Automatic revalidation Question : Canada trip??

Adya

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Hi

Me & my wife both are on H1b visa but visa stamped on our passport are expired and we have new valid extension papers....Now we can't stamp H1 in USA ....Meanwhile we got the PR of canada and we have to land there to complete the process of PR ....
Somebody told me that we can visit canada for 3-4 days with the existing expired visa on passport ( with valid extension papers but not stamped) with the same I94 and don't try get the visa stamp in canada .....and he told me that it is called Automatic revalidation ...and it is allowed for canada & maxico .....
We both are from India....

Is this true ? Anybody tried this in recent months ?
Is there any risk ?
Any comment will be helpfull ....
Any expert advice ?

Thanks,
Ada
 
Adya said:
Hi

Me & my wife both are on H1b visa but visa stamped on our passport are expired and we have new valid extension papers....Now we can't stamp H1 in USA ....Meanwhile we got the PR of canada and we have to land there to complete the process of PR ....
Somebody told me that we can visit canada for 3-4 days with the existing expired visa on passport ( with valid extension papers but not stamped) with the same I94 and don't try get the visa stamp in canada .....and he told me that it is called Automatic revalidation ...and it is allowed for canada & maxico .....
---That is true search the Department of State (DOS) site
We both are from India....

Is this true ?
-YES
Anybody tried this in recent months ?
Is there any risk ?
-----Dont give your I-94 to Airline when you take flight from US to Canada it is Domestic flight
Any comment will be helpfull ....
Any expert advice ?

Thanks,
Ada
 
[Federal Register: March 7, 2002 (Volume 67, Number 45)]
[Rules and Regulations]
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DEPARTMENT OF STATE

22 CFR Part 41

[Public Notice: 3938]


Documentation of Nonimmigrants Under the Immigration and
Nationality Act, as Amended: Automatic Visa Revalidation; Interim Rule

AGENCY: Department of State.

ACTION: Interim rule; request for comments.

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SUMMARY: Due to the need for greater security screening of visa
applicants, the Department is amending the provision for automatic
revalidation of expired visas for nonimmigrant aliens returning from
short visits to other North American countries or adjacent islands to
exclude from its benefits aliens who apply for new visas during such
visits and aliens who are nationals of countries identified as state
sponsors of terrorism.

DATES: This interim rule is effective on April 1, 2002. Written
comments must be received on or before May 6, 2002.

ADDRESSES: Written comments may be submitted, in duplicate, to the
Legislation and Regulations Division, Visa Services, Department of
State, Washington, DC 20520-0106, or by e-mail to visaregs@state.gov.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Elizabeth J. Harper, Legislation and
Regulations Division, Visa Services, Department of State, Washington,
DC 20520-0106, (202) 663-1221, e-mail (harperbj@state.gov) or fax at
(202) 663-3898.

SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:

What Is the Background for This Action?

Section 42.112(d) of 22 CFR provides for the automatic revalidation
of nonimmigrant visas of aliens who have been out of the United States
for less than 30 days in contiguous territory and have an Arrival-
Departure Record showing INS approval of an unexpired period of
admission. Such aliens may be applying for readmission in the same
classification or in a new classification authorized by the INS prior
to their departure. In the latter case, the revalidation includes a
conversion to the new classification. In the case of a qualified
student or exchange visitor who has a remaining period of authorized
stay, the not-more-than-30 day absence may have been in either
contiguous territory or adjacent islands other than Cuba.

Why Is This Action Being Taken With Respect to Applicants for New
Visas?

In some cases, persons who are abroad during an absence of 30 days
or less in contiguous territory opt to apply for a new visa during that
absence in lieu of relying on an automatic revalidation. Due to the
need for greater security screening of visa applicants, which in some
cases may mean delays in the issuance of new visas, the Department of
State believes it is prudent to restrict the ability of such persons to
return to the United States prior to the completion of all such checks
and the issuance of a new visa.

Why Is it Being Taken With Regard to Visa Applicants From Countries
That Sponsor Terrorism?

