can i go to my original country
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I don't agree
Faysal,
I agree with you that if "YOU" go back to your COP, it means you got asylum through false claim.
I don't agree with you that if "EVERYONE ELSE" goes back to his respective COP, it means he/she got asylum through false claim.
In my asylum application, for example, I stated clearly that I don't feel threatened by the government but by some other etnic groups and that the government is either unable or unwilling (most likely) to provide me protection from those groups. I repeated the same in person at my asylum interview.
Now, if I renew my NP and go to my COP (which I never did nor intend to) for a limited time period no one can say, not even you, that my asylum status was obtain through fraud. The same applies for other people who got their asylum based on persecution because of their sexual orientation, religious affiliation, marriage that violates some tribal codes, etc. Thankfully, USCIS recognizes that.
You Faysal and some other people just can't get it, do you? I guess it is the old thing "If I cannot do it, why should other people be able to"
faysal said:
Faysal,
I agree with you that if "YOU" go back to your COP, it means you got asylum through false claim.
I don't agree with you that if "EVERYONE ELSE" goes back to his respective COP, it means he/she got asylum through false claim.
In my asylum application, for example, I stated clearly that I don't feel threatened by the government but by some other etnic groups and that the government is either unable or unwilling (most likely) to provide me protection from those groups. I repeated the same in person at my asylum interview.
Now, if I renew my NP and go to my COP (which I never did nor intend to) for a limited time period no one can say, not even you, that my asylum status was obtain through fraud. The same applies for other people who got their asylum based on persecution because of their sexual orientation, religious affiliation, marriage that violates some tribal codes, etc. Thankfully, USCIS recognizes that.
You Faysal and some other people just can't get it, do you? I guess it is the old thing "If I cannot do it, why should other people be able to"
Alex_e38 said:
Alex: I uderstand what you are saying. Each person's situation is different. But what I want you to understand is, how does this whole debate started. This forum is for asylees and share experiences. What would you say if someone says to you what are the consequences of going back to COP? That is the question we are debating not a specific case; yours, mine, or others. The question: if you come to this country and asked for asylum and you have a valid national passport with 10 visas from your national country stamped on it and a greencard, at the citizenship interview how would explain the adjudcator that you qualify for citizenship. That is the debate...
Welll ...
Easy,
just tell the truth.
There are no mandatory consequences, it depends, if your asylum was fraud based you may have consequences, if your asylum was fact based there are no consequences for going back to COP.faysal said:
That is exactly why you are wrong. You can only debate specific case to determine the consequences, you cannot debate in general what are the consequences because there are no 'general' consequences. You are trying to give a 'one size fits all' answer.faysal said:
faysal said:
Easy,
just tell the truth.
wantmygcnow
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I don't blame Faysal for his comments, he is just talking as to what he thinks & what is logic to him. The thing is anyone who is/was not an asylee(for e.g, triplecitizen) & any outsider will say what TripleCtizen said that how can you go to COP if you were an asylee??
It says as somoene pointed out that "you are all permanent residents now, no matter how you attained that status" but it also says in the book somewehre that if that status was attained by fraud, it may be taken away. Is going back to COP considered fraud? I do not know. That is for USCIS to determine. Neither you or I were in charge of handling Alex's or Faysal's or anyone else's case so we can't determine what is right or wrong. Usually Asylee adjustment took so long that by the time you got your GC , your COP was free & democratic....
Comparing Asylee GC's to marriage-based GC's, does it mean that if you attained your GC by marrying a US Citizen, you need to be married to him/her forever? In Immigration law, after 2 years you have to prove that the marriage was not a "fraud" but lets say after 5 years, you want a divorce..does it mean you can NEVER divorce because you got your GC because of marriage?
Again it is USCIS who will determine with due cause what is right and wrong. USCIS officers at port of entry get offended when you show them a document ISSUED by themselves which I think may have gone through more security checks than getting a NP from your COP...however they still demand "National Passport"....They are trained that way..The current rule says that...If RTD is shown, give trouble, if NP is shown, say "Welcome Home"..
If tommorow, USCIS says all ex-asylees are required to show RTD, then they may start asking that.
Things change. Countries Change. People Change. We should all chill & do what is right and what USCIS tells us. If it isn't right in your mind, you shouldn't really do it. If you don't think going back to COP is good for you then DON't GO but dont be offended if someone else goes back to COP.
