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Khaled27

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Hello,

I just wanted to ask about something with regards to the citizenship, now i know for anyone with a green card to not break his continous residence he or she shouldnt leave the us for more than 6months, now when you arrive in the US at the Port of entry, they stamp your password (swipe it, or swipe the green card, etcc.), what about when i leave the US? How do they keep track if they dont swipe or stamp it when i leave? Through other arrival stamps in other countries?
 
The airline swipes the green card and the information is electronically submitted along with sending the passenger manifest to them.
 
I want to ask the same thing Mr. Ghori to all the people asking the "How" question, some how people think they can be a smart Alec and beat the system, wake up people we are 9 years past 9-11 all the things you are thinking now, have been thought over and system has been put in place. Just do what's right and steer clear of any trouble that you will possibly face if you do otherwise.
 
They have these neat new-fangled things like computers and databases. I hear they can keep track of lots of information this way.
 
namecheckvictim said:
The airline swipes the green card and the information is electronically submitted along with sending the passenger manifest to them.
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I am not sure about this. GC is not needed when you depart from USA. They can swipe your
passport but since passport is not issued by USA how do they link it up with your records in USCIS
 
It's a very valid question and has been asked numerous times with no definitive answer. My experience recently was this. My old passport had expired and I was traveling on a new passport with no stamps, just my GC. He swiped the GC, then pretended to look for information on his computer. A few minutes later he realized I had a new passport. He then asked for the old passport, and proceeded to study it in detail. I'm sure this is where he figured out the last arrival stamp in India and then did a quick calculation and said, oh, you were gone for so long (more than 6, less than 12) months. I said yes, and gave him an explanation of why I was gone that long.

He said ok, you better not be gone this long again, and I said yet. But he immediately wrote along with the arrival stamp the number of months I was gone. So, there's no way to really tell if he actually saw my flight info (which I personally doubt, considering there are millions of records of people in the system, and for any computer to quickly sift throught that stuff and track the exact flight info is possible but unlikely), or he simply saw my old passport and put 2+2. What if I had said my old passport was stolen, it would have provided a more definite answer to what he does know.

I have actually tried to ask an airline employee this question whether or not they send flight manifest to USCIS, but I have yet to hear back.

WBH said:
I am not sure about this. GC is not needed when you depart from USA. They can swipe your
passport but since passport is not issued by USA how do they link it up with your records in USCIS
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GC_TRAP said:
So, there's no way to really tell if he actually saw my flight info (which I personally doubt, considering there are millions of records of people in the system, and for any computer to quickly sift throught that stuff and track the exact flight info is possible but unlikely)
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Considering that searching through hundreds of millions of records within half a second is possible on the average PC, this isn't as hard as you think.

I have actually tried to ask an airline employee this question whether or not they send flight manifest to USCIS, but I have yet to hear back.
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Any airline crossing US airspace needs to submit a flight manifest to DHS.
 
TheRealCanadian said:
Any airline crossing US airspace needs to submit a flight manifest to DHS.
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The issue os passengers can use all kinds of IDs issued by different governments in the
world. So they don't have a universal ID or anything like that. So how did USCIS can
link data provided by airline to their database?

I understand that it is OK if they do not need a 100% link. Up to 70% is good enough.
But if they want 100% coverage, I think it is very hard to do with current system
 
WBH said:
The issue os passengers can use all kinds of IDs issued by different governments in the world.
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All kinds of IDs? Well, the only kind of IDs which will work when flying IN and OUT of US is
a) US passport or green card
b) other country passport with visa (or green card which is same as previous option)
c) refugee travel permit

Drivers license, State ID will not work.

Yes, it can be hard if a person changes his other country passport. That is easily sorted by interviewing the person, or searching additional databases.

What else can they miss?
 
sanjoseaug20 said:
All kinds of IDs? Well, the only kind of IDs which will work when flying IN and OUT of US is
a) US passport or green card
b) other country passport with visa (or green card which is same as previous option)
c) refugee travel permit

Drivers license, State ID will not work.

Yes, it can be hard if a person changes his other country passport. That is easily sorted by interviewing the person, or searching additional databases.

