Anyone with a lawsuit against USCIS or thinking about a lawsuit (Merged)

Thank you guys for your comments.

United2007,
Yes, they cite those cases but they use only the legal argument or judgement part of it; my understanding is that in legal lingo, it's called "facial" argument, and I think judges usually do not like purely facial argument.
Again my understanding is that judges really take into account the "factual" argument, where facts and evidence talks.
I might be wrong though.

For instance, for "lack of subject matter jurisdiction" argumen based on Saleh v. Ridge, my attack will be something like this,

A. Legal (facial?) irrelavance:
Saleh has used 8 U.S.C. § 1329 in his complaint, which is a General Penalty Provision, under Subchapter II of Chapter 12 under Title 8.
Saleh used 8 U.S.C. § 1329 because he entered the United States unlawfully, evading immigration inspection.

The Plaintiff (me), however, has used 5 U.S.C. § 701 (APA), 28 U.S.C. § 2201 (DJA) and seeks relief thru writ in the Nature of Mandamus. He did not need to use 8 U.S.C. § 1329 since he enter and stayed in the U.S. lawfully.

B. Factual irrelavance:
B.1. Saleh's claim of eligibility for adjustment of status was based on his wife having been granted asylum. Such an application was subject to the cap of 10,000 per year as established by Congress and as provided in 8 U.S.C. § 1159(b) for the number of aliens for whom the Attorney General may grant discretionary adjustment based on the alien or an immediate relative having been admitted to the United States as a refugee pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1158(b)(1).

B.2. During the pendency of Saleh's application for adjustment of status, he was charged with, and pled guilty to Conspiracy to Traffic in Counterfeit Clothing in violation of 18 U.S.C. Sections 371 and 2320. (Id .P10. n2) On July 15, 1999, Plaintiff was sentenced by Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum of this Court to thirty-six months of probation.

The Plaintiff (me) claim of eligibility for adjustment of status was based on marriage to a U.S. Citizen. Such an application is not subject to any cap. The Plaintiff has always been legally presented in the U.S. and never been convicted to any crime.
 
FBI Name check division address

I am in the process of building my case, before filing WOM.
Even though I know it is not going to help with the case, just want to show the judge I tried that venue to and planning on sending letters to FBI name check division in Washington DC and Houston. Anybody knows the addresses? You all's help greatly appreciated as usual.
 
One week left, nothing filed by AUSA

Hi, team, filed WOM in Jan. due date is coming soon, but AUSA hasn't filed anything yet. Called 800 customer service check for status, got a letter today says

"Your case is currently under review. You should receive a decision or notice of other action within 90 days of the date of this letter."

is this a good sign they are finally working on my case after 3.5 years nc pending? or just standard answer to all request? Anyone got similar letter after call to request status?

this is a great forum, I've been silently follow every day. especially the persistant effort of PAZ1960, we need people like you. and other members, like wenlock, and others, thanks for sharing and support!



Folks,

Based on this excellent forum, I filed my 1447b on Jan 17th after 180 days of my interview in N. california, my docket says, answer is due on 3/19. I have not contacted AUSA yet on this. Nothing has been yet filed by AUSA on my case as I don't see anything in the docket report. Do you guys suggest I should give a call to AUSA or just wait till the due date? Thanks!
 
Hi, team, filed WOM in Jan. due date is coming soon, but AUSA hasn't filed anything yet. Called 800 customer service check for status, got a letter today says

"Your case is currently under review. You should receive a decision or notice of other action within 90 days of the date of this letter."

is this a good sign they are finally working on my case after 3.5 years nc pending? or just standard answer to all request? Anyone got similar letter after call to request status?

this is a great forum, I've been silently follow every day. especially the persistant effort of PAZ1960, we need people like you. and other members, like wenlock, and others, thanks for sharing and support!

I would suggest taking infopass and finding out
 
Hi, team, filed WOM in Jan. due date is coming soon, but AUSA hasn't filed anything yet. Called 800 customer service check for status, got a letter today says

"Your case is currently under review. You should receive a decision or notice of other action within 90 days of the date of this letter."

is this a good sign they are finally working on my case after 3.5 years nc pending? or just standard answer to all request? Anyone got similar letter after call to request status?

this is a great forum, I've been silently follow every day. especially the persistant effort of PAZ1960, we need people like you. and other members, like wenlock, and others, thanks for sharing and support!

It is quite common that AUSA will not file anything till the last day of the 60 day period after you served him/her with the complaint and summons. So don't worry too much about that. But I would try to contact AUSA and you may find out some details from her/him, what is AUSA's plan to file (answer or motion to dismiss).

It is hard to guess what is the real meaning of the letter you got from USCIS. I would take the positive message and consider that they finally started to work on your case, probably due to the lawsuit. Try to stay positive and look at the bright side of this unfortunate story. You will need this attitude, because there will be days (and nights) when you will feel really down with this long ordeal. But you should always maintain your faith that you are right and ultimately you will prevail.

I wish you good luck and keep preparing for the next step if you need to continue the fight.
 
