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Dual Citizenship

In order to loose LPR status in USA because of permenent residency in another country you need at least to cross the border into that country. If you just sign all the papers, but do not leave US, according to US law you do not establish residency there.
 
I thought in order to maintain your LPR in the USA, you need to be entering there atleast once a year or is it not to be away more than 6 months?? What if i make an entry to the USA every once a year or twice a year while i reside in Canada?? Can i loose my residency? Raevsky, i do not understand what you mean when you say cross the border? what if i fly??? Am more interested in residing in Canada but i don't mind maintaining my US GC but my priority is to become a canadian Citizenship
 
Raevsky, i do not understand what you mean when you say cross the border?
For instance, county XXX grants you permenent residency, and you, while being physically present in the US, accept the offer and send you acceptance in writing to the department of immigration of country XXX. Then, according to the laws of country XXX you are a permanent resident there. However, you do not leave the US, or leave the US but never actually enter country XXX (travel to country YYY during your vacation). Under those conditions nothing threatens your GC. You still keep it.

However, if you get a Canadian immigrant visa, and enter Canada just for 1 day in order to establish permanent residency there, you will probably loose you GC.
 
For instance, county XXX grants you permenent residency, and you, while being physically present in the US, accept the offer and send you acceptance in writing to the department of immigration of country XXX. Then, according to the laws of country XXX you are a permanent resident there. However, you do not leave the US, or leave the US but never actually enter country XXX (travel to country YYY during your vacation). Under those conditions nothing threatens your GC. You still keep it.

However, if you get a Canadian immigrant visa, and enter Canada just for 1 day in order to establish permanent residency there, you will probably loose you GC.

Why is that? you cannot be a US resident and a canadian resident at the same time even if you spend the time required or make the entries required?
 
What if i make an entry to the USA every once a year or twice a year while i reside in Canada??
Do this and your GC is history after some time.

I dont understand why you played the lottery if you dont wanna stay in the US :mad:
 
Why is that? you cannot be a US resident and a canadian resident at the same time even if you spend the time required or make the entries required?
Of course, you can. However, if you ever enter Canada on you canadian PR documents, consider your GC abandoned. Unless you can prove you entered Canada on those papers fraudulently (then you might face criminal charges in Canada)
 
Do this and your GC is history after some time.

I dont understand why you played the lottery if you dont wanna stay in the US :mad:

I was just trying my luck as any body else would. i don't mind US but i have been there for over 10years and wanted something else different. I played lottery as i had done for many years and luckily won for 2008. i had started processing my canadian papers too by then. so far nothing has gone through so it is still too early to count my chickens but i was just looking at my priorities. my case number for US might come current in the last month which might be critical to get a interview date and i wont know how the interview will go so i dont know yet. For canada am in the process.
what i cannot understand is if USA and Cananda keep records for everyone to be able to tell am also a resident of the other country?
i know of a family which won US GC and they did not want to migrate there so they enter US once a year and still they maintain their residency status in the US.
 
Of course, you can. However, if you ever enter Canada on you canadian PR documents, consider your GC abandoned. Unless you can prove you entered Canada on those papers fraudulently (then you might face criminal charges in Canada)

what do you mean by "unless you can prove you entered Canada on those papers fraudulenty?
I would like to have both residency coz like for US GC is a one chance in a lifetime and now this one for Canada. I dont know why they had to happen at the same time.. Put yourself in my shoe and let me hear how you would deal with a situation like mine.. i always appreciate your advise..
 
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:( to dnk1

When anyone of us got GC through DV program (lottery) and travel to USA, he/she has a passport of other country (or maybe two passports) than USA and if one wants can apply for US citizenship after 5 years. If I understand correctly from LucyMo and Raevsky posts, it is not problem in this period of time (5 years) to obtain other citizenship/s different from your birth country.

On the other hand residency is something else and other rules apply so it seems you have to decide (like it or no) and choose one. Otherwise you could have problems. There are probably a lot of people immigrating to USA not directly from their birth/home countries but rather from other developed countries, where they have immigrated before (for any reason) and they might want to keep also that residency. But then you have to know the rules from that country and USA and in some cases it is not possible to keep the both.
Just decide.
 
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what do you mean by "unless you can prove you entered Canada on those papers fraudulenty?
You will have to prove in the US your enetering Canada on those papers was fraud. It seems pretty much clear. What don't you understand?

I would like to have both residency coz like for US GC is a one chance in a lifetime and now this one for Canada. I dont know why they had to happen at the same time.. Put yourself in my shoe and let me hear how you would deal with a situation like mine.. i always appreciate your advise..
But you want to live just in one country? In which one? Why do you need the other one?
 
You will have to prove in the US your enetering Canada on those papers was fraud. It seems pretty much clear. What don't you understand?

But you want to live just in one country? In which one? Why do you need the other one?

These were just two of my golden opportunities and both of the countries have procs and cons so that why i was thinking it would be better to have both of them just incase one does not work out for me. I was thinking if i could maintain the entry requirements of both and spend some time equally in both it would work out for me. Say for instance i already have a residency in Cananda and i win US GC lottery am not supposed to proceed with the processing or how does it go? or if you are a US resident, you are not allowed to apply for another residency?
 
You can live in the US and keep both for several years, provided you do not enter Canada. Until your Canadian PR expires because you are out of Canada for several years. Three or four, I do not remember.
 
You can live in the US and keep both for several years, provided you do not enter Canada. Until your Canadian PR expires because you are out of Canada for several years. Three or four, I do not remember.

But i thought you are given a time frame to enter Canada (like US 6months) before it expires.. you mean you can stay even for 3 to 4 years (whichever) before it expires. You do not need to enter within 6 months to establish your residency? I am wondering if i was already a Canadian resident and won the GC and processed and entered US to establish my residency and gone back to Canada let say after a year what effects would that have caused?
 
Keeping your permanent resident status

Your permanent resident status allows you to live in Canada, but there is also a time limit on how long you can live outside the country. To keep your status as a permanent resident, you must live in Canada for at least two years within a five-year period.
So, you can still keep your Canadian PR status for three years without entering Canada. However, if you enter Canada, you must make a decision what status you want to keep - US GC or Canadian PR. If you want to keep canadian status, show canadian papers. Most likely you will loose US GC.
If you want to keep US GC, show it. Most likely you will loose canadian status.
 
You do not need to enter within 6 months to establish your residency?
Are you talking about establishing residency in the US? Then the answer is you do, you have to enter US before the visa expires (in 6 months).
Or keeping residency in Canada? Then the answer is "you do not".

I am wondering if i was already a Canadian resident and won the GC and processed and entered US to establish my residency and gone back to Canada let say after a year what effects would that have caused?
Upon the entry to Canada you have to decide what status you abandon, and what one you keep. If entry to Canada is not your choice, you can delay loosing Canadian status to a 3-year period.
 
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Are you talking about establishing residency in the US? Then the answer is you do, you have to enter US before the visa expires (in 6 months).
Or keeping residency in Canada? Then the answer is "you do not".

Upon the entry to Canada you have to decide what status you abandon, and what one you keep. If entry to Canada is not your choice, you can delay loosing Canadian status to a 3-year period.

Just a question, how would the two countries know that am a resident of both.. By looking at my passport or what?
 
Just a question, how would the two countries know that am a resident of both.. By looking at my passport or what?

you are asking silly questions (might they have computers and some databases dont you think so), beside the thread was about dual citizenship not dual residency.
 
My CN is AF00039xxx, my medical is next week and my interview date is in August.
Please can someone help me answer this question? I live in London and I have 2 kids. Before I played the DV lottery, I had a UK permanent residence. I became a British Citizen after I sent my Form DS 230 to KCC. My kids are also British Citizens becos they were born in London. My kids and I are DUAL CITIZENS becos we still retained the Citizenship of my original country. Now, when I go for the Medical and Interview, which passport should I show them and in which passport will they stamp our immigrant visas? Do I have a choice or does the Consular Officer decide?
 
you are asking silly questions (might they have computers and some databases dont you think so), beside the thread was about dual citizenship not dual residency.

I thought all questions must be treated with respect. If you dont know anything you ask. No question is termed as silly. You should have just said they have computers and databases. Yap i know they have computers and databases but my question is if one countries keeps record of another countries residents?
 
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