Citizenship and Permanent Residence Status Requirements

[Jackolantern]

I have heard about the "two passport approach".

Some countries permit two passports. One for business purposes and the other for personal visits. Or one to be used day to day and the other for ID and hence kept more tidy.

If you can get two passports from your home country. Then I heard you can use one to leave and come back in the country with the leaving stamps on it, with the other one used for the interview. As it won't have the stamps on it at interview and the field office do not have a record of the journeys taken (depends where you file), I presume, the approach permits you to put down your journeys which are in the passport only.

What nonsense are you saying? Passport stamps are not the only way that USCIS knows about your travels. Green cards are swiped when entering the country, and sometimes when exiting, and they get passenger manifests from the airlines. They don't have 100% knowledge of everybody's travels, but you don't know how much they know about your trips, and it is utterly naive to think that they won't know about a trip if they don't see it in your passport. If you do not list a trip and they find out, you will be denied for lying under oath. And maybe even deported, depending on how egregious it is.

 

[PeterPany]

Theory and Practice: get the advice right.

Well.. that is the theory isn't it?? The reality is something different, considering you cannot prove your theory and I know the reality.. I tend to believe my thoughts.

Passenger manifest and airline tracking is under taken for anti-terrorism. No body in a regional office has the systems or the needed motivation to track your flights. If they did, we would be hearing of more incidents of people being caught out. We would hear of IO's tapping away into their computers during the interview and verifying the flights, or prints outs being used for comparisons, or people being caught out for forgetting about a trip accidently. No general posting or account of that on this forum whatsoever - wonder why?

Their only point of reference is the passport. period.

 

[Jackolantern]

We would hear of IO's tapping away into their computers during the interview and verifying the flights, or prints outs being used for comparisons, or people being caught out for forgetting about a trip accidently. No general posting or account of that on this forum whatsoever - wonder why?

Their only point of reference is the passport. period.

Absolutely wrong. One person was even denied for forgetting to list a trip.

http://boards.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=282182

Ask JohnnyCash, he knows from experience that they have access to databases that have your travels without having to see your passport. They just don't have 100% knowledge of everybody.

 

[Bobsmyth]

Passenger manifest and airline tracking is under taken for anti-terrorism. No body in a regional office has the systems or the needed motivation to track your flights. If they did, we would be hearing of more incidents of people being caught out. We would hear of IO's tapping away into their computers during the interview and verifying the flights, or prints outs being used for comparisons, or people being caught out for forgetting about a trip accidently. No general posting or account of that on this forum whatsoever - wonder why?

Their only point of reference is the passport. period.

It's a known fact that USCIS has access to the IBIS database, which collects information (including exit/entry dates) from several government agencies, including DHS. Furthermore, it's false to assume that the only reference of travel for USCIS are are the stamps on your passport.

 

[PeterPany]

Thanks I will review that post. It is one example of someone saying they got caught out - wonder if there was stamps in the passport which contradicted their statements under oath?

Where are the examples of people getting the trips wrong or missing them out (deliberate or accidently) and still getting citizenship - you are not going to hear about them on this problem-based immigration board - are you?? they are home free and set.

Best way is to trail and test it yourself. Come through an airport POE and when the IO asks for how long you have been out - shorten your trip length and say "oww.. about x weeks/months" in a round about way. And see if the IO has any evidence to the contary or asks for clarification based on any evidence that he/she has. if they do, rummage through your documents and ensure you have your dates correct.

You will see for yourself they do not know (else they would not be asking). Assuming of course that the passport you present does not have entry/exit stamps from your returning country. The systems are not joined up enough - and are used for anti-big crime. I am sure if you are declaring trips to Iraq (or Columbia) on your n400 - they may well check them out.

 

[Jackolantern]

You will see for yourself they do not know (else they would not be asking).

They don't know 100% for everybody. In particular they have less knowledge about exits, because the GC is not swiped as consistently for exits as it is done for entries into the US. But that does not mean they have zero knowledge. Sometimes they know, and they just want to see if they can catch you in a lie.

 

[PeterPany]

Best way is to test it. Go through a POE and try them out - see if they catch any accidental mistaken and then correct yourself if they do.

I think you will be surprised at how little they know. If enough people did this and posted their experience we would soon have a sample from which to draw some conclusions about the information POE and IOs generally have to counter claim n400 applications or how long you can stay out for.

 

[Bobsmyth]

Testing to see if CBP catches your "accidental mistake" by purposely fudging your entry dates is a very bad idea to say the least.

 

[Bobsmyth]

Where are the examples of people getting the trips wrong or missing them out (deliberate or accidently) and still getting citizenship - you are not going to hear about them on this problem-based immigration board - are you?? they are home free and set.

Any undisclosed trips that would have had an effect on your physical presence and/or conditional residency would subject any approved application to potential review and denationalization in the future.

 

[Jackolantern]

Best way is to test it. Go through a POE and try them out - see if they catch any accidental mistaken and then correct yourself if they do.

POE doesn't prove anything, as the naturalization interviewers don't necessarily use the same system. In addition, for naturalization they have lots of time before and after the interview to query all sorts of records if they want to.

 

[PeterPany]

Any undisclosed trips that would have had an effect on your physical presence and/or conditional residency would subject any approved application to potential review and denationalization in the future.

Don't think anyone has been denationalized. Think they tried to do it once and failed. Just what I heard from an attorney.

 

[PeterPany]

POE doesn't prove anything, as the naturalization interviewers don't necessarily use the same system. In addition, for naturalization they have lots of time before and after the interview to query all sorts of records if they want to.

It’s possible. But if the POE IO's do not know how long you are out, you can at least return with trips longer than 6 months without having to fight a rebuttable presumption of abandonment, or worse still your greencard getting ripped up in front of you at the port of entry.

 

[Jackolantern]

It’s possible. But if the POE IO's do not know how long you are out, you can at least return with trips longer than 6 months without having to fight a rebuttable presumption of abandonment, or worse still your greencard getting ripped up in front of you at the port of entry.

You don't know how much they know at the POE or the natz interview. If you want to lie at the POE and/or the interview, you're on your own and you will bear the risks and consequences. Don't come here asking about how to get away with fraud.