Conference call scheduled for 07/29/05

windywd

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Just got a note from my attorney that there will be a conference call between NSC and immigration attorney on July 29, 2005.

You can call your attorney to bring up your concerns, if he/she attends.

Already in the transcript:

How many additional officers NSC would assign to process I-485 after Real ID Act?
Should NSC account for cases that have not been approved but filed before the currently processing date?
What is the underlying reason to shorten the RTD from 2 years to 1 year? (Someone is STILL pissed off by that!)
The number of appeals seems to indicate mailing problem. (Applicant did not receive RFI but received Intent-to-deny notice.)

I told my attorney their firm should stress first-in and first-out, to be fair.
 
one more question

according to the result of the lawsuit, INS should report the progress of GC approval. How soon they are going to report it (I guess should be the cut-off date) and how frequently?
 
Another issue

I think the other issue that would be worth mentioning is the backdating of GCs for asylees. After they introduced the Biometrics technology, the GCs are not backdated. I don't have a lawyer who sits in these calls. Windywd, could you ask your lawyer to may be bring that issue up as well? if you don't mind.
Thanks
 
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PM,

Had a long conversation with my attorney, here is his logic Not to mention this in the conference call:

We have to have documented evidence to establish as a basis to request them to "right the wrong". There is no public written requirement for them to do so, although we know they do to some cases. The only potential issue is that they don't do this consistently, which is yet to be seen. One exception was that, Immigration believed that the 10,000 cap expired every year when unused, although there is nowhere to be found in law. The district judge ruled that it is Not Congress's "intent". But that is Not in our favor. The backdating thing is in our favor, although there is nowhere to be found in law. His opinion is that it is at Immigration's discretion. Unless we can point out that there is inconsistency, we don't have a basis to demand them to comply.
 
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Agree, we should focus on the key issue right now, i.e. how to implement the elimination of the 10,000 cap and reduce the back log.
 
windywd -

Actually it is clearly recorded that Asylees get their GC backdated one year prior to the approval date. It is in the Immigration and Nationalization ACT (INA) and you can also find it in writing in the new 'handbook' publised by the INS. A free version is available at www.uscis.gov

Hope this helps.
 
Hi, I did look up their website and found nothing particular. Any section number you can refer to me? If it is true, then we really have something we can demand them to do.
 
This is bunk. There is no such thing as discretionary backdating. Congress is very clear when it comes to green card backdating. For asylees it is one year before approval date.
 
sorry, still does not answer my question. Where is the WRITTEN authorization from "anyone". Even if it is subject to interpretation, it must have it "vague" somewhere. Sorry, we could not find anything like that.

The closest context is in INA Section 209

"(5) is admissible (except as otherwise provided undersubsection (c)) as an immigrant under this Act at the time of examination for adjustment of such alien. Upon approval of an application under this subsection, the Attorney General shall establish a record of the alien's admission for lawful permanent residence as of the date one year before the date of the approval of the application."

However, since BCIS became part of DHS, INA is pending amendment in Congress. Congress HAS NOT expressed opinion as of yet.

If there is no written authorization, then it is "discretionary".
 
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windywd said:
sorry, still does not answer my question. Where is the WRITTEN authorization from "anyone". Even if it is subject to interpretation, it must have it "vague" somewhere. Sorry, we could not find anything like that.

If there is no written authorization, then it is "discretionary".


section 209(b) of the immigration and nationality act, codified at 8 United States Code 1159(b). An attorney who says this is discretionary should NOT be an attorney.
 
Please see my amended reply.

I certainly hope it will be backdated. But, it has been "discretionary" since they moved to Homeland Security. "Attorney General" is no longer their boss and has no authority to "record" the date.
 
full text of INS regulations

8 CFR 209.2

Sec. 209.2 Adjustment of status of alien granted asylum.



The provisions of this section shall be the sole and exclusive procedure for adjustment of status by an asylee admitted under section 208 of the Act whose application is based on his or her asylee status.



(a) Eligibility.