Hi, team, filed WOM in Jan. due date is coming soon, but AUSA hasn't filed anything yet. Called 800 customer service check for status, got a letter today says

"Your case is currently under review. You should receive a decision or notice of other action within 90 days of the date of this letter."

is this a good sign they are finally working on my case after 3.5 years nc pending? or just standard answer to all request? Anyone got similar letter after call to request status?

this is a great forum, I've been silently follow every day. especially the persistant effort of PAZ1960, we need people like you. and other members, like wenlock, and others, thanks for sharing and support!

I already got three letters like these long time before I filed a lawsuit. This is a generic USCIS Systems generated BS that is produced automatically after you use an info pass inquriy OR call the 800 number. This is NOT due to your lawsuit. As you said, you called the 800 number and inquired about your case and this letter is just the outcome of that. AUSA will give you a better answer than USCIS. Good luck to you, regards, dude
 
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I would suggest taking infopass and finding out
2 weeks after I filed my WOM I made an infopass app and they told me that my case is under review with supervisor... So I would not be so optimistic. My case is still under review 150 days later...
 
will prepare to fight

Hi Paz1960, lotechguy, DUDE12190, kefira, and team,

thank you for your response, I'll try to look at the bright side of it, same time prepare for the next fight. besides a busy work and family schedule, this whole name check PENDING thing add tremendous stress. will keep team posted and good luck to us all.



It is quite common that AUSA will not file anything till the last day of the 60 day period after you served him/her with the complaint and summons. So don't worry too much about that. But I would try to contact AUSA and you may find out some details from her/him, what is AUSA's plan to file (answer or motion to dismiss).

It is hard to guess what is the real meaning of the letter you got from USCIS. I would take the positive message and consider that they finally started to work on your case, probably due to the lawsuit. Try to stay positive and look at the bright side of this unfortunate story. You will need this attitude, because there will be days (and nights) when you will feel really down with this long ordeal. But you should always maintain your faith that you are right and ultimately you will prevail.

I wish you good luck and keep preparing for the next step if you need to continue the fight.
 
paz , and all guru Friends ,

After I filed my lawsuit , I finally started to get many correspondence letters from USCIS in response to my calls to 1-800 and Info passes, and on all those correspondence this is what they say :-

Quote :-

Based on your request we researched the status of this case. We are actively processing this case. However, we have to perform additional review on this case and this has caused a longer processing time. If you do not receive a decision or other notice of action from us within 6 months of this letter, please call customer service at the number below.

Unquote: -

They never mention any thing of pending security check or background check. (I know for fact that these are all cleared in Apr 2006).

What do you make of this correspondence that started to pour in and what should I expect?

Their answer to my lawsuit is due in couple of days.

Thank you all.
 
Facial attacks and factual attacks

The following quote from analysis of the case Gibbons v. United States 2001 DSD 18 is a good clarification of the differences between "facial attack" and "factual attack" and the implications:

"The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure permit a party to move to dismiss a complaint for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. Fed. R. Civ. P 12(b)(1). In deciding a 12(b)(1) motion, the Court must distinguish between a facial attack and a factual attack. Osborn v. United States, 918 F2d 724, 729 (8th Cir. 1990). When reviewing a facial attack, "the court restricts itself to the face of the pleadings and the nonmoving party receives the same protection as it would defending a motion brought under Rule 12(b)(6)." Id. (internal citations omitted). Under a factual attack, however, a court considers matters that lay outside of the pleadings. Id. Hence, in a factual attack, the nonmoving party loses the benefit of the 12(b)(6) safeguards. Id. [¶6] The Court will review this motion as a facial attack. "In a facial challenge to jurisdiction, all of the factual allegations concerning jurisdiction are presumed to be true and the motion is successful if the plaintiff fails to allege an element necessary for subject matter jurisdiction." Titus v. Sullivan, 4 F3d 590, 593 (8th Cir. 1993). Consequently, the burden falls on the plaintiff to prove subject matter jurisdiction. "​

FRCP 12(b) (1) lack of jurisdiction over the subject matter
FRCP 12(b) (6) failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted
 
paz , and all guru Friends ,

After I filed my lawsuit , I finally started to get many correspondence letters from USCIS in response to my calls to 1-800 and Info passes, and on all those correspondence this is what they say :-

Quote :-

Based on your request we researched the status of this case. We are actively processing this case. However, we have to perform additional review on this case and this has caused a longer processing time. If you do not receive a decision or other notice of action from us within 6 months of this letter, please call customer service at the number below.

Unquote: -

They never mention any thing of pending security check or background check. (I know for fact that these are all cleared in Apr 2006).

What do you make of this correspondence that started to pour in and what should I expect?

Their answer to my lawsuit is due in couple of days.

Thank you all.


Just to mention that , one of the applicants that my lawyer is handling his case and filed the lawsuit almost on the same day as mine, got an answer from AUSA, requesting the Judge for one month extention to resolve the pending FBI Name check and adjudicate the case.