In light of recent terrorist actions undertaken by aliens, some or
all of

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whom had entered the United States with nonimmigrant visas, it has
become clear that we cannot rely upon an assumption that a person who
obtained a visa for one reason still has only that reason for wishing
to return to the United States. We find a closer examination of certain
aliens seeking to enter or reenter the United States must be
undertaken. Thus, the Department finds the automatic revalidation of
nonimmigrant visas should no longer be available to individuals whose
home countries have been identified as sponsoring terrorism.

What Countries Have Been so Identified and Under What Authority?

Several laws require the Department to designate a foreign state as
one sponsoring terrorism. They are: Section 620A of the foreign
Assistance Act, Section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and Section
6(j) of the Export Administration Act. Consequently, the Department
periodically publishes a report, Patterns of Global Terrorism, updating
such designations. Currently, the designated countries are Iraq, Iran,
Syria, Libya, Sudan, North Korea, and Cuba.

Is This Intended To Be a Permanent Tightening of the Entry of
Visitors and Other Nonimmigrants?

We hope that the time will come when circumstances will permit the
restoration of this privilege to all bona fide nonimmigrants but we do
not anticipate that time being in the near future.

Regulatory Analysis and Notices

Administrative Procedure Act

The Department is publishing this rule as an interim rule, with a
60-day provision for post-promulgation public comments, based on the
``good cause'' exceptions set forth at 5 U.S.C. 553(b)(3)(B) and
553(d)(3). It is dictated by the recent terrorist attacks on the United
States and the necessity of additional controls over the entry of
aliens at this time.

Regulatory Flexibility Act

Pursuant to Sec. 605 of the Regulatory Flexibility Act, the
Department has assessed the potential impact of this rule, and the
Assistant Secretary for Consular Affairs hereby certifies that is not
expected to have a significant economic impact on a substantial number
of small entities.

Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995

This rule will not result in the expenditure by State, local and
tribal governments, in the aggregate, or by the private sector, of $100
million in any year and it will not significantly or uniquely affect
small governments. Therefore, no actions were deemed necessary under
the provisions of the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995.

Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996

This rule is not a major rule as defined by section 804 of the
Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Act of 1996. This rule will not
result in an annual effect on the economy of $100 million or more; a
major increase in costs or prices; or significant adverse effects on
competition, employment, investment, productivity, innovation, or on
the ability of United States-based companies to compete with foreign-
based companies in domestic and export markets.

Executive Order 12866

The Department of State does not consider this rule, to be a
``significant regulatory action'' under Executive Order 12866, section,
section 3(f), Regulatory Planning and Review. Therefore, in accordance
with the letter to the Department of State of February 4, 1994 from the
Director of the Office of Management and Budget, it does not require
review by the Office of Management and Budget.

Executive Order 13132

This regulation will not have substantial direct effects on the
States, on the relationship between the national government and the
States, or on the distribution of power and responsibilities among the
various levels of government. Therefore, in accordance with section 6
of Executive Order 13132, it is determined that this rule does not have
sufficient federalism implications to require consultations or warrant
the preparation of a federalism summary impact statement.

Paperwork Reduction Act

This rule does not impose any new reporting or record-keeping
requirements subject to the Paperwork Reduction Act, 44 U.S.C. Chapter
35.

List of Subjects in 22 CFR Part 41

Aliens, Passports and visas.

Accordingly, the Department of State amends 22 CFR Chapter I as set
forth below.

PART 41--[AMENDED]

1. The authority citation for part 41 continues to read:

Authority: 8 U.S.C. 1104; 8 U.S.C. 1181, 1201, 1202; Pub. L.
105-277, 112 Stat. 2681 et seq.

2. Revise Sec. 41.112(d) to read as follows:


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Sec. 41.112 Validity of visa.

