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@usamommy2015 pole about your experience... Sometimes it helps to be a little 'hard headed' when you are told come next week go out then queue again and act like you have just come in.... Is it the Nairobi Office or? Funny my kids birth certs took just three weeks to get ready... I also had been approached by the watchie to speedisha thing up. Met other people who had claimed to be there for the last 6 mnths and nothing..... Going to process the kids passports hoping to go bila incidences....
 
In this country,things are not always right,things dont ran smoothly the way they should unless someone add an extra coin on top of the tax that he/she pays for for the same service.i sometime wonder what went wrong,is it a curse?Only God knows....
 
In this country,things are not always right,things dont ran smoothly the way they should unless someone add an extra coin on top of the tax that he/she pays for for the same service.i sometime wonder what went wrong,is it a curse?Only God knows....
its not a curse. it is mainly due to the low level of salaries against a high cost of living which making the people to look for ways to top up. poverty grows corruption.
 
The whole system is rotten,it is even manifested in hospitals whereby u have been a good citizen,u have obeyed the laws of the land,u have paid the tax that the government uses to to buy medicine and other equipment for public use.but surprisingly,u go to to a public hospital there is no drug at all.U are told there is no drug then u are referred to a certain private chemistry to buy same drugs that somebody has swindled from public hospital.is that high cost of living that make others embezzle excessive leaving others without basic needs?i dont think so.why cant somebody be contented with what he/she has?i think it is socialization.it doesnt matter whichever way u use to accumulate.so long as the end result is riches.that is what is killing us.....
 
UPDATE: I happened to mention to my dad what happened at the office and we were near there so he drives down there with me and i got my certificate within 5 minutes initially printed as male. I asked him if I looked like a boy? Changed to female within 2 minutes. Not a single coin given. This is the same fellow who told me birth certificate booklets are over and i should come next week. Asks me infront of my dad who told u to give a bribe? I've never seen my dad so hard headed.
 
UPDATE: I happened to mention to my dad what happened at the office and we were near there so he drives down there with me and i got my certificate within 5 minutes initially printed as male. I asked him if I looked like a boy? Changed to female within 2 minutes. Not a single coin given. This is the same fellow who told me birth certificate booklets are over and i should come next week. Asks me infront of my dad who told u to give a bribe? I've never seen my dad so hard headed.
good for u
 
Yes understood. Complaining gets you knowhere - but publicity makes things different. I dont believe the bribing would last given the right publicity.
B. Simon, you dob not know the monster you are talking about here. Not that people do not try.
If I may jog your memory a little bit, Sir Edward Clay was the British high commissioner here over a decade ago, a single incident of graft caused massive inflation and he tried to take that head on, nothing .
You wouldn't know what ordinary mortals go through, not that they dfo not try but often, you come out of it worse off.
If it was not for graft, Kenya would be up there with that Asian tigers, or ahead. that is for sure.
 
@usamommy2015 pole about your experience... Sometimes it helps to be a little 'hard headed' when you are told come next week go out then queue again and act like you have just come in.... Is it the Nairobi Office or? Funny my kids birth certs took just three weeks to get ready... I also had been approached by the watchie to speedisha thing up. Met other people who had claimed to be there for the last 6 mnths and nothing..... Going to process the kids passports hoping to go bila incidences....
You will have to work it like magic not to be late.
Nyayo house is hell.
 
its not a curse. it is mainly due to the low level of salaries against a high cost of living which making the people to look for ways to top up. poverty grows corruption.
its not a curse. it is mainly due to the low level of salaries against a high cost of living which making the people to look for ways to top up. poverty grows corruption.
Kenyan public sector salaries are not as low ad you would I imagine.
Our legislators are among the Best paid on earth.
you get to hear stories about them and a hand in the cookie jar quite often. Its a cancer
 
UPDATE: I happened to mention to my dad what happened at the office and we were near there so he drives down there with me and i got my certificate within 5 minutes initially printed as male. I asked him if I looked like a boy? Changed to female within 2 minutes. Not a single coin given. This is the same fellow who told me birth certificate booklets are over and i should come next week. Asks me infront of my dad who told u to give a bribe? I've never seen my dad so hard headed.
Maybe you ought to have him ask one or two questions in parliament about Kenyans who are likely to miss DV visas due to the dark ways of civil servants in sheria house, nyayo house and where you were today.
When I went to collect b/ certs for my kids, I made a small following of people who obstinately refused to yield.We succeeded though with a bit of patience.
 