I have not received any action from AUSA yet.

Thanks
 
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paz , and all guru Friends ,

After I filed my lawsuit , I finally started to get many correspondence letters from USCIS in response to my calls to 1-800 and Info passes, and on all those correspondence this is what they say :-

Quote :-

Based on your request we researched the status of this case. We are actively processing this case. However, we have to perform additional review on this case and this has caused a longer processing time. If you do not receive a decision or other notice of action from us within 6 months of this letter, please call customer service at the number below.

Unquote: -

They never mention any thing of pending security check or background check. (I know for fact that these are all cleared in Apr 2006).

What do you make of this correspondence that started to pour in and what should I expect?

Their answer to my lawsuit is due in couple of days.

Thank you all.

Well I received an exact same reply letter from my DO after the CS rep initiated a serview request. Later on I called up the customer service and they said my BG check is pending. Well nothing really will make out of that reply. well i dont have a lawsuit. may be it will be different for u, so call them up
 
Thanks for the clarification

The following quote from analysis of the case Gibbons v. United States 2001 DSD 18 is a good clarification of the differences between "facial attack" and "factual attack" and the implications:

"The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure permit a party to move to dismiss a complaint for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. Fed. R. Civ. P 12(b)(1). In deciding a 12(b)(1) motion, the Court must distinguish between a facial attack and a factual attack. Osborn v. United States, 918 F2d 724, 729 (8th Cir. 1990). When reviewing a facial attack, "the court restricts itself to the face of the pleadings and the nonmoving party receives the same protection as it would defending a motion brought under Rule 12(b)(6)." Id. (internal citations omitted). Under a factual attack, however, a court considers matters that lay outside of the pleadings. Id. Hence, in a factual attack, the nonmoving party loses the benefit of the 12(b)(6) safeguards. Id. [¶6] The Court will review this motion as a facial attack. "In a facial challenge to jurisdiction, all of the factual allegations concerning jurisdiction are presumed to be true and the motion is successful if the plaintiff fails to allege an element necessary for subject matter jurisdiction." Titus v. Sullivan, 4 F3d 590, 593 (8th Cir. 1993). Consequently, the burden falls on the plaintiff to prove subject matter jurisdiction. "​

FRCP 12(b) (1) lack of jurisdiction over the subject matter
FRCP 12(b) (6) failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted

Many thanks for SLIS's clarification of some concepts.

Zeegeel:

According to this post, I think may need to reconsider your defense strategy regarding the cases listed in your MTD.
 
should i take a infopass before i file my OPP???

hi, Paz, wenlock and all the friends here,

I m prepairing my OPP, and it almost done.

according to the imforation i got from this forum, that when My NC is done, it maybe or maybe not known by AUSA. I email my AUSA, and he told me that no update on my case by Friday evening. If i decide to file my OPP next week, should I make a infopass to find out if my NC clear or not from INS or just go ahead to file my OPP?

I got some information from other forum that even someone's NC cleared and forward to Washington DC, AND IT still show no update from AUSA side. I don't how AUSA work with INS and FBI, but i think there must be some gap among them, and before i File my OPP, I just want make sure that my NC still pending.
 
Thanks DUDE and all friends for your kind help and participation:

Here is one issue that is bothering me and could not find answer to it -

In the same court can different judges have different interpretation of the 1447 (b) law in assuming jurisdiction and applying the 120 days rule??

In other words, in the same court, can one judge agree on jurisdiction while other judge does not agree??

Thank you.
 
Thanks DUDE and all friends for your kind help and participation:

Here is one issue that is bothering me and could not find answer to it -

In the same court can different judges have different interpretation of the 1447 (b) law in assuming jurisdiction and applying the 120 days rule??

In other words, in the same court, can one judge agree on jurisdiction while other judge does not agree??

Thank you.

Unfortunately, yes. See, e.g., the Southern District of Texas, Houston division.

Judge Kenneth M. Hoyt dismissed several cases immediately after filing, stating that the 120 day clock didn't start if the name check is not complete, so the court has no jurisdiction. One example is Siddiqul v. Chertoff, case 4:06-mc-00350 (S.D.TX, Aug. 24, 2006)
Other judges in the same district didn't have the same problem. See, e.g., Torok v. Chertoff, case 4:06-mc-00345 (S.D.TX, Sept. 25, 2006), judge Lynn N. Hughes.
 
I am in the process of building my case, before filing WOM.
Even though I know it is not going to help with the case, just want to show the judge I tried that venue to and planning on sending letters to FBI name check division in Washington DC and Houston. Anybody knows the addresses? You all's help greatly appreciated as usual.

Hello springbranch,
I got this e-mail address from my congressman, I wrote an inquiring e-mail, never got any feedback.

FBINNCP@ic.fbi.gov
 
How did you get to talk to an agent?

I was told by FBI agent that FBI stopped to respond to the E-mail inquiries about 1 year ago. I tried it myself several times, never got the answer.

Zevs
How did you get to talk to an FBI agent?
Were they helpful?
Thanks,
 
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