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SusieQQQ said:
See, that's the issue. DV is a tiny part of general immigration - 50000 visas a year, almost all of which are done without lawyers, vs around a million other immigrant visas a year - and many lawyers who have vast experience in other types of US immigration have only ever handled a handful of DV cases, if that, and are unaware of some of the key differences between DV and family/employment based petitions. Nevertheless you seem determined to use this guy despite already being given wrong info so I guess all that is left is to wish you best of luck for the rest of the process and hope you have smooth sailing.
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As I told you, I asked him (the secretary), about the wrong information and I am waiting for his answer tomorrow. I am curious about why this happened, unless it is something that I may have misunderstood. I don't know yet. As I told you, I will let you know what really happened (if you wish of course).

So your advice to someone would be to get rid of their lawyer and proceed on their own? Why are you writing on a lawyers' page then? I really don't get it.
 
Britsimon said:
Because, as the others have said, lawyers rarely have any idea about how DV lottery cases work.

Generally speaking, people doing consular processing don't use a lawyer, because the process is simple and the forms are simple, If someone reads and follows the instructions, there should be no issue. So - we are skeptical about lawyers that say they are expert in DV matters because that is almost always not true. They may be used to immigration, but not DV (which has some quirks). So, to us a lawyer is simply charging fees unnecessarily, typically exploiting a simple case.

Cases processed in the USA (adjustment of status) are more technically challenging because the forms are more complex and there is some complexity in what status people adjust from. Since many people in the USA had already used a lawyer for their temporary visa, some use a lawyer for their AoS case. More often than not, the lawyers introduce delay and complication. They also introduce an unnecessary expense.

As Susie points out DV is around 5% of immigration annually. 5% of the 5% are the more complicated AoS cases, and some smaller percentage of those are through a lawyer. Hence, lawyers that claim to be expert in DV are usually exaggerating.
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I understand what you are saying but I prefer some professional help. It makes me feel more secure.
 
CHME said:
I understand what you are saying but I prefer some professional help. It makes me feel more secure.
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Hello @CHME , i don't know you, but as we are all here to advice each other, my advice to you would be so simple,
Stay calm, keep your money in your pocket ( even if it's not a matter of money but a matter of no need to a lawyer ) and Open your ears, listen Carefully to @Britsimon and @SusieQQQ (and others) but those two gentle people were the most helpful to me, 3 months ago, i was such a ignorant about DV, and didn;t know whats is Case number or AOS or nothing, by asking my questions here ( and another forum where i knew Susie ), interacting with people here, and reading most of the posts, i believe and i'm sure the two of them gave me 99% truthful and professional answers( to not say 100% ) i'm so grateful to you dudes and i believe i have such a informations about DV maybe a lawyer ignore, ( it happen to me that i corrected a man living in usa 5 years now, having a channel on youtube, and do video helping the new comers and did a video on youtube and gave wrong information about chargeability country when applying for the first time, i wrote to him, he found i'm right(thankfully to many times reading here about country of eligibility and it conditions) he deleted the video and did another one that was more accurate )

All of this to say, don't have fear of listening to people trying to help you here, remember they give there own time to help. trust them, and you won't be disappointed. good luck whether with us, or with a lawyer .
 
CHME said:
So your advice to someone would be to get rid of their lawyer and proceed on their own? Why are you writing on a lawyers' page then? I really don't get it.
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Did you read the bit where I said lawyers can have vast experience in other visas but not DV? You do realise the DV forum is just one of numerous visa etc forums on this site? I don't believe the lawyer who hosts the page has ever posted anything in the DV forum btw, at least not while I have been around.
 
I guess the positive side is that while it seems a waste of money, CP is generally so straightforward that there's not much the lawyer can do to mess it up. (Although admittedly incorrect advice about documents could lead to AP which could be disastrous if near the end of the FY.)
 
At first, we had a lawyer because I thought I needed one. Thankfully, we never paid a penny as, the first time she gave us advice - and it turned out to be wrong - we got rid of her.

She is one of the best on the East Coast in visas and handled my brother's rather complicated visa situation with aplomb. She knew bugger all about diversity visas. Very few do.
 
All documents not in English, or in the official language of the country in which application for a visa is being made, must be accompanied by certified translations’’
So, no need to translate the documents. I also sent a mail to KKC just to be sure.
 
EmilyW said:
At first, we had a lawyer because I thought I needed one. Thankfully, we never paid a penny as, the first time she gave us advice - and it turned out to be wrong - we got rid of her.

She is one of the best on the East Coast in visas and handled my brother's rather complicated visa situation with aplomb. She knew bugger all about diversity visas. Very few do.
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If she was so bad, you did well to get rid of her. However, mine is specialised in exactly this kind of visas. I am not his first client. On the contrary.
 
CHME said:
All documents not in English, or in the official language of the country in which application for a visa is being made, must be accompanied by certified translations’’
So, no need to translate the documents. I also sent a mail to KKC just to be sure.
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So why did you think she'd made an error? The translation requirements are clearly stated.
Anyway yes best you use a lawyer if as you said you just took a "quick glance" at the requirements, misunderstood them and would prefer to pay someone else to read them! Best of luck for your application.
 
CHME said:
All documents not in English, or in the official language of the country in which application for a visa is being made, must be accompanied by certified translations’’
So, no need to translate the documents. I also sent a mail to KKC just to be sure.
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Hi CHME, unfortunately, I was given a blue form for not having my birth certificate translated. N my passport was returned to me. This is so bad....
 