What else can they miss?
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All IDS is figure of speech

They won't miss anything and they can get anything if they pinpoint on that particular person.
But I doubt they need to pinpoint everyone. So if one travels a lot using different passport
that is issued by other countries, I doubt USCIS simply can identify all his departure date and place
that easy. Yes they can do it if they want to. But not as easy as a click of mouse then everything
will accurately show up on computer screen.
 
The officer at the first counter at the POE might not have the time to search for additional records to link them with different passport numbers, etc. But if you are sent to secondary inspection, they have minutes to hours to sift through the data in different ways to find yours. And if you apply for citizenship, they have days to search your records if they want to.

They definitely don't have 100% of the data for 100% of the people available in an instantly accessible form. But I would expect them to have at least 50% readily available, and at least 90% if they do extended searching. Whatever the actual percentages are, you don't know what they have or don't have about you.
 
Jackolantern said:
And if you apply for citizenship, they have days to search your records if they want to.
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Still too much work. Unless a red flag is already raised, I really doubt USCIS want to spend days on
every single case. Our application fee is only something $600. and FBI fee is $75.

So even FBI will spend roughly 1 hour on everyone. I based my statement on assumption 1-hour
long search costs $50-100.
 
The thing is it would be WAY easier if they can stamp your passport on your way out when you are going through security, i know its all by computers but until they retrieve information through manifests they can just look at each individuals passport and see how long they have been out of the country. ANyways i will make sure next time they swipe my passport or green card or both when i am leaving the US.

Thanks for all the input and answers BTW, appreciated.
 
Khaled27 said:
The thing is it would be WAY easier if they can stamp your passport on your way out when you are going through security, i know its all by computers but until they retrieve information through manifests they can just look at each individuals passport and see how long they have been out of the country. ANyways i will make sure next time they swipe my passport or green card or both when i am leaving the US.

Thanks for all the input and answers BTW, appreciated.
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I agee that exit stamp should be used like many other countries. It just seems that
USA only cares about who enter but not who leave the country.

For personal records purpose, I use the entry stamp of other country as mark of levaing the USA.
That is if you leave USA, you must leave USA for another country. That country will place an entry stamp on yur passport. It may be one day apart but good enough for recording dates of entry/exit
for N400 purpose
 
WBH said:
Still too much work. Unless a red flag is already raised, I really doubt USCIS want to spend days on
every single case.
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Of course they don't spend days on every single case. But for the specific cases where they suspect something, they can search for days if they want to.
 
Khaled27 said:
The thing is it would be WAY easier if they can stamp your passport on your way out when you are going through security i know its all by computers but until they retrieve information through manifests they can just look at each individuals passport and see how long they have been out of the country.
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You're suggesting that they use an easily forged ink stamp on a document owned by a foreign government in the possession of the alien? Surely you jest.

The manifests and passport numbers are a better bet - between name, DOB and place of birth they can narrow things down a lot.
 
Khaled27 said:
The thing is it would be WAY easier if they can stamp your passport on your way out
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... I agree with TRC. Also, as long as they swipe your GC or passport, they have the information. You can expect them to also have the information from the passenger manifests although the quality of that information might be questionable as it is airline controlled and a data entry error might cause a mismatch, but nothing biggie. I think the biggest gap is in land and sea crossings and that's why the matches are not 100%.

And with the airlines now being required to prepare passenger manifests 72 hours before the flight, I think they will have even more accurate data. If used right, they might be able to get half the plane passengers to exit CBP rapidly (like waiving at Canada border) because their records matched, their profile came up clean and so on. And if they used the information right, they might just hold 10-20% people for primary and less than 1% for secondary, and all that will mostly be predefined by computers and very rarely based on the 1 minute questioning by the CBP officer. But these are dreams ... let's see how they use the information.
 
TheRealCanadian said:
You're suggesting that they use an easily forged ink stamp on a document owned by a foreign government in the possession of the alien? Surely you jest.

The manifests and passport numbers are a better bet - between name, DOB and place of birth they can narrow things down a lot.
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We are basically talking about how USCIS keep track of PRs' departure from USA not entry in to USA.

The manifests are probably requiree fro US bound airline but not foreign bound airline.
 
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