(1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, the status of any alien who has been granted asylum in the United States may be adjusted by the director to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence, provided the alien: (Amended effective 7/6/98; 63 FR 30105)



(i) Applies for such adjustment;



(ii) Has been physically present in the United States for at least one year after having been granted asylum;



(iii) Continues to be a refugee within the meaning of section 101(a)(42) of the Act, or is the spouse or child of a refugee;



(iv) Has not been firmly resettled in any foreign country; and



(v) Is admissible to the United States as an immigrant under the Act at the time of examination for adjustment without regard to paragraphs (4), (5)(A), (5)(B), and (7)(A)(i) of section 212(a) of the Act, and (vi) has a refugee number available under section 201(a) of the Act.



If the application for adjustment filed under this part exceeds the refugee numbers available under section 207(a) of the Act for the fiscal year, a waiting list will be established on a priority basis by the date the application was properly filed.



(2) An alien, who was granted asylum in the United States prior to November 29, 1990 (regardless of whether or not such asylum has been terminated under section 208(b) of the Act), and is no longer a refugee due to a change in circumstances in the foreign state where he or she feared persecution, may also have his or her status adjusted by the director to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence even if he or she is no longer able to demonstrate that he or she continues to be a refugee within the meaning of section 101(a)(42) of the Act, or to be a spouse or child of such a refugee or to have been physically present in the United States for at least one year after being granted asylum, so long as he or she is able to meet the requirements noted in paragraphs (a)(1)(i), (iv), and (v) of this section. Such persons are exempt from the numerical limitations of section 209(b) of the Act. However, the number of aliens who are natives of any foreign state who may adjust status pursuant to this paragraph in any fiscal year shall not exceed the difference between the per country limitation established under section 202(a) of the Act and the number of aliens who are chargeable to that foreign state in the fiscal year under section 202 of the Act. Aliens who applied for adjustment of status under section 209(b) of the Act before June 1, 1990, are also exempt from its numerical limitation without any restrictions. (Amended effective 7/6/98; 63 FR 30105)



(b) Inadmissible Alien. An applicant who is inadmissible to the United States under section 212(a) of the Act, may, under section 209(c) of the Act, have the grounds of inadmissibility waived by the director (except for those grounds under paragraphs (27), (29), (33), and so much of (23) as relates to trafficking in narcotics) for humanitarian purposes, to assure family unity, or when it is otherwise in the public interest. An application for the waiver may be filed on Form I - 602 (Application by Refugee for Waiver of Grounds of Excludability) with the application for adjustment. An applicant for adjustment who has had the status of an exchange alien nonimmigrant under section 101(a)(15)(J) of the Act, and who is subject to the foreign resident requirement of section 212(e) of the Act, shall be eligible for adjustment without regard to the foreign residence requirement. (Amended 7/6/98; 63 FR 30105)



(c) Application. An application for the benefits of section 209(b) of the Act may be filed on Form I-485, with the correct fee, with the director of the appropriate Service office identified in the instructions to the Form I-485. A separate application must be filed by each alien. Every applicant who is 14 years of age or older must submit a completed Form G-325A (Biographic Information) with the Form I-485 application. Following submission of the Form I-485 application, every applicant who is 14 years of age or older will be required to execute a Form FD-258 (Applicant Fingerprint Card) at such time and place as the Service will designate. Except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, the application must also be supported by evidence that the applicant has been physically present in the United States for at least 1 year. If an alien has been placed in deportation or exclusion proceedings, the application can be filed and considered only in proceedings under section 240 of the Act. (Amended effective 4/1/97; 62 FR 10312) (Amended effective 3/29/98; 63 FR 12979) (Revised effective 7/6/98; 63 FR 30105)



(d) Medical Examination. An alien seeking adjustment of status under section 209(b) of the Act 1 year following the grant of asylum under section 208 of the Act shall submit the results of a medical examination to determine whether any grounds of inadmissibility described under section 212(a)(1)(A) of the Act apply. Form I-693, Medical Examination of Aliens Seeking Adjustment of Status, and a vaccination supplement to determine compliance with the vaccination requirements described under section 212(a)(1)(A)(ii) of the Act must be completed by a designed civil surgeon in the United States and submitted at the time of application for adjustment of status. (Revised effective 7/6/98; 63 FR 30105)