Rathnaa said:
Hi CHME, unfortunately, I was given a blue form for not having my birth certificate translated. N my passport was returned to me. This is so bad....
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What country was this? A handful of countries do require a translation even if documents are in the official language (I know of Venezuela and non-English South African documents as two examples), but this info should be available in the country specific information pages on the website or on the relevant embassy website.
 
CHME said:
If she was so bad, you did well to get rid of her. However, mine is specialised in exactly this kind of visas. I am not his first client. On the contrary.
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This back and forth communication is quite intriguing really, what baffles me though is that it is the responsibility of any lawyer one contracts not only to manage the legal process in the best interest of the client, but also to explain to the client relevant aspects of said process. Here you have this highly specialized DV lawyer, yet obviously still do feel the need to come to this forum and ask initially rather basic, now progressing questions on the DV process? This is just fine with us and we are glad to oblige and help you out as effectively as we can, however this might well spell trouble for the DV process for your family as the lawyer you are paying seems to be failing to do at least this part of his job very well. Whatever else, please make sure your lawyer does a much better job in managing the DV process itself for you and your family. Just my 2 cents worth...;)
 
EURO2014 said:
This back and forth communication is quite intriguing really, what baffles me though is that it is the responsibility of any lawyer one contracts not only to manage the legal process in the best interest of the client, but also to explain to the client relevant aspects of said process. Here you have this highly specialized DV lawyer, yet obviously still do feel the need to come to this forum and ask initially rather basic, now progressing questions on the DV process? This is just fine with us and we are glad to oblige and help you out as effectively as we can, however this might well spell trouble for the DV process for your family as the lawyer you are paying seems to be failing to do at least this part of his job very well. Whatever else, please make sure your lawyer does a much better job in managing the DV process itself for you and your family. Just my 2 cents worth...;)
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Yep, a highly specialized lawyer who is unable to clearly explain to their client what 'current' means; how they will 'be called for the interview'; or if they will be notified soon so that the client can prepare for the interview. Yep, a lawyer specialized in DV process! :oops:
 
EURO2014 said:
This back and forth communication is quite intriguing really, what baffles me though is that it is the responsibility of any lawyer one contracts not only to manage the legal process in the best interest of the client, but also to explain to the client relevant aspects of said process. Here you have this highly specialized DV lawyer, yet obviously still do feel the need to come to this forum and ask initially rather basic, now progressing questions on the DV process? This is just fine with us and we are glad to oblige and help you out as effectively as we can, however this might well spell trouble for the DV process for your family as the lawyer you are paying seems to be failing to do at least this part of his job very well. Whatever else, please make sure your lawyer does a much better job in managing the DV process itself for you and your family. Just my 2 cents worth...;)
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As I said above, I came to this forum only because I was attracted to other winners' experiences. I have been a silent member who has been reading posts for some time now, finding everything intriguing and interesting. After all, you don't win a green card every day. However, I didn't want to post anything and to be quite honest I regret having done it. Without this meaning that I don't appreciate some of the answers that were given to me. They were polite, to the point. But unfortunately not all of them. Some were just unnecessarily and complacently sassy making me feel that when I write something here I have to apologize. This is not the case though, so I won't post anything else having to do with a question. I will continue doing what I have been doing up until now, that is, consulting a professional.

@Sm1smom , I hadn't asked my lawyer about ''current''. As far as the other things are concerned, I had asked and I had been given clear answers but I wanted to ask here as well. Unlucky inspiration. I admit it.
 
CHME said:
As I said above, I came to this forum only because I was attracted to other winners' experiences. I have been a silent member who has been reading posts for some time now, finding everything intriguing and interesting. After all, you don't win a green card every day. However, I didn't want to post anything and to be quite honest I regret having done it. Without this meaning that I don't appreciate some of the answers that were given to me. They were polite, to the point. But unfortunately not all of them. Some were just unnecessarily and complacently sassy making me feel that when I write something here I have to apologize. This is not the case though, so I won't post anything else having to do with a question. I will continue doing what I have been doing up until now, that is, consulting a professional.

@Sm1smom , I hadn't asked my lawyer about ''current''. As far as the other things are concerned, I had asked and I had been given clear answers but I wanted to ask here as well. Unlucky inspiration. I admit it.
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Sure, no problem: "Man forges his own destiny". It is obvious from your communication on this forum that acculturation would need to happen if you ever were to plan a successful move to the US - yet so be it. Smooth sailing hereon forward!
 
EURO2014 said:
Sure, no problem: "Man forges his own destiny". It is obvious from your communication on this forum that acculturation would need to happen if you ever were to plan a successful move to the US - yet so be it. Smooth sailing hereon forward!
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Thank you @EURO2014 . If everything goes well, it won't be my first time in the USA. I was on holiday in Boston, for quite a long time, and I loved, both the people and the country.
 
Whatever you do, @CHME, make sure you are in charge. Don't rely on a lawyer - however expert in DV they claim to be - to take responsibility.

Make sure your DS260 is accurate. Make sure your paperwork is in order. That's about it. And make sure that either you or your lawyer know when your case has been called for interview and what you need to do. Our aim on the forum is to make sure that every winner gets their GC. It's a concern that your expert lawyer has provided inaccurate information but it might have been a bad day on their part (and we all have bad days).

Our experts here like @Sm1smom, @Britsimon, and @SusieQQQ, speak from the perspective of having seen many DVers disappointed by the performances of their expert and highly qualified DV lawyers. It's crushing to hear of someone missing out because of advice from their lawyer which proved to be incorrect.

Especially since all of us were able to navigate the DV without assistance, given its simplicity.
 
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