It says as somoene pointed out that "you are all permanent residents now, no matter how you attained that status" but it also says in the book somewehre that if that status was attained by fraud, it may be taken away. Is going back to COP considered fraud? I do not know. That is for USCIS to determine. Neither you or I were in charge of handling Alex's or Faysal's or anyone else's case so we can't determine what is right or wrong. Usually Asylee adjustment took so long that by the time you got your GC , your COP was free & democratic....
Comparing Asylee GC's to marriage-based GC's, does it mean that if you attained your GC by marrying a US Citizen, you need to be married to him/her forever? In Immigration law, after 2 years you have to prove that the marriage was not a "fraud" but lets say after 5 years, you want a divorce..does it mean you can NEVER divorce because you got your GC because of marriage?
Again it is USCIS who will determine with due cause what is right and wrong. USCIS officers at port of entry get offended when you show them a document ISSUED by themselves which I think may have gone through more security checks than getting a NP from your COP...however they still demand "National Passport"....They are trained that way..The current rule says that...If RTD is shown, give trouble, if NP is shown, say "Welcome Home"..
If tommorow, USCIS says all ex-asylees are required to show RTD, then they may start asking that.
Things change. Countries Change. People Change. We should all chill & do what is right and what USCIS tells us. If it isn't right in your mind, you shouldn't really do it. If you don't think going back to COP is good for you then DON't GO but dont be offended if someone else goes back to COP.
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Punjabi_Munda
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That's what I'm talking about..
Thanks Want, now we just need to get that point across to a few people.
Thanks Want, now we just need to get that point across to a few people.
faysal said:
Ok Faycal ,I noticed that you don't learn from your past experience.
Last time, I explained to you that we don't say get an asylum based on homosexuality , we say based on being homosexual but the best term is based on sexual orientation , another thing HOMO is not a status is a situation of being. so you are 100 percent wrong.
Now, talking about the asylee and green card holder.
You said, an Asylee will be always an asylee even he/she gets his/ her green card if that is true ,why in the name of Allah , GOD , BUDDHA ...
they don't give you a green card instead of an Asylum???? they should give u a green card the first time u applied for asylum... right ???? but No
they give you the asylum to become an asylee and then you have to wait one year to apply for ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS.
and of course all the documents that they asked for and then u have to wait form .3...whatever years to get your green card.
So , people go crazy during this period yourself u said it was a relief and every time when some one get a green card u congratulated them why?
an asylee and green card are the same why then u congratulated them ????
u told them welcome to America u can sleep in peace now ? why ? because you know that a green card holder and an asylee are completely different status.
yes they are , so now during the adjustment of status the IOs check your documents ,name , every thing so now if they think there is a fraud of your asylum claim or something wrong going on they send your file to your district office to have an interview with an IO and then if they found u guilty they revoke your asylum and u will get an order of deportation against you .
TO EXPLAIN TO YOU MORE .
THE US ARMY, NEED PEOPLE WHO SPEAK ARABIC TO JOIN THEM AS LINGUISTIQUE ANALYST OR INTERPRETER.
SO LOT OF IRAQIS WHO ONCE WHERE ASYLEE OR REFUGEES JOIN THE ARMY THEY WENT BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY WHERE THEY WERE PERSECUTED AND THEY STILL.
BUT THE ARMY REQUIRED A GREEN CARD HOLDERS OR US CITIZEN AGAIN A GREEN CARD HOLDERS
NOT ASYLEES EVEN IF THAT ASYLEE HAS A TRAVEL DOCUMENT AND IS AN EXPERT IN BOTH LANGUAGES ,BUT NO THEY DON'T RECRUIT THEM UNLESS THEY ARE A GREEN CARD HOLDERS. BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CANT GO BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY ,UNDER THE ASYLUM STATUS EVEN TO SERVE AMERICA . BUT THEY CAN GO BACK IF THEY HAVE A GREEN CARD.
(U CAN JOIN THEM OR WORK FOR THEM AS A CONTRACTOR .)
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hi everyone, i am new in this forum, and i found this is in deed an awesome forum. thumbs up 
i can see the debt here is ;" is it ok for GC holders with category cs6, 7 8 to visit their POC? renew their passport? . I'd like to share my personal experience. i did both. i had renewed my passport twice. and went back to POC once. I was not even questioned in term of why went back or encounted any problem because of my renewed passport, in fact it was not even mentioned during my citizenship interview.
i have few other friends who had also renewed their passports and back to poc, and had no problem during their interviews.
only sharing my and my friends experiences.