* * * * *
(d) Automatic extension of validity at ports of entry. (1) Provided
that the requirements set out in paragraph (d)(2) of this section are
fully met, the following provisions apply to nonimmigrant aliens
seeking readmission at ports of entry:
(i) The validity of an expired nonimmigrant visa issued under INA
101(a)(15) may be considered to be automatically extended to the date
of application for readmission; and
(ii) In cases where the original nonimmigrant classification of an
alien has been changed by INS to another nonimmigrant classification,
the validity of an expired or unexpired nonimmigrant visa may be
considered to be automatically extended to the date of application for
readmission, and the visa may be converted as necessary to that changed
classification.
(2) The provisions in paragraph (d)(1) of this section are
applicable only in the case of a nonimmigrant alien who:
(i) Is in possession of a Form I-94, Arrival-Departure Record,
endorsed by INS to show an unexpired period of initial admission or
extension of stay, or, in the case of a qualified F or J student or
exchange visitor or the accompanying spouse or child of such an alien,
is in possession of a current Form I-20, Certificate of Eligibility for
Nonimmigrant Student Status, or Form IAP-66, Certificate of Eligibility
for Exchange Visitor Status, issued by the school the student has been
authorized to attend by INS, or by the sponsor of the exchange program
in which the alien has been authorized to participate by INS, and
endorsed by the issuing school official or program sponsor to indicate
the period of initial admission or extension of stay authorized by INS;
(ii) Is applying for readmission after an absence not exceeding 30
days solely in contiguous territory, or, in the case of a student or
exchange visitor or accompanying spouse or child meeting the
stipulations of paragraph (d)(2)(i) of this section, after an absence
not exceeding 30 days in contiguous territory or adjacent islands other
than Cuba;
(iii) Has maintained and intends to resume nonimmigrant status;
(iv) Is applying for readmission within the authorized period of
initial admission or extension of stay;

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(v) Is in possession of a valid passport;
(vi) Does not require authorization for admission under INA
212(d)(3); and
(vii) Has not applied for a new visa while abroad.
(3) The provisions in paragraphs (d)(1) and (d)(2) of this section
shall not apply to the nationals of countries identified as supporting
terrorism in the Department's annual report to Congress entitled
Patterns of Global Terrorism.
* * * * *

Dated: February 7, 2002.
Mary A. Ryan,
Assistant Secretary for Consular Affairs, Department of State.
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Thanks

Hi ginnu

Thanks for all this info ....
Now atleast We have some peace of mind that we can visit Canada without our new extension stamped on our passport ....

The I 94 we are talking about : is one I recieved when entered the US last time ( it is also expired as my stamp visa is expired) or the one which came with my extension papers ?? Which one ?

Anybody recently entered using this Automatic revalidation ? please respond ...

Thanks,

-Adya
 
Adya said:
Hi ginnu

Thanks for all this info ....
Now atleast We have some peace of mind that we can visit Canada without our new extension stamped on our passport ....

The I 94 we are talking about : is one I recieved when entered the US last time ( it is also expired as my stamp visa is expired) or the one which came with my extension papers ?? Which one ?
------ the latest I-94 that came with your H1 extension approval and is attached lower right side of Approval notice, detach that I-94 and staple in your passport( your passport will have two I-94, one WHITE that is expired and top of that the latest and Valid ) Keep the copy of your white I-94 and new I-94 (front and back of both the I-94) in your immigration file at home
Anybody recently entered using this Automatic revalidation ? please respond ...

Thanks,

-Adya
 
Hi,

I am slightly confused with this auto revalidation process. I am on H1B status but have old expired F1 stamped on passport.

If there is any delay in getting Visa in Canada/Mexico due to security check etc. do I qualify for the auto revalidation? please advise
 
Automatic Revalidation experience ...

Hi Everybody

Last week I visited canada for 3 days and came back to US using automatic revalidation....
It worked fine ....
I am on H1b but visa stamped on my passport was already expired on Jan2005 but I had valid extension papers for next 2 years ....

When I reached at US immigration in canada toronto airport..
Office asked me ...so you want to use automatic revalidation ...
I said : yes.
offcer: When did you enter Canada & how long?
I : before yesterday...(total 3 days)
Offcer: Why did you not apply for visa revalidation in toronto?
I: Because of waiting time for appointment ...I don't have appointment and I can not wait for 1 month ...
Officer: Ok ....
took the fingerprint & photograph as a regular procedure for US immigration ...and allowed me to come in ...
It was smooth process .....
I really want to thank ginnu ...who gave me all this info ...
Thanks,
-Adya
 
Hello,

I have a question, what do meant by "When I reached at US immigration in canada toronto airport", you mean at the ticket counter or is there a seperate counter of the US immigration at Toronto airport. Please confirm, as I am also planning to visit Canada.


