DV 2020 All Selectees

[curtisatlaw]

You seem to have not understand my question, so I'll try explaining again:

There's a vast difference between
1. Someone who already cleared KCC, attended an interview prior to 9/30 and been put on AP waiting for a decision
and 2. Someone who still hasn't heard back from KCC regarding status of docs, hasn't attended an interview and missed the 9/30 deadline.

You keep mentioning those in scenario 1 who will benefit from a DECISION made after 9/30.
Most of us are, however, in group 2, at a complete standstill, with no signs of change until embassies re-open.

Simply put - can INTERVIEWS (not DECISIONS on already interviewed cases) be held after Sept. 30th? Can KCC process our case after Sept. 30th?

You seem to ignore for some reason the main hurdle at this time - the closure of embassies and the ZERO interviews policy which might go on until the end of the fiscal year and beyond that. You also seem to ignore the fact that we're not in group 1 who cleared all steps and just wait for a decision. No, we're still waiting for KCC to process our documents, send a 2NL, take the physical exam and attend an interview. This is not a matter of a day or two, it's a matter of months, and we don't have this time before the year ends.

I understand your question now. We are suing the State Department for all the things that have caused delays. Both KCC and the embassies are part of the State Department, so we are asking the Judge to order the State Department to solve the problem that a State Department created. The government will argue, especially since I'm laying it out here in answer to your question, that a judge ordering KCC to process a case after Sept 30 would be a new question in law- as the settled question from the Almaqrami case was that a judge could order the visas set aside that were already at the embassy. We will argue this distinction does not matter. Important to remember that your question really only concerns mandamus positive outcome (4), as the chances for outcomes (1)-(3) improve regardless.

Also- so people do not need to look around for the 4 positive outcomes, here is the way I have most recently explained them in my telegram channel:
1) State Department issues all of participants' visas either to moot the case through dismissal, or
2) State Department issues some of the participants' visas to impress the judge (EXTREMELY LIKELY), or
3) Judge orders that visas be adjudicated prior to Sept 30. This happened in Mohamed v Pompeo last year in the Eastern District of California for some Yemeni 2019 DV lottery winners.
4) Judge orders that State Department put the visas aside in a box until they can finish administrative processing and interviews, even if it means getting to them after Sept. 30. This happened in the Almaqrami case in DC for 2017 DV winners (Yemeni and Iranian), and when the government appealed that decision, they lost. Interestingly- all the original plaintiffs in this case but one were issued a visa before Sept 22, 2017, when the ACLU attorneys added 8 additional plaintiffs, and that’s one reason why that case is still ongoing today.

 

[Airspray]

I understand your question now. We are suing the State Department for all the things that have caused delays. Both KCC and the embassies are part of the State Department, so we are asking the Judge to order the State Department to solve the problem that a State Department created. The government will argue, especially since I'm laying it out here in answer to your question, that a judge ordering KCC to process a case after Sept 30 would be a new question in law- as the settled question from the Almaqrami case was that a judge could order the visas set aside that were already at the embassy. We will argue this distinction does not matter. Important to remember that your question really only concerns mandamus positive outcome (4), as the chances for outcomes (1)-(3) improve regardless.

Also- so people do not need to look around for the 4 positive outcomes, here is the way I have most recently explained them in my telegram channel:
1) State Department issues all of participants' visas either to moot the case through dismissal, or
2) State Department issues some of the participants' visas to impress the judge (EXTREMELY LIKELY), or
3) Judge orders that visas be adjudicated prior to Sept 30. This happened in Mohamed v Pompeo last year in the Eastern District of California for some Yemeni 2019 DV lottery winners.
4) Judge orders that State Department put the visas aside in a box until they can finish administrative processing and interviews, even if it means getting to them after Sept. 30. This happened in the Almaqrami case in DC for 2017 DV winners (Yemeni and Iranian), and when the government appealed that decision, they lost. Interestingly- all the original plaintiffs in this case but one were issued a visa before Sept 22, 2017, when the ACLU attorneys added 8 additional plaintiffs, and that’s one reason why that case is still ongoing today.

