Anyone with a lawsuit against USCIS or thinking about a lawsuit (Merged)

akram88 said:
Hello guys,
I spoke to USCIS on the 800 number to check how I can withdraw my second N400. They told me I need to send a witen letter to Vermont sevice center indicating the reason. I'm gonna do that tomorrow.
Did any of you guys file a withdrawal letter to USCIS before? how soon will they reply/accept it?
Also I spoke to the FBI guy I spoke to at the FBI office in Newark. He was no help, he said there is nothing he can do.

Hi guys,

Happy new year. here is an update on my case: I sent a letter to Vermont to withdraw my second N400 about a month ago, I still haven't heard from them, therefore I'm going for an infopass appt on the 12.
on the other side, while I was on vacation last week, my mom's church received a letter from the white house stating that they forwarded the letter (the church sent about 2 month ago) to the ministry of defence.
I've read in this forum that they usually forward letters to the FBI, do you guys think the ministry of defence will help? if yes how long should I wait to see a response from them.
I was planning to start re-working on my suit right after vacation but now I dont know if I should wait. what do you guys think?
 
akram88 said:
Hi guys,

Happy new year. here is an update on my case: I sent a letter to Vermont to withdraw my second N400 about a month ago, I still haven't heard from them, therefore I'm going for an infopass appt on the 12.
on the other side, while I was on vacation last week, my mom's church received a letter from the white house stating that they forwarded the letter (the church sent about 2 month ago) to the ministry of defence.
I've read in this forum that they usually forward letters to the FBI, do you guys think the ministry of defence will help? if yes how long should I wait to see a response from them.
I was planning to start re-working on my suit right after vacation but now I dont know if I should wait. what do you guys think?
Are you (or have you been) in the military? If not, I don't see how the Department of Defense can help you (and why would they try to help you) with the name check process.
 
paz1960 said:
Are you (or have you been) in the military? If not, I don't see how the Department of Defense can help you (and why would they try to help you) with the name check process.

No I have never been in any kind of military. I'm thinking the white house sent the letter to the wrong people (I wouldn't be surprised). I'll try to get a copy of the response.
 
akram88 said:
No I have never been in any kind of military. I'm thinking the white house sent the letter to the wrong people (I wouldn't be surprised). I'll try to get a copy of the response.
Well, in this case your church's letter was forwarded to DoD certainly by mistake. If your church was nice enough to try to help you, I'm sure that they will follow up and send the letter to the White House with the addendum that the previous letter was forwarded to the wrong place: DoD instead of FBI.
 
defendant's motion to dismissed is denied by court

I checked that case. The court denied defendant's motion to dismiss and hold the case in abeyance for 60 days waiting for name check.

paz1960 said:
Hello olegb,
As several members already stated, the answer filed by the Defendants is quite usual. They challenge the definition of the term "examination" and they try to interpret it in a broader sense, like the Government did successfully in Danilov v. Aguirre, i.e., examination is not only your interview, but contains also the background check. Because the background check is not done yet, the examination is not complete, so the 120 day clock didn't even start, so you are not entitled to file a lawsuit. However, even following this reasoning, I am surprised why are they referring to FRCP 12(b)6, i.e., plaintiff fail to state a claim upon relief may be granted. More adequate would be to challenge the subject matter jurisdiction, which would be FRCP 12(b)1.

Anyway, most of the courts didn't buy this Danilov argument, i.e., they interpret the examination=interview and without including the background check, so they assume jurisdiction in such cases. The problem is what comes after this. 1447(b) provides two actions for the court to chose from: 1. to determine the matter, or 2. to remand the matter to the Service, with appropriate instructions. Because courts are not equipped to perform background checks, and in a November 26, 1997 Appropriations Act for the Department of Justice and other federal departments and agencies, Congress mandated that:
“During fiscal year 1998 and each fiscal year thereafter, none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available to the Immigration and Naturalization Service shall be used to complete adjudication of an application for naturalization unless the Immigration and Naturalization Service has received confirmation from the Federal Bureau of Investigation that a full criminal background check has been completed.” Pub.L. No. 105-119, Title I, 111 Stat. 2440, 2448-49 (1997).
No judge in this country will approve a naturalization application without this background check completed. These cases will be invariantly remanded to USCIS. Plaintiff will need to make all the efforts to convince the judge to include in the remand order "appropriate instructions", i.e., a strict timetable to complete the background check and after that to adjudicate the application.

Returning to your particular case: defendants had to file something by the 60 day deadline. This could be a motion or the answer to your complaint. There is a big difference between an answer or a motion to dismiss (which is the other typical document AUSA files in many such cases).

Here is what says about this the Northern California District Pro Se handbook (I posted this already couple of times):

Once the answer is filed, does the plaintiff have to file a response to it?