You will have to work it like magic not to be late.
Nyayo house is hell.
The other day on JKL Moha was giving his story how they had denied his 6mnth old daughter a passport ati she needs to be vetted then he went in and they gave the passport in record time.... May God light my way as i tread through this maze that is 'Nyayo House' :)
 
By the way does having a HELB loan hamper in anyway getting the DV visa? Anyone who has been successful and had a HELB loan?
 
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Maybe you ought to have him ask one or two questions in parliament about Kenyans who are likely to miss DV visas due to the dark ways of civil servants in sheria house, nyayo house and where you were today.
When I went to collect b/ certs for my kids, I made a small following of people who obstinately refused to yield.We succeeded though with a bit of patience.
actually he was discussing this today,that all processes should have an official timeline.
 
The whole system is rotten,it is even manifested in hospitals whereby u have been a good citizen,u have obeyed the laws of the land,u have paid the tax that the government uses to to buy medicine and other equipment for public use.but surprisingly,u go to to a public hospital there is no drug at all.U are told there is no drug then u are referred to a certain private chemistry to buy same drugs that somebody has swindled from public hospital.is that high cost of living that make others embezzle excessive leaving others without basic needs?i dont think so.why cant somebody be contented with what he/she has?i think it is socialization.it doesnt matter whichever way u use to accumulate.so long as the end result is riches.that is what is killing us.....

Thanks everyone for the stories about the corruption. It isn't a total surprise - but what is a total surprise is that even among our educated group, the talk is, "yes it happens all the time but what can you do".

Everyone who takes part in corruption is part of the problem - and by everyone I mean those taking the bribes, and those giving the bribes. To participate in the corruption for your own convenience (after doing a "cost benefit analysis", of course) is every bit as corrupt as taking the bribe. What is says is that you are prepared to jump the line in front of someone poorer than you. I find that abhorrent. Make a fuss, accept the delay - do whatever you feel you can do but DON'T pay the bribes and then lament the poor state of the country. What USAMommys' father did was good and understandable (no one messes with my kids either). Hopefully he took the view that he used his position and power to get what was right, but it is all too easy for that power to become overused also - which is also a form of corruption.

Oh and by the way, since 97% of Kenyans are followers of one form of religion or another - they are ALL doing this in front of their gods. The Christians (over 70% of Kenyans) are happily ignoring the 8th commandment and so on.

Now - who are you hurting. Well as I said this corruption immediately hurts the poor, who you push back in the line with your bribe. But then it hurts the country in terms of business because businesses will know there is a bribe cost of doing business there. It hurts aid when that is needed because the aid gets diverted into rich peoples pockets. So - this hurts all of Kenya, and is a common story in Africa.

I've said before, Africa is place where politicians and pastors get fabulously wealthy, while the people are in poverty. It is disgusting to me. I'm sure there are still some honest politicians and pastors that could be spreading this message so more of "us" need to be looking at ourselves and asking are we part of the corruption.

I'm quite sure this will make some of you uncomfortable - and whilst that is partly my intention I don't mean it as a personal attack on anyone. Anyway - sorry - didn't mean to divert the thread any longer. No need for anyone to reply to this - it is about personal choices and I am not judging anyone - just frustrated that this is considered "unfixable".
 
I agree 100% that those giving bribes are part of the problem, and I have taken colleagues to task when they do things like joke about how they avoided a traffic fine by paying off a cop (yet at the same time they will complain about how corrupt the government is... And I ask, really, what is the difference between what you just did?) I too had been approached a couple of times by "thirsty" or "hungry" cops. My response was always simple: "write out the ticket, officer". Guess what- they never did - I bet because they knew I would use it to identify the officer who tried to solicit a bribe and lay a complaint.
 
Messed up.

With everything mentioned here, I can guarantee you still haven't even scratched the surface of how institutionalized corruption works in DRC... and if you did film the incident with a hidden camera, people will ask you whether your "publicity" video is showing anything new...and in the end you will be ridiculous. Publicity only works where the judiciary is able and willing to adjudicate corruption claims and apply the law, not everywhere!
 
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