Thank you for your reply, much appreciated. Again, sorry I'm being harsh, but as you said, I think it's better to face these questions in advance than to face them in court...

 

[DV2020EU44]

Does a police certificate which is issued by foreign country need apostille?

Anyone, please?

 

[Ilkin23]

Anyone, please?

You do not need apostile for any document, just certified translation is fine

 

[eu47zzz]

Anyone, please?

Is your cn Eu44xxx ,did you get confirmation email yet,cause Im eu47xxx and we have two weeks left.

 

[DV2020EU44]

eu47zzz
No I have not received confirmation yet.

For some reason, I am still staying hopeful and I am trying to have everything ready, if I get a chance to have an interview Why only two weeks? They can still process DV2020 cases in July.

Ilkin23

Thank you. Not even for interview?

 

[DV2020EU44]

I read requirements on travel.state.gov again, including country specific information and indeed apostile is not mentioned anywhere.

But in the fb group I am, everyone always suggests to bring originals and copies with apostile. That's weird.

I can't have foreign PC with apostile anyway, because that would mean to travel back to that country.

 

[Ilkin23]

I read requirements on travel.state.gov again, including country specific information and indeed apostile is not mentioned anywhere.

But in the fb group I am, everyone always suggests to bring originals and copies with apostile. That's weird.

I can't have foreign PC with apostile anyway, because that would mean to travel back to that country.

Original and copies with translation are needed in most cases to check the authenticity of the document at embassy. I have never heard of someone being required apostile. BTW, im also eu44k and no docs confirmation yet pls update us if u get anything soon )

 

[DV2020EU44]

Ilkin23

Thank you

Sure thing, I'll post here if there is any update.

 

[eu47zzz]

I read requirements on travel.state.gov again, including country specific information and indeed apostile is not mentioned anywhere.

But in the fb group I am, everyone always suggests to bring originals and copies with apostile. That's weird.

I can't have foreign PC with apostile anyway, because that would mean to travel back to that country.

Yes but to get an interview for september we should receive confirmation email by the end of june or at mos 3-4 july ,thats the problem and they reached till 33k for Eu and didnt send anymore

 

[Rahul.H]

Yes but to get an interview for september we should receive confirmation email by the end of june or at mos 3-4 july ,thats the problem and they reached till 33k for Eu and didnt send anymore

That is not true. I have read stories from previous years where people received their 2NL between the 25th or 30th of July and where scheduled for the 19th of September. Their confirmation emails where sent to them between the 10th-14th of July.

 

[Aidyn]

So what REAL news has there been about this in the past pages and pages of speculation?

Sorry guys honestly, other people may feel differently, i spend time here to volunteer to answer questions about DV. And I‘ve just reached my personal limit on wading through pages and pages of speculation to pick out genuine questions that I can informatively and usefully answer. The other forum I’m on (which to be fair has a bunch more moderators than this one) is really good at moving all speculation to one megathread on the topic of travel ban, so that the topic doesn’t clutter everything else up. The mods here don’t have time to keep cleaning threads up so I was hoping (this is not the first time I asked) you guys would listen to the reason for putting it in a separate thread, but seeing as I appear to be the only one with that view, you guys keep doing what you’re doing and I’ll check back in on 24 June once we actually do or don't have an extension. Bye till then.

@SusieQQQ you're not alone sista!! I've not been answering many questions lately either because there is so much nonsense to wade through first.

 

[eu47zzz]

That is not true. I have read stories from previous years where people received their 2NL between the 25th or 30th of July and where scheduled for the 19th of September. Their confirmation emails where sent to them between the 10th-14th of July.

If thats true thats good news about me too,you gave me hope,how perecent is tru that they got conf email between 10-14 july and got 2nls?