There is no such thing under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure as a “Response to an Answer.” Even if you strongly disagree with the statements in the answer, there is no need to file a response. Under Rule 8(d) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, all statements in an
answer are automatically denied by the other parties to the lawsuit.


Actually I saw a case in the Western District of Washington (Aslam v. Gonzales) where Plaintiff filed a Memorandum in Response to Defendants Answer. The judge ordered:

"The Court is in receipt of Plaintiff’s Memorandum in Response to Defendants’ Answer (Dkt. No. 8). Plaintiff is advised that Defendants have not filed a motion against him and no motion is currently pending in this case. For this reason, the Plaintiff’s memorandum is STRICKEN from the record. Plaintiff is further advised that any motion filed and any Response filed to a motion must be in conformance with the provisions of Local Rule 7."

Later, Defendants filed a Motion to Dismiss and Plaintiff was able to recycle his Memorandum and re-use in Opposing this Motion. Last time I checked, this case was still not closed, so for privacy reasons, I didn't want to post any documents related to this case. But study this case, I believe that Plaintiff covered well all the relevant issues and you can use his Opposition as a model to write one if you will need to.
 
How's cases going in Boston,MA?

Hello,

Happy post-holidy to everyone!


I filed a "PETITION FOR HEARING ON NATURALIZATION APPLICATION" a month ago in Boston, MA. I am going to call US assistant attorney assigned to my case next week.

I would like to know what's the average results of cases filed in Boston?

I checked Pacer and found results of most cases are "Remanded to Government agency". I am not sure if it is good or bad.

Thanks

~Bin
 
good luck.

my case was transfered to local office too.

did you call your local uscis?

lenscrafterslen said:
Hello everyone,

I am set to appear for the pretrial conference tomorrow. Someone has told me that it's most likely just 10-15 minutes during which time the AUSA will request for an extention.

But is there anything that I need to prepare other than brinnging all relevant documents? Do I need to prepare a "speech" to the judge to let him know the situation?

Also, since I filed the lawsuit (for I-485), my case has been transfereed to the local office (but not my spouse's). I am not sure if this has anything to do with the lawsuit, but do I need to mention this to the court and what else should I say?

Any information is greatly appreciated.
 
I would like to thank everyone here. This thread really gives me some strength that I need and makes me some light.

I am going through post by post. Right now I am on Page 65. I have a question:

I haven't seen any people living in New York filed a Mandamus. Any one has any knowledge about New York City District Attorneys, are they usually sympathetic to lawsuites like this? (from what I've read so far, California has the best, Virginia has the worst)

I also registered a pacer account. But I couldn't find how to search for Mandamus case on AOS (I485). Anybody can shed some light on this?

Thank you so much.
 
new policy for name check expedite

I just talked to a AUSA, she mentioned after December 22, 2006. USCIS will not expedite any name check pending cases even there are pending WOM case. Is that true? Anyone can explain what is going to happen next? Maybe it is just another excuese for them. Any comments?
 
It's A Scarey News!!!

myang1969 said:
I just talked to a AUSA, she mentioned after December 22, 2006. USCIS will not expedite any name check pending cases even there are pending WOM case. Is that true? Anyone can explain what is going to happen next? Maybe it is just another excuese for them. Any comments?

If this is true, that will be very scary for lots of people who file the wom recently, including me.
 
AUSU's file to me at due time as the lawsuit

unopposed motion for extension of time
comes now the united states of America, on behalf of defendants, by and through ****** united stated attorney for the district of kansas and **** assistant US attorney for the district, and moves this court for an order granting it an additional thirty 31 days in which to file its answer or other responsive pleading. in support of this motion, the united stated shows the following:
1. defendant's answer is due Jan 6, 2007.
2. no other extension has been requested by defendants.
3. plaintiff has been contacted and has no objection to the requested extension.
4. counsel for defendants has been advised by the department of homeland security that plaintiff has already been interviewed and her application has been approved. defendants seek a sixty day extension of time to answer to allow for the formal notification ceremony. the next scheduled oath ceremony in wichita, kansas is in march, 2007, and notices will not be sent out until sometime in Feb, 2007. upon notification, plaintiff has indicated her willingness to dismiss this lawsuit.
WHEREFORE, the united states respectfully requests that it be granted until March 7. 2007. in which to file its answer or other responsive pleading.

respectfully submitted,
******
united stated attorney

some one can give me a good interpreter please

thanks a lot

Nov 6 N-400 lawsuit
Jan 5 AUSA's motion
 
thanks. i did not call local uscis. don't even know their number.

i came back from the court yesterday. it was just like someone said--the AUSA requested an extension and the judge granted it. it was actually very friendly. the AUSA chatted with us for about 10-15 minutes and said that he totally understood our situation and would try his best to speed up the process.


fadd2002 said:
good luck.

my case was transfered to local office too.

did you call your local uscis?
 
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I filed WOM through an attorney for two pending h1bs(over two years). I had to stop pursuing this WOM in the middle after spending over 6K, as my attorney was charging me per minute for everything.

