questions for which we don't have answers. I don't understand why they are having a hard time sticking to the cap and making things more transparent. I have a FOIA request in on this exact topic - but by the time I know more DV2023 will be over.

Regarding your last paragraph, they clearly don't reserve any visas for AOS. It's the poor stepchild in the minds of DoS. Last year the AOS number was 1590, while they exceeded the cap by about 900.
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Why are you so concerned they will go over the 55k. You keep calling it illegal. Why is going over the 55k and enabling more winners get visas your worry?. I genuinely want to know sir
 
AM7 said:
Hi @Sm1smom,

Thank you for your reply. I apologize, I didn't know about the use of the "Quote" button.
When I spoke to the agent telling her that I had not yet received my biometrics letter, she replied something like: "I don't see any updates but I see that your case is in queue." When I asked her what "your case is in queue" meant, she said again: "I don't see any update" :(
Is this good news or bad news? Or is it just something they say to close the conversation?

Thank you!
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Neither bad nor good news. It simply is an accurate standard response - case in queue means they’re yet to schedule the appointment.
 
Hi all, I had my biometrics on 1st August. However, I haven't received the interview appointment letter yet. I'm unsure whether I should continue waiting patiently or consider going with a congressional inquiry. According to the live agent, my case is still at NBC. Also, I'm concerned about the visas running out.
 
Hi Mom/others that may have done this:
I'm looking for advice on writing to my Field Office. What are some tips for writing an effective letter and also how did you know exactly what address to use? I guess I need to write to the New York (Manhattan) office now that LA kicked my case back to NBC.
Oh also, is there any harm writing a letter to both LA and NY?

Any help appreciated! Thanks all
 
Dear mom, today I got a message that my file has been received. I think after 16 17 days,
the message states that a mail will be sent to me with the information needed.
1)where can I find my FO?
2)also, how can I request for an access to the spreadsheet to add my timeline?

3) Do you recommend any case inquiry with congress man now? or any other moves for me at this time to help?
Thank you
 
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I live in Illinois and when I put my zip code they give me a field office in a random city in Iowa instead of Chicago. Is that accurate? or will I find out when I get my IL?
 
Hey guys, I had my biometrics appointment on August 2nd and I'm currently waiting for the interview letter (Field Office Atlanta).

I reached out to a live agent to inquire about the status, and the response I received was as follows: "A decision regarding your interview has not been made. At this time, it has not been decided as mandatory for your case. Your case is with the National Benefit Center. NBC has your case listed as a Diversity Visa case and is aware that the end of the Fiscal year is approaching. NBC is aware that you're in the Diversity Visa queue."

I'm wondering if this is a standard response for all cases or if it's specific to mine. I'm unsure whether I should continue waiting patiently or if it's worth considering a congressional inquiry. Also, I am worried about the visas running out.
 
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milkypantz said:
Hi Mom/others that may have done this:
I'm looking for advice on writing to my Field Office. What are some tips for writing an effective letter and also how did you know exactly what address to use? I guess I need to write to the New York (Manhattan) office now that LA kicked my case back to NBC.
Oh also, is there any harm writing a letter to both LA and NY?

Any help appreciated! Thanks all
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The exact mailing address for each FO can found on USCIS's website: (scroll down to the Field Office Locator at the bottom of the page)

Right now, we're only guessing your case got sent back to the NBC because it needs to get forwarded to New York, we do not know for certain if that is indeed the case at this point. So I honestly cannot advise as to which FO you should be writing to.
 
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