 

[Britsimon]

Yes but to get an interview for september we should receive confirmation email by the end of june or at mos 3-4 july ,thats the problem and they reached till 33k for Eu and didnt send anymore

That is not true. I have read stories from previous years where people received their 2NL between the 25th or 30th of July and where scheduled for the 19th of September. Their confirmation emails where sent to them between the 10th-14th of July.

You are talking about two different things, and you are both roughly correct.

EU47ZZZ was referring to the documents/ready for scheduling email. I don't believe that email itself is technically required, but up to now 2NLs have been sent to people that had documents processed by the end of the previous month. So to get a 2NL in July, you would need documents processed by the end of June - but given the year we have had it's a reasonable assumption that we could see a little wiggle room on that into early July. And I have said exactly that in some of my videos.

Now, Rahul is talking about 2NLs. Again, we know the timeline for those is that 2NLs go out before the end of each month for interviews 2 months later - meaning we would expect 2NLs for September interviews to go out by the end of July, and the interviews could be ANY time in September. Now - in some years we have seen a few (VERY FEW) cases get August 2NLs and September interviews. It's possible, not common but possible.

So - ideally people need to get documents processed by the end of this month, and those would be the September interviews - although hopefully we get a little more time than that. But that assumes embassies reopen pretty soon...

 

[Rahul.H]

If thats true thats good news about me too,you gave me hope,how perecent is tru that they got conf email between 10-14 july and got 2nls?

I know of a case where the applicant received the documents confirmation email on the 10th of July 2019 and was alotted an interview during September 2019.

The other cases that I mentioned were those I read of; where of course I have no guarantee of the level of credibility of those words written in their stories. But I would take it to be as there will be no benefit in doubting them.

Keep your morale high, look forward to the best and read the positives. I am riding in the same boat as all of the remaining DV20 winners. Best of luck to all

 

[Rahul.H]

You are talking about two different things, and you are both roughly correct.

EU47ZZZ was referring to the documents/ready for scheduling email. I don't believe that email itself is technically required, but up to now 2NLs have been sent to people that had documents processed by the end of the previous month. So to get a 2NL in July, you would need documents processed by the end of June - but given the year we have had it's a reasonable assumption that we could see a little wiggle room on that into early July. And I have said exactly that in some of my videos.

Now, Rahul is talking about 2NLs. Again, we know the timeline for those is that 2NLs go out before the end of each month for interviews 2 months later - meaning we would expect 2NLs for September interviews to go out by the end of July, and the interviews could be ANY time in September. Now - in some years we have seen a few (VERY FEW) cases get August 2NLs and September interviews. It's possible, not common but possible.

So - ideally people need to get documents processed by the end of this month, and those would be the September interviews - although hopefully we get a little more time than that. But that assumes embassies reopen pretty soon...

Thanks Simon, let's hope for the best.

 

[Raul92]

I have called KCC today to ask them if they have any news about the documents processing and the same: they can’t see the documents because of the mysterious department who is processing them.
All we can do is to wait and hope.
God bless y’all!

 

[Peince]

I have called KCC today to ask them if they have any news about the documents processing and the same: they can’t see the documents because of the mysterious department who is processing them.
All we can do is to wait and hope.
God bless y’all!

The entire DV process is mysterious , the the KCC came with a mysterious documents department to create more mysterious issue . Lol

 

[Avion]

I‘ve been trying to log into the electronic application center for days now to double-check my DS260 forms once again but it‘s not working. At first I assumed that it’s because of the DV2021 winners but I’m not sure about that anymore. The error message I receive is „Your request cannot be processed at this time“ - does anyone else have the same problem?

 

[Peince]

I‘ve been trying to log into the electronic application center for days now to double-check my DS260 forms once again but it‘s not working. At first I assumed that it’s because of the DV2021 winners but I’m not sure about that anymore. The error message I receive is „Your request cannot be processed at this time“ - does anyone else have the same problem?

Brit Simon published about this issue a few days ago , here a link you can check on what to do http://britsimonsays.com/for-people-who-cannot-submit-the-ds260-for-dv2021/