Thanks,
- m
 
Hi mogli

In canada at toronto airport there is a US immigration area.
You will do the US immigration & Custom at toronto airport only because in US these flights will be treated as domestic flights.

First, you will go to ticket counter of your flight and will get boarding passes. Once you have these boarding passes for US flights, you will be directed to US immigration area in toronto airport itself ....


I hope this will help ....
_adya
 
visa

so does this mean you have a new visa in your passport? for example, can you travel abroad and re-enter the US with no problem?

The reason I ask is my H1B expires next week. I have a valid I 797 for a while though. I need to travel outside the US in a couple of months but dont know if I'll be able to come back without a valid US visa stamp

Thanks
 
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fana said:
so does this mean you have a new visa in your passport? for example, can you travel abroad and re-enter the US with no problem?

The reason I ask is my H1B expires next week. I have a valid I 797 for a while though. I need to travel outside the US in a couple of months but dont know if I'll be able to come back without a valid US visa stamp

Thanks
Automatic revalidation does NOT mean that you'll get a new visa stamp in your PP.

It just allows you to re-enter the US after a short trip to Canada or Mexico.
You can use this as long as you are going to one of these countries.

It does NOT apply to other countries.
 
max2k1 said:
Automatic revalidation does NOT mean that you'll get a new visa stamp in your PP.

It just allows you to re-enter the US after a short trip to Canada or Mexico less that 30 daysBut if you apply for Visa stamp in Canada or Mexoco and Visa stamp gets rejected you cannot enter US from Canada or Mexico you need to go directly from Mexico or Canada to your home countery to get Visa stampYou can use this as long as you are going to one of these countries.

It does NOT apply to other countries.
 
What if my expired VISA is H4 but current VISA status is H1?

Hi there,

I entered US with H4, which is expired now. I've changed my VISA status to H1 since I came. I didn't get a chance to get a H1 stamp in my passport.

In this case after a short travel to Canada for less than one week, can I use the automatic revalidation to reenter US?

Is there anyone have ever experienced such situation?

Thanks a lot!
 
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Hi Adya

Congrates for Landing in Canada.

I am waiting for PP request and expecting very soon.
I also have expired visa and new extension H1 approval. I also want to land using automatic revalidation. I want to ask which I-94 I should keep and which I-94 I should give to airlines.

I think I have to give old I94 to airlines and keep new I-94 and give it to immigration in US while returning to US.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I will appreciate if you can reply.

Thanks in advance.



Adya said:
Hi Everybody

Last week I visited canada for 3 days and came back to US using automatic revalidation....
It worked fine ....
I am on H1b but visa stamped on my passport was already expired on Jan2005 but I had valid extension papers for next 2 years ....

When I reached at US immigration in canada toronto airport..
Office asked me ...so you want to use automatic revalidation ...
I said : yes.
offcer: When did you enter Canada & how long?
I : before yesterday...(total 3 days)
Offcer: Why did you not apply for visa revalidation in toronto?
I: Because of waiting time for appointment ...I don't have appointment and I can not wait for 1 month ...
Officer: Ok ....
took the fingerprint & photograph as a regular procedure for US immigration ...and allowed me to come in ...
It was smooth process .....
I really want to thank ginnu ...who gave me all this info ...
Thanks,
-Adya
 
gc212 said:
Congrates for Landing in Canada.

I am waiting for PP request and expecting very soon.
I also have expired visa and new extension H1 approval. I also want to land using automatic revalidation. I want to ask which I-94 I should keep and which I-94 I should give to airlines.
------- US to Canada flight is treated as Domestic flight, dont give I-94 to airlines
I think I have to give old I94 to airlines and keep new I-94 and give it to immigration in US while returning to US.
-------------when travel to Canada Airline will not ask for any I-94, if they ask dont give. show your passport and valid I-94 to US immigration when enter US
Correct me if I am wrong.

I will appreciate if you can reply.

Thanks in advance.
 
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