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DV 2021 ALL SELECTEES

wskamel said:
@SusieQQQ , when does KCC historically send 2NL during the month ? I remember @Britsimon mentioned in a video that it comes in two batches per month , I can't find the video to check the approximate dates
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We normally see one batch sent a few days after the VB and the second batch sent just before the month end. However, there is a lot that is not normal at the moment - so wait and see.

The 2NLs sent in early March can be thought of as February 2NLs.
 
Hello all, I’m planning to submit my DS260 this week. Can you please tell me list of civil documents that I need to submit. Thanks in advance.
 
coffeemonster said:
Did you guys know about this:
(April Visa Bulletin Youtube Live)

The guy from the State Dept just said he expects all regions to go current by June?! Did I hear that correctly? Around 15 minutes in.
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Can't seem to edit my post for some reason, but the timestamp in question is 13:50.

He actually said he expects all regional cut offs to be current no later than June, so maybe there will be exceptions for some countries.
 
Hello all, I am holding dual citizenship Macedonian and Bulgarian. I plan to send the documents these days because I have not yet received an email from KCC. Since I have not lived in Bulgaria and I have Bulgarian citizenship, will I have to send a police certificate (I don't have this document at the moment) and a passport?
 
Hi everyone,

EU13xxx here.

We sent the DS-260 on the 23rd of January, received a request for documents on the 29th of January, and sent the documents on the 5th of March.
Since then, we just received the automatic confirmation from the KCC, but no "ready for scheduling email".

Is this just a matter of waiting?

We also attached with each original document a certified English translation (e.g., Document1: 1st-page original birth certificate, 2nd page certified translation of birth certificate). Would that be ok, or should have we just sent the original documents?
 
ilekralev said:
Hello all, I am holding dual citizenship Macedonian and Bulgarian. I plan to send the documents these days because I have not yet received an email from KCC. Since I have not lived in Bulgaria and I have Bulgarian citizenship, will I have to send a police certificate (I don't have this document at the moment) and a passport?
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Do you meet the requirements as listed on the civil documents page, to send a police certificate for Bulgaria? If not, not necessary.
No, you don’t need to provide a passport for Bulgaria (assuming you used your other one to enter DV).
 
SusieQQQ said:
Do you meet the requirements as listed on the civil documents page, to send a police certificate for Bulgaria? If not, not necessary.
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the country of nationality if they resided there for more than 6 months
I have a citizenship since 2016 but I have not resided there so I guess it is not necessary.
Thank you!
 
I’m not making much sense of the prediction that all numbers will go current when we had over 132k selectees for DV2021. If this is indeed going to be the case, against all historical precedents when we’ve had total selectee numbers anywhere near that, then in my mind it either means the response rate was really low vs history or that they are still going to be facing capacity constraints at embassies and are physically not going to be able to interview everyone who actually wants a visa. Interested in any other thoughts on the matter.
 
SusieQQQ said:
I’m not making much sense of the prediction that all numbers will go current when we had over 132k selectees for DV2021. If this is indeed going to be the case, against all historical precedents when we’ve had total selectee numbers anywhere near that, then in my mind it either means the response rate was really low vs history or that they are still going to be facing capacity constraints at embassies and are physically not going to be able to interview everyone who actually wants a visa. Interested in any other thoughts on the matter.
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Britsimon posted a video where he discussed it:


Basically he doesn't think it should happen for similar reasons to what you said.

I suppose we also need to consider the fact that they have never made public announcements like this before, so we don't really have anything to compare it to. How common is it for Charlie Oppenheim to be wrong in his projections? Maybe it happens every year for all we know. But he has been there for a long time apparently and he is the guy who produces the VB. This year is different, but one has to expect that he knows that.

As someone who is elligible for AOS and has a fairly high case number, I obviously want to be current. It's very frustrating to know that I am not blocked by any of the bans, but I can't proceed just because other people can't proceed. But then, I am one of those people who thinks that if the person behind you on the plane is ready to get off, and you're not, you should get back in your seat and not block them. Which is a pretty unpopular opinion ;)
 
I’m one of those rare people who would much rather read something than watch a video, was there anything specifically other than the points I raised?

