anyone knows how to report greencard fraud?

[wwwaitfor485]

two possible reasons

well i have to say i find it very "suspect" that www has been waiting for "years" and the only posts they have is in this thread, doesn't pass the smell test.

Think before you post!

1st, I could just read and do not post.
2nd, I could easily change my ID, I don't want to get into trouble.

I don't have time to waste by posting something that does not concern me.
I have reported the case by phone and mails.
I will keep you guys posted.

 

[sanliergun]

My opinion is to let it go. It is unfair, but I don't think
reporting fraud will make it fair and solve the problem.
First of all, will that visa number be available again
any time soon if they take his GC back? This might
also trigger USCIS to tighten the processing procedures
to eliminate the bad apples, which means slower processing
and losing some good apples too.

In general, you have to accept that there will be bad
apples among good ones. If you want to eliminate all
the bad apples you have to throw away some good ones
too. Unfortunately, the system is far from being perfect.

 

[hens4rth]

I beg to differ. I'm sure there are plenty more bad apples but its definitely good to get rid of the obvious ones.

What amazes me, sanliergun, is you want these "BAD APPLES" to go through only because you think your case might be delayed in a long run. Hypocrisy!!!

Guys whoever thinks this is ok, "HAVING BAD APPLES", please keep those comments to yourselves. Its utter nonsensical. I don't care if my case takes little longer in the short term but I would like this process to be as fair as possible (if I can help it).

My opinion is to let it go. It is unfair, but I don't think
reporting fraud will make it fair and solve the problem.
First of all, will that visa number be available again
any time soon if they take his GC back? This might
also trigger USCIS to tighten the processing procedures
to eliminate the bad apples, which means slower processing
and losing some good apples too.

In general, you have to accept that there will be bad
apples among good ones. If you want to eliminate all
the bad apples you have to throw away some good ones
too. Unfortunately, the system is far from being perfect.

 

[sanliergun]

This was my thought, and you have all the right to differ.
But, you have no right to tell anyone "keep your
comments to yourselves", just because you don't find
them sensible.

And, I wasn't thinking of my case. I was referring to the
whole process which includes yours as well. Why so
prejudiced, why so aggressive?

I beg to differ. I'm sure there are plenty more bad apples but its definitely good to get rid of the obvious ones.

What amazes me, sanliergun, is you want these "BAD APPLES" to go through only because you think your case might be delayed in a long run. Hypocrisy!!!

Guys whoever thinks this is ok, "HAVING BAD APPLES", please keep those comments to yourselves. Its utter nonsensical. I don't care if my case takes little longer in the short term but I would like this process to be as fair as possible (if I can help it).

 

[hens4rth]

Glad you asked. First of all, you are encouraging illegal immigration. Second of all, you seem not bothered by it at all.
Regarding the RIGHTS... you are taking away the rights of law abiding wanna be residents by supporting illegal immigration. Don't defend people who do not belive in FAIRNESS / RIGHTS.

This was my thought, and you have all the right to differ.
But, you have no right to tell anyone "keep your
comments to yourselves", just because you don't find
them sensible.

And, I wasn't thinking of my case. I was referring to the
whole process which includes yours as well. Why so
prejudiced, why so aggressive?

 

[djh]

Think before you post!

1st, I could just read and do not post.
2nd, I could easily change my ID, I don't want to get into trouble.

I don't have time to waste by posting something that does not concern me.
I have reported the case by phone and mails.
I will keep you guys posted.

Whatever, either way, if this is true, than makes u more of a coward in my opinion to hide behind a new name.

Secondly I agree with 140takes4ever, that sounds a lot like sour grapes to me. I would have thought you would have grown up from the school yard were you use to run to the teacher to tattle all the time.

PS: if you were really genuine and sincere, you would report every illegal Mexican you saw too....and there are lots... but you don't do you... and you know why? it's because this is really about your jealousy and envy of this person. Look, first before you reported this person, you should have dealt with the more grievous issue, your jealousy and envy and your vindictiveness to turn this person in. But that's the hard part isn't it, dealing with your own shortcomings, it's much easier to highlight someone elses. You hypocrite, before you pick the speck of dust out of someone elses eye, take the beam of wood out of yours!

 

[hens4rth]

Unbeliveable. You guys do not know where to stop, do you. I mean, here I find one sincere guy who is taking pains to report an unlawful person (envy! why would anyone envy the incompetent) and so many people trying to deter him. No wonder one has to struggle to be righteous.
Tolerance is a mark of virtue and ignorance is a mark of vice so do not ignore the so called "sour grapes and bad apples".

Whatever, either way, if this is true, than makes u more of a coward in my opinion to hide behind a new name.

Secondly I agree with 140takes4ever, that sounds a lot like sour grapes to me. I would have thought you would have grown up from the school yard were you use to run to the teacher to tattle all the time.