(e) Interview. Each applicant for adjustment of status under this part shall be interviewed by an immigration officer. The interview may be waived for a child under 14 years of age. The Service director having jurisdiction over the application will determine, on a case-by-case basis, whether an interview by an immigration officer is necessary to determine the applicant's admissibility for permanent resident status under this part. (Amended effective 7/6/98; 63 FR 30105)



(f) Decision. The applicant shall be notified of the decision, and if the application is denied, of the reasons for denial. No appeal shall lie from the denial of an application by the director but such denial will be without prejudice to the alien's right to renew the application in proceedings under part 240 of this chapter. If the application is approved, the director shall record the alien's admission for lawful permanent residence as of the date one year before the date of the approval of the application, but not earlier than the date of the approval for asylum in the case of an applicant approved under paragraph (a)(2) of this section. (Amended effective 7/6/98; 63 FR 30105)
 
THis is frankly a meaningless conversation.

One, the law that created the homeland security act in 2002 specifically transfered the power of the attorney general relative to immigration law to the secretary of homeland security. Second as a ministrial matter when the REAL ID Act was passed Congress amended section 209 and replaced the word
attorney general with the word secretary of homeland security secretary.

Anybody who says this is discretinary is making an absurd statement without foundation in the law.
 
windywd said:
But, it has been "discretionary" since they moved to Homeland Security. "Attorney General" is no longer their boss and has no authority to "record" the date.

This is bunk.
 
Sorry, this is stated in Federal Register "Interim" Regulation in 1998. There is no final version for this. "Interim" regulation was replaced when INA took effect in 2002 (or 2003) and INA was pending amendment in Congress.

"Federal Register Publications contain proposed, interim and final rules, as well as notices. Most rules are published first as proposals and the public is invited to comment on them before they become final and have the force of law. "
 
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Punjabi_Munda said:
I think the other issue that would be worth mentioning is the backdating of GCs for asylees. After they introduced the Biometrics technology, the GCs are not backdated. I don't have a lawyer who sits in these calls. Windywd, could you ask your lawyer to may be bring that issue up as well? if you don't mind.
Thanks


It is a software issue with their new machines. They at HQ are aware of the probelm and are working on it with their vendor. The dates in their mainframe system are properly backdated, I believe.
 
windywd said:
Sorry, this is stated in Federal Register "Interim" Regulation in 1998. There is no final version for this. "Interim" regulation was replaced when INA took effect in 2002 (or 2003) and INA was pending amendment in Congress.


Frankly more BS.
 
Oh, I am sorry. but the fact is the fact.

In BCIS's newest reference guide, containing INA, related public law, Operational Instructions, Interpretations, BCIS Policy Guidance and Federal Register, the related the section was "BLANK".
 
windywd said:
Sorry, this is stated in Federal Register "Interim" Regulation in 1998. There is no final version for this. "Interim" regulation was replaced when INA took effect in 2002 (or 2003) and INA was pending amendment in Congress.

"Federal Register Publications contain proposed, interim and final rules, as well as notices. Most rules are published first as proposals and the public is invited to comment on them before they become final and have the force of law. "


Interm rules have the force of final rules until and unless they are amended. basic adminstrative law question.

second, the code of federal regulations does not resolve this issue. They cannot change an adjustment date mere by regulation. The controlling authority is the INA. And section 209(b) mandates backdating.
 
windywd said:
Oh, I am sorry. but the fact is the fact.

In BCIS's newest reference guide, containing INA, related public law, Operational Instructions, Interpretations, BCIS Policy Guidance and Federal Register, the related the section was "BLANK".


Yes the law is the fact. and section 209(b) of the INA as amended by the REAL ID Act answers the damn question.
 
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