Now all my cases, pending h1bs, and subsequent 485's are being transferred to WASHINGTON, DC. office.

Does that mean that my cases will never be processed?

:( :( :( :( :( :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
i am from manhattan. i have searched pacer for past cases--not very encouraging. there are cases that quickly resolved, but not many from my reading. you can search the names of the defendants in this system to see similar cases.

but the AUSA i had seemed to be reasonable. hopefully my case will move soon.

how long has your case been pending?

jwei said:
I would like to thank everyone here. This thread really gives me some strength that I need and makes me some light.

I am going through post by post. Right now I am on Page 65. I have a question:

I haven't seen any people living in New York filed a Mandamus. Any one has any knowledge about New York City District Attorneys, are they usually sympathetic to lawsuites like this? (from what I've read so far, California has the best, Virginia has the worst)

I also registered a pacer account. But I couldn't find how to search for Mandamus case on AOS (I485). Anybody can shed some light on this?

Thank you so much.
 
lenscrafterslen said:
i am from manhattan. i have searched pacer for past cases--not very encouraging. there are cases that quickly resolved, but not many from my reading. you can search the names of the defendants in this system to see similar cases.

but the AUSA i had seemed to be reasonable. hopefully my case will move soon.

how long has your case been pending?


It is great to finally see another New Yorker! Thank you so much for your quick response. My name check has been stuck for 8 months. I know it is early to file a suit, but I would like to get prepared. Somehow I knew my name check would be stuck since the very begining (just like everything else in my life), so I started very early to collect all the documents by writing to USCIS, congressman, Mrs. Bush, FBI, senators, you name it.

Lenscrafterlen, would like mind talking via PM so I can learn a little details about your case and some advice from you?

Best luck to you my friend!
 
lenscrafterslen
I am a new here, just started to deal with AUSA. What is your experience to deal with AUSA? I just have a very nice conversation with my AUSA, she is very understanding person and said she did everything to help me, she felt it is USCIS fault to my delay, but she has no power on USCIS. In my opinion, AUSA repesents USCIS as their official lawyer in civil case. What we should expect from them? If they dont want do anything, what we should expect next?
 
Lenscrafterlen,

I was just finished reading all your previous posts. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that both of us are in Mannhattan and from China. Best wishes to your case. Please keep us posted.
 
8970 said:
unopposed motion for extension of time
comes now the united states of America, on behalf of defendants, by and through ****** united stated attorney for the district of kansas and **** assistant US attorney for the district, and moves this court for an order granting it an additional thirty 31 days in which to file its answer or other responsive pleading. in support of this motion, the united stated shows the following:
1. defendant's answer is due Jan 6, 2007.
2. no other extension has been requested by defendants.
3. plaintiff has been contacted and has no objection to the requested extension.
4. counsel for defendants has been advised by the department of homeland security that plaintiff has already been interviewed and her application has been approved. defendants seek a sixty day extension of time to answer to allow for the formal notification ceremony. the next scheduled oath ceremony in wichita, kansas is in march, 2007, and notices will not be sent out until sometime in Feb, 2007. upon notification, plaintiff has indicated her willingness to dismiss this lawsuit.
WHEREFORE, the united states respectfully requests that it be granted until March 7. 2007. in which to file its answer or other responsive pleading.

respectfully submitted,
******
united stated attorney

some one can give me a good interpreter please

thanks a lot

Nov 6 N-400 lawsuit
Jan 5 AUSA's motion
this motion is one of the best what you could hope. Your application is approved, defendants didn't even ask to remand the case to USCIS for adjudication. You will get your oath letter in the next couple of weeks, the lawsuit is still open, as an assurance that the judge still can rule if for some unexpected reason they don't issue you the oath letter. Congratulations, you obtained what you wanted!

The only confusing thing is that first AUSA talks about a 31 day extension, later this is modified to 60 days. But for you this is unimportant now, because your application is approved.
 
myang1969 said:
lenscrafterslen
I am a new here, just started to deal with AUSA. What is your experience to deal with AUSA? I just have a very nice conversation with my AUSA, she is very understanding person and said she did everything to help me, she felt it is USCIS fault to my delay, but she has no power on USCIS. In my opinion, AUSA repesents USCIS as their official lawyer in civil case. What we should expect from them? If they dont want do anything, what we should expect next?
You are right about the fact that AUSA represents the government in such cases. And it is true that they can make a big difference in such cases but even their power is limited. But don't be discouraged. You didn't ask the US Attorney's Office to solve your case; you filed your complaint with the federal district court, so ultimately the judge has the power to decide.

My recommendation is to maintain the good working relationship with your AUSA, call her once a week and be nice and try to gently push her to put continuous pressure on USCIS and FBI. In the meantime, prepare yourself for the next step: an Opposition to Defendants' Motion to Dismiss or Remand.
 
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