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DV 2015 KENYA SELECTEES FORUM

Britsimon said:
This is so silly. You talk about State law and requiring certification, but don't mention the state or talk about what the work is. Really it sounds like complete BS. The money is barely enough to support anyone (I pay my cleaner $20/hr) and has no relationship to the money you initially discussed. You are obviously a dreamer and have zero credibility. No business person would take the approach you have (and I speak from 30 years of business experience). I have no idea why we haven't banned you already because you are clearly not someone trustworthy.
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Good the story ended boring like nigerian movies. I had never seen a real life scammer poaching, do people fall for those lines, People have offerred invaluable advice on this forum we feel like paying them and you tell us you are paying someone a minimum wage who has not yet got a green card, if its not arranged marriage, its drugs, mods forgive my jamaican but i had a friend conned the same way, Thx moderators for the protection, we are forever grateful for this service,
God bless you so much.
 
So I went to the birth certificate office and guess what over a month later still no certificate. Seriously, these people are rude and literally begging for bribes. If you don't have a birth certificate start now. Last minute mtasumbuliwa.
 
usamommy2015 said:
So I went to the birth certificate office and guess what over a month later still no certificate. Seriously, these people are rude and literally begging for bribes. If you don't have a birth certificate start now. Last minute mtasumbuliwa.
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How do they ask for bribes - are they subtle - or just open about it?
 
Britsimon said:
How do they ask for bribes - are they subtle - or just open about it?
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The first time I went the security guard said he knew someone who could speed things up if I bought him tea. The tea cost 30 times the official fee so I passed. Besides I had time. Since then Ive been going every week to be told come next week. Funny thing is there are huge banners outside the door that say do not bribe for your right and a replacement should take no more than 2 days.
 
usamommy2015 said:
The first time I went the security guard said he knew someone who could speed things up if I bought him tea. The tea cost 30 times the official fee so I passed. Besides I had time. Since then Ive been going every week to be told come next week. Funny thing is there are huge banners outside the door that say do not bribe for your right and a replacement should take no more than 2 days.
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Amazing. In these days of pinhole cameras I'm amazed people aren't filming those suggestions and getting the people fired. Let a few people lose their jobs because of asking for bribes and see what happens....
 
My dads a member of parliament. If I wanted his office couldve called and arranged for the birth certificate. Its a lost case, Kenya and corruption. I drive down to the office in my ac car. I ve seen women who walk miles to the office with children on their backs only to be told come next week. Theyre still way better than the traffic cops as well as Asian police so at least we aren't that bad.
 
Britsimon said:
Amazing. In these days of pinhole cameras I'm amazed people aren't filming those suggestions and getting the people fired. Let a few people lose their jobs because of asking for bribes and see what happens....
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Dear Britsimon-san, sounds like you are quite unfamiliar with some developing countries' inbred corruption. You do not have to film, everyone knows what is happening behind every bureaucratic door on every level. When corruption is systematic, extortion/bribery is expected and accepted.
 
Sensei-san said:
Dear Britsimon-san, sounds like you are quite unfamiliar with some developing countries' inbred corruption. You do not have to film, everyone knows what is happening behind every bureaucratic door on every level. When corruption is systematic, extortion/bribery is expected and accepted.
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And quite idealistic actually to think that filming it does anything to change the pattern :(
 
Sensei-san said:
Dear Britsimon-san, sounds like you are quite unfamiliar with some developing countries' inbred corruption. You do not have to film, everyone knows what is happening behind every bureaucratic door on every level. When corruption is systematic, extortion/bribery is expected and accepted.
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Yes understood. Complaining gets you knowhere - but publicity makes things different. I dont believe the bribing would last given the right publicity.
 
Britsimon said:
Yes understood. Complaining gets you knowhere - but publicity makes things different. I dont believe the bribing would last given the right publicity.
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Really? I come from a place where it has been filmed, recorded, pubiished in newspapers, even subject of TV documentaries... And still goes on. The odd person gets a slap on the wrist, and people go around saying things like "a fish rots from the head down".
 
Britsimon said:
Yes understood. Complaining gets you knowhere - but publicity makes things different. I dont believe the bribing would last given the right publicity.
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It all will perfectly work in the developed world. Unfortunately, in developing places it is all backwards most of the time. Just like @SusieQQQ said, and I assume the media is not centrally controlled in that country.
 
SusieQQQ said:
Really? I come from a place where it has been filmed, recorded, pubiished in newspapers, even subject of TV documentaries... And still goes on. The odd person gets a slap on the wrist, and people go around saying things like "a fish rots from the head down".
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That was going to be my response, NTV made a documentary about it, but until things become more automated like the way we do the USCIS process and other online things, corruption in undeveloped nations can not go away in this day and age where the politicians are the richest people and not the smart ones or qualified. To be honest i went to kenya police for the certificate of good conduct, the gentleman told me normal process is one month and express is one week, indeed express worked, for the time being until the system go online and we reduce human interference to the minimum, corruption will still be there just make sure you are not caught in the mix because the guy can decide to go further and hold your documents without you knowing until you buy the "tea". Do a cost benefit analysis and save yourself. If our countries were perfect, we wouldn't be leaving.
 
SusieQQQ said:
Really? I come from a place where it has been filmed, recorded, pubiished in newspapers, even subject of TV documentaries... And still goes on. The odd person gets a slap on the wrist, and people go around saying things like "a fish rots from the head down".
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Sensei-san said:
It all will perfectly work in the developed world. Unfortunately, in developing places it is all backwards most of the time. Just like @SusieQQQ said, and I assume the media is not centrally controlled in that country.
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kakjose said:
That was going to be my response, NTV made a documentary about it, but until things become more automated like the way we do the USCIS process and other online things, corruption in undeveloped nations can not go away in this day and age where the politicians are the richest people and not the smart ones or qualified. To be honest i went to kenya police for the certificate of good conduct, the gentleman told me normal process is one month and express is one week, indeed express worked, for the time being until the system go online and we reduce human interference to the minimum, corruption will still be there just make sure you are not caught in the mix because the guy can decide to go further and hold your documents without you knowing until you buy the "tea". Do a cost benefit analysis and save yourself. If our countries were perfect, we wouldn't be leaving.
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Messed up.
 
SusieQQQ said:
Really? I come from a place where it has been filmed, recorded, pubiished in newspapers, even subject of TV documentaries... And still goes on. The odd person gets a slap on the wrist, and people go around saying things like "a fish rots from the head down".
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Even after getting caught with his/her hands in the till, they still get promoted where l'm from!!
 
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