Good luck to u all.
i can see the debt here is ;" is it ok for GC holders with category cs6, 7 8 to visit their POC? renew their passport? . I'd like to share my personal experience. i did both. i had renewed my passport twice. and went back to POC once. I was not even questioned in term of why went back or encounted any problem because of my renewed passport, in fact it was not even mentioned during my citizenship interview.
i have few other friends who had also renewed their passports and back to poc, and had no problem during their interviews.
only sharing my and my friends experiences.
Good luck to u all.
zeropoint said:hi everyone, i am new in this forum, and i found this is in deed an awesome forum. thumbs up
i can see the debt here is ;" is it ok for GC holders with category cs6, 7 8 to visit their POC? renew their passport? . I'd like to share my personal experience. i did both. i had renewed my passport twice. and went back to POC once. I was not even questioned in term of why went back or encounted any problem because of my renewed passport, in fact it was not even mentioned during my citizenship interview.
i have few other friends who had also renewed their passports and back to poc, and had no problem during their interviews.
only sharing my and my friends experiences.
Good luck to u all.
Zeropoint: You have the final word on this discussion. If you renewed your national passport and went to your country of persecution, got your citizenship no one can speak after you. This have been lacking this experience, and thank you for sharing your experience.
However, laws of this country are unpredictable. Last week, I went to the department of licesing in my city to help someone who didn't speak English. He had permit instruction and he wanted to get an appointment for driver's lisence test. The lady took his permit instructions, and issued him a driver's license. How would I explain this. I don't know. he could be a lucky man; the law could be like that;
Final note: I hope you are genuine person; not a member using double identity to score a point..........
Punjabi_Munda
Registered Users (C)
Bravo...
Bravo, Zeropoint. Contrary to your screen name, you have a big point and I appreciate you sharing with us. May be this can eliminate a lot of doubts in a lot of people minds. See, I knew it all along that it will be OK. So this should stop the paranoia......
Bravo, Zeropoint. Contrary to your screen name, you have a big point and I appreciate you sharing with us. May be this can eliminate a lot of doubts in a lot of people minds. See, I knew it all along that it will be OK. So this should stop the paranoia......
Punjabi_Munda
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Doctor
Faysal, go see a doctor. You have what we call, the "Depophobia". It is fear of being deported.
Faysal, go see a doctor. You have what we call, the "Depophobia". It is fear of being deported.
Ok Faycal ,I noticed that you don't learn from your past experience.
Last time, I explained to you that we don't say get an asylum based on homosexuality , we say based on being homosexual but the best term is based on sexual orientation , another thing HOMO is not a status is a situation of being. so you are 100 percent wrong.
Now, talking about the asylee and green card holder.
You said, an Asylee will be always an asylee even he/she gets his/ her green card if that is true ,why in the name of Allah , GOD , BUDDHA ...
they don't give you a green card instead of an Asylum???? they should give u a green card the first time u applied for asylum... right ???? but No
they give you the asylum to become an asylee and then you have to wait one year to apply for ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS.
and of course all the documents that they asked for and then u have to wait form .3...whatever years to get your green card.
So , people go crazy during this period yourself u said it was a relief and every time when some one get a green card u congratulated them why?
an asylee and green card are the same why then u congratulated them ????
u told them welcome to America u can sleep in peace now ? why ? because you know that a green card holder and an asylee are completely different status.
yes they are , so now during the adjustment of status the IOs check your documents ,name , every thing so now if they think there is a fraud of your asylum claim or something wrong going on they send your file to your district office to have an interview with an IO and then if they found u guilty they revoke your asylum and u will get an order of deportation against you .
TO EXPLAIN TO YOU MORE .
THE US ARMY, NEED PEOPLE WHO SPEAK ARABIC TO JOIN THEM AS LINGUISTIQUE ANALYST OR INTERPRETER.
SO LOT OF IRAQIS WHO ONCE WHERE ASYLEE OR REFUGEES JOIN THE ARMY THEY WENT BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY WHERE THEY WERE PERSECUTED AND THEY STILL.
BUT THE ARMY REQUIRED A GREEN CARD HOLDERS OR US CITIZEN AGAIN A GREEN CARD HOLDERS
NOT ASYLEES EVEN IF THAT ASYLEE HAS A TRAVEL DOCUMENT AND IS AN EXPERT IN BOTH LANGUAGES ,BUT NO THEY DON'T RECRUIT THEM UNLESS THEY ARE A GREEN CARD HOLDERS. BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CANT GO BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY ,UNDER THE ASYLUM STATUS EVEN TO SERVE AMERICA . BUT THEY CAN GO BACK IF THEY HAVE A GREEN CARD.
