Discussion: Born Citizen Vs. Naturalized Citizen.

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John Sreedhar

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Hi,

Exactly what's the difference in advantages, rights, discrimination under constitution between the two?

I read somewhere that if a naturalized citizen after becoming citizen, he can be deported if INS found if one used false evidence to obtain GC and citizenship. Other than this any other problems?

If one find guilty of terrorist activities, can they be deported? Is it true? The same do not applicable for born citizens,right? Also if one forgo his original citizenship and left only with US citizenship, to where US govt deports the person?

Any other discriminations? If one do any crime in any other country, or did appear in court, and placed in jail, how this affects one's citizenship. Does US govt (US consulate) helps the person in that country, as the person is US citizen. How does it affects the person when he return to US?

Also if a person do any small or major crime is USA other than terrorist activities, will that person still get deported? Or will he be jailed like born citizens if he found gulity.

Any other disadvantages compared to born citizens?


USCIS can revoke citizenship of a naturalized citizen. USCIS cannot revoke citizenship of a born citizen. Is this true? In what cases this is possible. If the citizenship of a naturalized person is revoked, to where the person will get deported, as his original citizenship got cancelled.

Thanks.
 
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John Sreedhar said:
(probably that's what happened in the case you described).

Thanks.
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What case are you talking about ?

Born citizens can hold the highest executive post in the country but Naturalized citizens may not. However there is talk about changing this mandate especially to accomodate one governer of a western state in the US.

Naturalized citizen can be deported only if they are also hold passports of other countries or one of the countries is willing to accept them.
 
Once you become a citizen through naturalization, you're a citizen, period. You have the same rights and responsabilities of natural born citizens (wth the sole exception that you can't be president.) The govt. can only deport a naturalized citizen in the rarest of circumstances and yes, these include whether you lied on any of your immigration paperwork, depending on the severity of the lie.
Thus, when you see the form ask a bunch of 'laughable' questions...eg. "have you ever committed a crime for which you were NOT arrested?" ; although its obvious that nobody would give a truthful response if they had, INS can use that against you if you are later (After naturalizing) convicted of a crime that you committed before naturalizing. Same goes for lying.
Thats why you've noticed some of my fellow posters on this board constantly re-iterate the importance of being 100% truthful, if you lie, depending on the lie it can really come back to bite you in the ass, even years later. Remember, there's no statute of limitations on stripping a naturalized citizen (case in point; nazi war criminals).
That being said, its rare for someone's citizenship to be stripped, it only happens in the most egrigious circumstances.
 
Sorry go_cp. I took that para from different posting and did not edit it properly. Thanks everyone for the replies.

If a person becomes citizen and not committed any crime before becoming and have not provided any flase evidence to obtain citizenship, in what situations the person can be stripped of citizenship later.

Can he be discriminated anyway compared to born citizen?

Whether can he be deported for any reason?

If that person does a crime in another country, how it affects his citizenhip status? Can the US consulate in that country supports him?
 
John Sreedhar said:
If a person becomes citizen and not committed any crime before becoming and have not provided any flase evidence to obtain citizenship, in what situations the person can be stripped of citizenship later.
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If he renounces citizenship, but that's pretty much it. Many of the laws that allowed for involuntary loss of citizenship have been struck down.

Can he be discriminated anyway compared to born citizen?
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Except for the constitutional prohibition on becoming President or Vice-President, no.

Whether can he be deported for any reason?
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You cannot deport a citizen.

If that person does a crime in another country, how it affects his citizenhip status? Can the US consulate in that country supports him?
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Why would it affect one's citizenship? Out of curiosity, what countries are you planning to commit crimes in, so I know where to avoid? ;)
 
Thanks TheRealCanadian for the answers. No I am not to make a crime. Just want to know.

Also if one become a US citizen (taking oath), is Indian citizenship cease to exist from that moment. One he no longer Indian citizen? OR do we have to send request to Indian consulate, to cancel Indian citizenship? What about Indian passport. Does it valid anymore? Do we have to return it?

Thanks.
 