To your last point - well that could still happen if it goes current for embassy constraints. Schengen embassies refusing to interview is an obvious one but not a large number of selectees. Another example, Turkey is only scheduling visa interviews for Turkish nationals and residents at present. This could obviously change, but if not, it puts a big question over being able to process all the 6k Iranian selectees (I know other embassies also deal with them but I believe Ankara is the biggest). What is the status of the embassies dealing with the huge number of FSU selectees? Russia is not holding any interviews at present (6k selectees). Ukraine (5.6k selectees) is restarting interviews in April but warns they will be extremely limited. Uzbekistan (5.3k) is only scheduling “limited mission critical visa appointments“ - can DV fall under this? I can’t look up every embassy with high selectee numbers but you get the idea.This is the kind of thing that makes me think maybe they can go current, but it’s actually bad news for some countries as it means they will just physically be unable to interview many or even most DV applicants (and in the worst cases none), and it’s the visas they “should” be getting but aren’t enabling everyone else to go current.
 
SusieQQQ said:
I’m one of those rare people who would much rather read something than watch a video, was there anything specifically other than the points I raised?

To your last point - well that could still happen if it goes current for embassy constraints. Schengen embassies refusing to interview is an obvious one but not a large number of selectees. Another example, Turkey is only scheduling visa interviews for Turkish nationals and residents at present. This could obviously change, but if not, it puts a big question over being able to process all the 6k Iranian selectees (I know other embassies also deal with them but I believe Ankara is the biggest). What is the status of the embassies dealing with the huge number of FSU selectees? Russia is not holding any interviews at present (6k selectees). Ukraine (5.6k selectees) is restarting interviews in April but warns they will be extremely limited. Uzbekistan (5.3k) is only scheduling “limited mission critical visa appointments“ - can DV fall under this? I can’t look up every embassy with high selectee numbers but you get the idea.This is the kind of thing that makes me think maybe they can go current, but it’s actually bad news for some countries as it means they will just physically be unable to interview many or even most DV applicants (and in the worst cases none), and it’s the visas they “should” be getting but aren’t enabling everyone else to go current.
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I think the gist of what he said was that he thinks Charlie is operating on bad info, because KCC haven't been asking people for documents, and people haven't been sending them, so he thinks demand is low. But that might change if people start sending their documents. He also mentioned that if it does go current, then it could retrogress, which is chaotic (and I presume would be a disaster for AOS candidates too, if it retrogresses before their interview).

I don't know if that's a perfect summary but that's what I got from it.

I know it's unfair to people with lower case numbers that are obliged to do CP and can't currently make progress, and the visas that "should" be theirs might go to others. But I think it's complicated because this year is unfair to everyone who would normally have had a chance, and we can't even tell who that is for sure. I signed up to Annunciato in the hope that it might help me, but I also knew that if we got the ban struck down in November, it might have hurt me. It's just hard to know what's right in a year like this. If you don't have a green card and want one, it's impossible to be objective about it!
 
coffeemonster said:
I think the gist of what he said was that he thinks Charlie is operating on bad info, because KCC haven't been asking people for documents, and people haven't been sending them, so he thinks demand is low. But that might change if people start sending their documents. He also mentioned that if it does go current, then it could retrogress, which is chaotic (and I presume would be a disaster for AOS candidates too, if it retrogresses before their interview).

I don't know if that's a perfect summary but that's what I got from it.

I know it's unfair to people with lower case numbers that are obliged to do CP and can't currently make progress, and the visas that "should" be theirs might go to others. But I think it's complicated because this year is unfair to everyone who would normally have had a chance, and we can't even tell who that is for sure. I signed up to Annunciato in the hope that it might help me, but I also knew that if we got the ban struck down in November, it might have hurt me. It's just hard to know what's right in a year like this. If you don't have a green card and want one, it's impossible to be objective about it!
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I had thought about the documents issue, but, I would have thought that they use DS260 submission as the main signal of response rate so not sure (unless there is major miscommunication somewhere inside DoS) that the slow rate of request for documents is causing issues in the calculation.