(U CAN JOIN THEM OR WORK FOR THEM AS A CONTRACTOR .)
Last time, I explained to you that we don't say get an asylum based on homosexuality , we say based on being homosexual but the best term is based on sexual orientation , another thing HOMO is not a status is a situation of being. so you are 100 percent wrong.
Now, talking about the asylee and green card holder.
You said, an Asylee will be always an asylee even he/she gets his/ her green card if that is true ,why in the name of Allah , GOD , BUDDHA ...
they don't give you a green card instead of an Asylum???? they should give u a green card the first time u applied for asylum... right ???? but No
they give you the asylum to become an asylee and then you have to wait one year to apply for ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS.
and of course all the documents that they asked for and then u have to wait form .3...whatever years to get your green card.
So , people go crazy during this period yourself u said it was a relief and every time when some one get a green card u congratulated them why?
an asylee and green card are the same why then u congratulated them ????
u told them welcome to America u can sleep in peace now ? why ? because you know that a green card holder and an asylee are completely different status.
yes they are , so now during the adjustment of status the IOs check your documents ,name , every thing so now if they think there is a fraud of your asylum claim or something wrong going on they send your file to your district office to have an interview with an IO and then if they found u guilty they revoke your asylum and u will get an order of deportation against you .
TO EXPLAIN TO YOU MORE .
THE US ARMY, NEED PEOPLE WHO SPEAK ARABIC TO JOIN THEM AS LINGUISTIQUE ANALYST OR INTERPRETER.
SO LOT OF IRAQIS WHO ONCE WHERE ASYLEE OR REFUGEES JOIN THE ARMY THEY WENT BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY WHERE THEY WERE PERSECUTED AND THEY STILL.
BUT THE ARMY REQUIRED A GREEN CARD HOLDERS OR US CITIZEN AGAIN A GREEN CARD HOLDERS
NOT ASYLEES EVEN IF THAT ASYLEE HAS A TRAVEL DOCUMENT AND IS AN EXPERT IN BOTH LANGUAGES ,BUT NO THEY DON'T RECRUIT THEM UNLESS THEY ARE A GREEN CARD HOLDERS. BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CANT GO BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY ,UNDER THE ASYLUM STATUS EVEN TO SERVE AMERICA . BUT THEY CAN GO BACK IF THEY HAVE A GREEN CARD.
(U CAN JOIN THEM OR WORK FOR THEM AS A CONTRACTOR .)
TortFeasor
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Hell and damnation!
1. Triple Citizen: I cannot believe it. So you would bear arms for the US against Pakistan and Canada? On behalf of Pakistan, I declare total Jihad on you - Fatwa on you my brother! On behalf of Canada, I ban you from attending any hockey games. Do not you ever think of running to Canada when the draft gets re-instituted in this great U S of A!
2. Faysal: what in the hell is going on! Chill out and breath the fresh air, smell the coffee, make love!
3. Zeropoint: would you like to set up an InfoPass appointment with the INS and seek explanation as to why on earth they did not ask you about your travels to your COP during your citizenship interview? I am sure there must have been a mistake and you better get that clarified now or otherwise, when you turn 67 and retire, they may deny your social security and Medicare benefits because 40 or so years ago, before you became a US citizen, you had the audacity to use your NP and travel to your COP. Just my two cents!
Cheerio
1. Triple Citizen: I cannot believe it. So you would bear arms for the US against Pakistan and Canada? On behalf of Pakistan, I declare total Jihad on you - Fatwa on you my brother! On behalf of Canada, I ban you from attending any hockey games. Do not you ever think of running to Canada when the draft gets re-instituted in this great U S of A!
2. Faysal: what in the hell is going on! Chill out and breath the fresh air, smell the coffee, make love!
3. Zeropoint: would you like to set up an InfoPass appointment with the INS and seek explanation as to why on earth they did not ask you about your travels to your COP during your citizenship interview? I am sure there must have been a mistake and you better get that clarified now or otherwise, when you turn 67 and retire, they may deny your social security and Medicare benefits because 40 or so years ago, before you became a US citizen, you had the audacity to use your NP and travel to your COP. Just my two cents!
Cheerio
Triple Citizen said: