can a refugee return to his home country ?

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hisham la tog3ad etfayeeek eb rasyy !!

all the forum memebers here in the form didnt judge nor asked anything the only thing they done is by helping and saying there opionions , its a shame that a fellow countryman have only this reply to say , you can never judge other people neither know what is there situation unless your god!

i didnt work with americans like you and even if i would i cant judge whats your situation becoz its your life but for sure if you asked somthing and i could help i would , so if you jelous from your other friends becoz they are returning to work with us and make lots of money while you cant make anymore money its not my fault as i'm a doctor and faraway from your situation and cant say anything about it

its your life so either you help or shut up and dont give us a headach :(
 
well first of all I'm a journalist, 2nd of all I have no friends who went back to work in Iraq cuz they are already dead, 3rd of all why should I be jealous when I'm having a great life here and making ever more money from my job back home ? everybody would love to live at his own home country but for one reason or another they cant and therefore they ask for asylum, and yes its a shame that a fellow country man who say that he is a refugee because he will not be safe at his country but at the same time want to find a way to go back there, I'm smelling something fishy here!!!!

the US has a limit of the people they can admit as a refugee/asylum and by taking a spot when you don't need it ( cuz if you do why would you be thinking of going back? ) is just like killing the person that you took his place. correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Hisham2005 said:
well first of all I'm a journalist, 2nd of all I have no friends who went back to work in Iraq cuz they are already dead, 3rd of all why should I be jealous when I'm having a great life here and making ever more money from my job back home ? everybody would love to live at his own home country but for one reason or another they cant and therefore they ask for asylum, and yes its a shame that a fellow country man who say that he is a refugee because he will not be safe at his country but at the same time want to find a way to go back there, I'm smelling something fishy here!!!!

the US has a limit of the people they can admit as a refugee/asylum and by taking a spot when you don't need it ( cuz if you do why would you be thinking of going back? ) is just like killing the person that you took his place. correct me if I'm wrong.
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First of all, we need to understand the difference between Refugee and asylee. It is true that both are the same and different. Both have to meet the difinition for a refugee. The difference is where you get your status. If you get your refugee status outside of the US borders, it is considered to be a refugee status. For example, if you are an Iraqi and your case is processed in Syria, you will be considered a refugee. On the other hand, if you for a one way or another make your way into the US and you ask for a refugee status within the US borders then your status is considered an asylee. In both cases, the applicant must prove that he/she has a credible fear if he goes back to his country. however, the laws here are more lenient on people with refugee status. I have never heard of anyone with refugees status who had a problem returning back to their original country.

MR. Hisham2005: take it easy. even if you worked with the US in your country, still if you want there are many ways you can sneak back into your country and help both the US and your people. You don't need to give up your country for those who want to kill you. As we know, Iraq is a very dangerious place now not only you but for many other people.

As far as the fellow who is asking the questions from the middle east, welcome buddy. If you come here as I said, you are love it. you are ganna be here forever...there is no need of finger pointing....

And finally as I said, if you get refugee status you will have no problem travelling if you have money....and remember, in the case of Iraq, there are immigrations that apply to Iraqis that may not apply to other refugees, so becareful

Good luck
 
Mr. Faysal

we both know that there is a lot of ways to go back to COP, for me I'm an asylum here in the US, but for Mr. cooldoc80 he is not even a refugee yet, he will be I guess he have a case with the UN or as many other Iraqis a special program called IOM, I'm not really sure what is called cuz I'm an asylum and not a refugee, anyway, what I'm saying is: if your threatened in you home country, why would wanna go back there? I mean it doesn't make sense. Either you wanna leave the country and go somewhere else or stay at your country, right?
 
Hisham2005 said:
Mr. Faysal

we both know that there is a lot of ways to go back to COP, for me I'm an asylum here in the US, but for Mr. cooldoc80 he is not even a refugee yet, he will be I guess he have a case with the UN or as many other Iraqis a special program called IOM, I'm not really sure what is called cuz I'm an asylum and not a refugee, anyway, what I'm saying is: if your threatened in you home country, why would wanna go back there? I mean it doesn't make sense. Either you wanna leave the country and go somewhere else or stay at your country, right?
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Mr. Hisham2005: your point is wellunderstood, and it makes sense; however, on this forum we try to avoid to be political. We don't judge people's motivation. We try to be helpful to each other in navigating US immigration laws. We all have our own believes as to why people seek asylum; and here in the US US immigrations laws matter, and ultimately it is going to decide who gets asylum status and who get refugee status. and we should leave it that way...
 
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Mr. Hisham2005: your point is wellunderstood, and it makes sense; however, on this forum we try to avoid to be political. We don't judge people's motivation. We try to be helpful to each other in navigating US immigration laws. We all have our own believes as to why people seek asylum; and here in the US US immigrations laws matter, and ultimately it is going to decide who gets asylum status and who get refugee status. and we should leave it that way...
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i suggest you read above what faysal said like 1000 times although i'm sure you will still not get it , so once again everybody got his circumstances and not obliged to explain it to others especially you!!!!! so once again either you help or you shut up but i guess this will never happen with an arrogant guy like you :D notice how many days have passed and nobody commented like you did , dont you think there are others with your opinion who also dont know my situation and where thinking the same BUT THEY DIDNT COMMENT do you know why MR times magazine journalist hishaaaam ????because they dont know a specific thing that will HEEEELP and if they do the will reply thats the whole idea from a site like that but agaaainnnnn i dont think you will get it
 
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i suggest you read above what faysal said like 1000 times although i'm sure you will still not get it , so once again everybody got his circumstances and not obliged to explain it to others especially you!!!!! so once again either you help or you shut up but i guess this will never happen with an arrogant guy like you :D notice how many days have passed and nobody commented like you did , dont you think there are others with your opinion who also dont know my situation and where thinking the same BUT THEY DIDNT COMMENT do you know why MR times magazine journalist hishaaaam ????because they dont know a specific thing that will HEEEELP and if they do the will reply thats the whole idea from a site like that but agaaainnnnn i dont think you will get it
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Oh believe me I do get it.
 