Yeah, retrogression would be a nightmare. Other than the very early days (before my time and i only knew from the historical data that they did retrogress a few years), I can only recall one instance of one region retrogressing in one month (at least...that is my recollection of what happened). But if they publish in June to go current in August (I know people have interpreted the statement differently) then there’s not a huge amount of scope for retrogression anyway.
 
I don't think there's a good alternative. In my humble (and biased) opinion:

1) In South America for example, Venezuela, Cuba and Peru have most of the cases and they’re not really doing much, if anything at all. Same with the Schengen area (illegally…). So what can they do? Wait for those countries to open and process all of their cases? I don't think so. By all being current you allow open embassies in countries with a more manageable number of cases to process at least some cases.

2) For them, they just can say they did their best to issue as much as they could, and then blame covid if not all visas were issued, avoiding lawsuits due to delays at the NVC, which makes not much sense since they work remotely. That would be an easy win. It won't as easy to win a litigation trying to show delays in embassies around the globe.

3) For us, it will be of much help in case we get to reserve 55k visas (or any number) after Sept 30th through some litigation..

So, as long as they make sure the number of people still interested is near the 55k. It’s unfair? Yes for sure, but even with cut-off may be “unfair” that some embassies are open and processing, and others still closed.
 
@subscripciones re your second point, bear in mind there is nothing in law that says they have to issue 55k visas. No one is going to be able to sue them just because they didn’t reach the maximum allowed. There are more years in the past, including before Covid and Trump, that they fell below than that they reached max. The lawsuits they won last year were not won because they weren’t issuing “enough”, it was all about the legality of the process being followed under the ban.
 
Hi everyone! Really enjoyed reading up on the thread here. I have a question after watching Simon’s latest YouTube video where he recommends people submit their documents to KCC regardless of their case numbers.

I am looking to do this ASAP but out of 3 required documents ( birth certificate, police record, and passport copy) , there is one document that takes way longer ( extra few weeks) to obtain. In this case, should I send the the two of them first and then send the last one as soon as I obtain? Does this make any difference from submitting all of them at once later? In another word, by sending two out of there documents does this get me higher on the list to process compared to sending them all later at once? I really appreciate your thoughts here.
 
Hi guys! I've already asked Simon in the live last week, but once more just to clarify this.., my question is the next:
- Is there any problem if you include "Case number: 2021EU00009XXX" in the subject line when sending the documents, bellow is an screenshot which shows how looks the actual subject line when I've sent the documents back in 12/06/2020 (there is still no confirmation e-mail arrived, whether the documents are OK or I need to send some additional), I've already e-mailed KCC (03/01/2021) regarding my question for the documents with the appropriate subject line as required in the e-mail (CASE NUMBER NAME LAST NAME BIRTHDAY), no answer yet.
Should I resend the documents without the "Case Number", just the case number itself?

Thank you in advance!
 

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Hi guys! I've already asked Simon in the live last week, but once more just to clarify this.., my question is the next:
- Is there any problem if you include "Case number: 2021EU00009XXX" in the subject line when sending the documents, bellow is an screenshot which shows how looks the actual subject line when I've sent the documents back in 12/06/2020 (there is still no confirmation e-mail arrived, whether the documents are OK or I need to send some additional), I've already e-mailed KCC (03/01/2021) regarding my question for the documents with the appropriate subject line as required in the e-mail (CASE NUMBER NAME LAST NAME BIRTHDAY), no answer yet.
Should I resend the documents without the "Case Number", just the case number itself?

Thank you in advance!
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It is stated in their email "further dv documents"

Use your case number as the subject of the email. The maximum email size is 30MB. If the total size of your attachments is larger than 30MB, send multiple emails using your case number as the subject of each email. Please send your documents for KCC review only after you have collected all of the required documents for yourself and all accompanying family members. Send documents only to the kccdvdocuments@state.gov email address.
 
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