Once you take an oath, Indian citizenship ceases to exist by that act. Consulate advises to send the Indian passport to them for cancellation. You may do it at the same time if you apply for Indian visa on your US passport or a PIO card. They will stamp the passport "Cancelled" and return it to you.
 
sg_orl said:
Once you take an oath, Indian citizenship ceases to exist by that act. Consulate advises to send the Indian passport to them for cancellation. You may do it at the same time if you apply for Indian visa on your US passport or a PIO card. They will stamp the passport "Cancelled" and return it to you.
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However as an aside this is not true for every passport. Some countries do not automatically strip you of citizenship when you aquire another and in fact getting rid of your original citizenship may be time consuming and even cost money!
 
I know this is an old thread but

deng890 said:
Once you become a citizen through naturalization, you're a citizen, period. You have the same rights and responsabilities of natural born citizens (wth the sole exception that you can't be president.) The govt. can only deport a naturalized citizen in the rarest of circumstances and yes, these include whether you lied on any of your immigration paperwork, depending on the severity of the lie.
Thus, when you see the form ask a bunch of 'laughable' questions...eg. "have you ever committed a crime for which you were NOT arrested?" ; although its obvious that nobody would give a truthful response if they had, INS can use that against you if you are later (After naturalizing) convicted of a crime that you committed before naturalizing. Same goes for lying.
Thats why you've noticed some of my fellow posters on this board constantly re-iterate the importance of being 100% truthful, if you lie, depending on the lie it can really come back to bite you in the ***, even years later. Remember, there's no statute of limitations on stripping a naturalized citizen (case in point; nazi war criminals).
That being said, its rare for someone's citizenship to be stripped, it only happens in the most egrigious circumstances.
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How can Barack Hussein Obama be President when he's only a "Naturalized" citizen and not "Natural" born? In order to be "Natural" born BOTH parents have to be U.S. citizens and birth has to occur in U.S....Am I missing something or has the definition of "Natural" born changed since the Constitution was written or at least since the 14th Amendment was written that distinguished between born and naturalized....?
 
Anyone born in the US is a US citizen by birth ("natural born citizen") with the only exception being children of foreign diplomats. Parents' citizenship is no longer an issue. Obama was born on US soil and therefore is a "natural born" citizen.
 
actually there were reports that suggested that he was not born in the US or that he lost his citizenship later by becoming Indonesian. News sources never investigated these claims, however, and mostly chose to ignore them.
 
MasterArcht said:
actually there were reports that suggested that he was not born in the US or that he lost his citizenship later by becoming Indonesian. News sources never investigated these claims, however, and mostly chose to ignore them.
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Just because McCain threw a couple of lies to the pot does not mean that those "reports" had any validity to them. The newspaper outlets, hungry for anything to keep them talking heads active and talking would no doubt try to uncover every little detail of Obama's birth had there been some shred of doubt about it. They're unscrupulous and don't care.

Mountain Bill, did you register here just to show your dissatisfaction with the election of Obama by hiding behind some cheap argument about "two parents need to be citizens" thereby exposing your ignorance of the law of the land? Stick to that Mountain, Bill.
 
If you want to go down that path then it's more questionable whether McCain is actually a natural-born citizen since I believe he wasn't technically born on US soil.
 
MasterArcht said:
actually there were reports that suggested that he was not born in the US or that he lost his citizenship later by becoming Indonesian. News sources never investigated these claims, however, and mostly chose to ignore them.
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Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, and therefore was a US citizen at birth. He lived in Indonesia as a child. He cannot have renounced his US citizenship because he wasn't an adult at the time. You cannot lose US citizenship received at birth except by explicitly renouncing it in front of a duly authorized representative of the US government such as a judge or embassy official.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, at the time considered US territory, he was also a US citizen at birth.

This kind of rumor-mongering is just wrong on the face of it...all it takes is to do some research and reading to understand what the facts are...I understand it is impossible to dissuade conspiracy theorists out there, but for the rest of us, facts remain facts.
 
natural-born citizen?

I don't want to take the "conspiracy theories" to the next level, but I think "birthright citizenship" is even debated here in the US; that is, whether there is any such right to citizenship for anyone born on US soil is a contested subject.
 
concert_fan said:
I think "birthright citizenship" is even debated here in the US; that is, whether there is any such right to citizenship for anyone born on US soil is a contested subject.
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It's contested as whether it should REMAIN in the constitution, but the 14th Amendment is very clear. The courts have always held that ANYONE born on US soil who is subject to US jurisdiction (ie. excluding diplomats) is a US citizen at birth.
 
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