You wanna came back to your COP at least for a year?
Let me ask you one simple question - Do you feel fear to coming back?
I can understand short trip for few days due the family emergency. But for a year.AT LEAST?

Man you can just go over there right now, what do you need a refugee status for? What are you waiting for? If you can handle one year, I think you will be able to handle rest of your life living in your "COP", get off the line, there is a quota for refugees.
 
well i guess after all hisham got relatives here , i'm tired to write a long explanation to you too , just go and read what i replied to hisham thanx for your help MR joe
 
guess what guys i decided to talk , because after little jhon replied i started to think there must be alot of little hisham in the world so i must explaine it or continue to have the headach from answering such persons

as many of you dont know (except for my fellow hisham) iraq is practically ethinice parts now especially in the nort a region called kurdistan which is nearly independent as an arab me and my family escaped there but i only succeded in getting refugee so my family is temporarily there due to my brothers who are college students and wont be accepted in neighboring country

so here is the sitution i already got a loan on me from iraq , i'm the supporter for the family and in jordan i can work as a doctor as i got liscence while in states i will have to study somthing called USMLE which is a loong liscence exam which takes atleast a year and a half soooooooooo once i get refugee my parents cant even hold in that part of iraq without income especially that even there they have to have a legal permist to reside and renew it every 6 months !!!! although its the same country


anyway joe and hisham i have to return to my country and try to pull my family with me plus working and studying in the same time then i could go to states becoz in that part of iraq although its totally safe but not stable at alllll for arabic ethinicity and you dont know when they are going to kick you

by the way in my refugee application i stated the same thing and the americans know very well about situation in iraq thats why they were convinced in my story and didnt refuse it and said to me go back to that part of iraq


i hope by know hisham and uncle you are satisfied and i hope i could find some helpful guys who will enlight me what to do

cooldoc80
 
Doing so you're not falling under refugee/asylee category.
Here is the thing, you are coming back to your COP for 1 and a half year after granting entry in US as a refugee. I understand you wanna support your family there, sell your property there(if any), take care of your financial needs etc and immigrate to US as a financial independent person. Smart move, but let me tell you something, most of the people who got their status as a refugee or asylee leaving their property as is. As I matter of fact me as a former asylee I left all my belongings in my COP. I was able to withdrew couple of thousands dollars from my bank account, that was it. You know why i didn't go back to my COP to sell my properties? Because it would be a one way trip. That's a fear of persecution. And you don't have one!!!
My advice to you - withdraw your application and find legal way for immigration in US or another country. There are thousands Iraqis who really can't stay in Iraq.
 
joe , its not that i can return to my country and i dont . understand it , iraq is now divided into ehinicities and the province in the north which the majority is kurdish is not my country i cant even live legally there without a residency card renewd every 6 months do you get it!!!! my home in another reagion (ARBIC ) which i havent seen in 5 years now , i wish i can sell it but it wont even bring its price becoz of the misrable security situation now , but i will for sure do that and take money to states if i get good price ... its normal for you not to understand my situation becoz your not iraqi i hope you do by now understand i cant return to my hometown as im still threatened there and the kurdish area wich is safe is not my home and they dont treat my legally as a citizent as an arab cant live without a residency card , cant work unless have a work permit and cant buy a property and even to rent a home you need the approval of the local police appartment before!!!!!!!
 
Dude, so please explain me why are you going back if you don't have the right to live/work/buy property etc?
What's the point?
I know about Iraq enough, Kurdistan is part of Iraq de facto.
Where are you from in Iraq anyway? Im very familiar with Ar Ramadi area. Been couple times in Baghdad.
 
joe the only reason i answered you and didnt answered the so called hisham is that i thought you dont know anything of iraq , but as long as you know the situation as it appears your some kind of double o seven asylee , forget it , i dont think you can offer anyhelp and whatever i explain you will continue asking some question that wont help me as i'm the one who asking here not you , i understood your point of view
 
cooldoc80 said:
joe the only reason i answered you and didnt answered the so called hisham is that i thought you dont know anything of iraq , but as long as you know the situation as it appears your some kind of double o seven asylee , forget it , i dont think you can offer anyhelp and whatever i explain you will continue asking some question that wont help me as i'm the one who asking here not you , i understood your point of view
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لذلك من أين أنت؟
 
Folks, let us keep it civil please. I have deleted a couple of posts I felt were detracting from our true purpose - sharing useful information and advice.
 
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Rajiv S. Khanna said:
Folks, let us keep it civil please. I have deleted a couple of posts I felt were detracting from our true purpose - sharing useful information and advice.
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Sir, with all due respect to you and this forum we are trying,
Unfortunately we cannot predict and avoid behavior of some members!
 
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