PS: if you were really genuine and sincere, you would report every illegal Mexican you saw too....and there are lots... but you don't do you... and you know why? it's because this is really about your jealousy and envy of this person. Look, first before you reported this person, you should have dealt with the more grievous issue, your jealousy and envy and your vindictiveness to turn this person in. But that's the hard part isn't it, dealing with your own shortcomings, it's much easier to highlight someone elses. You hypocrite, before you pick the speck of dust out of someone elses eye, take the beam of wood out of yours!

 

[Ziri]

Hmmmm!!!! report fraud as who? Hope you saved your energy to do what concerned you. Don't try to be mr or miss nice whatever you do these people don't like you here and you will not change that. Are you trying to say that they don't know where the illegal immigrants are? For your information they are building shelters for them in some states. By the way who knows how you got your HB visa. Let the guy enjoy his greencard. are you going to report the corrupt senators and house representatives too. Just look at what is on your plate. You never know that guy might have been like you at one time but because of frustrations he had to do that.

 

[NorthStar2020]

What bad apples?

Dude,
You got your head buried in sand.
Would it be acceptable if some guy robbed you on the street and
we advise you to let it go because it's only one bad apple???
Let's see how you deal with that!
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My opinion is to let it go. It is unfair, but I don't think
reporting fraud will make it fair and solve the problem.
First of all, will that visa number be available again
any time soon if they take his GC back? This might
also trigger USCIS to tighten the processing procedures
to eliminate the bad apples, which means slower processing
and losing some good apples too.

In general, you have to accept that there will be bad
apples among good ones. If you want to eliminate all
the bad apples you have to throw away some good ones
too. Unfortunately, the system is far from being perfect.

 

[djh]

Dude,
You got your head buried in sand.
Would it be acceptable if some guy robbed you on the street and
we advise you to let it go because it's only one bad apple???
Let's see how you deal with that!
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There is no comparison, in your scenario the person is directly affected, they are personally violated. In this case here, this person is not directly affected no more than someone who mentioned about corrupt senators, oh sure we are all "affected" but hardly. And as someone pointed out, you don't know what's going on in this persons life, why are you interfering in their life, even if they "allegedly" did something illegal. I say allegedly, because none of us know for sure and only a court would decided that - you know - innocent until proven guilty.

No, this person is looking at someone else and feeling short changed because they have something they don't and feel they got it unfairly, so they are going beyond and turning them in under the "cloak of self righteousness" - the cloak is really just covering up their own internal envy and vindictiveness - how repugnent!

 

[112601]

My sister recently got divorced overseas. She and her three children are Americans but her ex-husband is not. He got involved with the so-called godmother of their children who lives in Miami and works for Section 8. I found out that she has helped my ex-brother-in-laws family apply and get their green cards when they have never lived in the U.S.. She helps them submit fake income tax returns when they have never worked in the US as well. Isn't this illegal? I tell my sister that she should report this and she is afraid to do so because it would imply that she release her name and data and is afraid her ex-husband could go after her and take the children away, which he's threatened to. She has no resources since he forced her to give up material rights in the divorce process by threatening to not allow the children leave the country they were in to return to the States.

I think this is very wrong and even though it may seem more like a revenge it is something we should not allow people to continue to do. These cases eat away at what we as law-abiding Americans are really entitled to. Should she do anything and anonymously?

 

[baikal3]

My sister recently got divorced overseas. She and her three children are Americans but her ex-husband is not. He got involved with the so-called godmother of their children who lives in Miami and works for Section 8. I found out that she has helped my ex-brother-in-laws family apply and get their green cards when they have never lived in the U.S.. She helps them submit fake income tax returns when they have never worked in the US as well. Isn't this illegal?

Err, that does not seem to make any sense. Before you accuse anybody of immigration fraud, you do need to get your facts straight and make sure that you are correct. How exactly did the people in question get their green cards? Through a family-based or an employment-based category? For the former, which family member submitted I-130 for them? If the latter, who was the I-140 sponsoring employer? If they applied in a family-based category, they would not have needed any U.S. tax returns at all. Even for the latter, tax returns would not have been necessary if they applied from abroad via consular processing. So how and why would any kind of income tax returns be needed here? Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

 

[112601]

Thank you for your response. We have not formally accused anyone and clearly I don't work as an income tax nor permanent residency application preparer so that is why I've posted the entry here, because I have doubts on the legality issues.

Unfortunately, I only know generalities from snippets of conversation, without knowing some of the specifics that you mention I still find it odd that someone with no business ventures and no employment history in the US could be submitting income tax returns and someone who has never lived in the U.S. could maintain a permanent greencard. How is that possible? and doesn't that raise red flags? Clearly, it is possible but I do not think it is legal.

But, I do know that they originally got their greencards through a son who was living in Texas and working as a College Dean, later this son was arrested by the Feds for dealing in illegal F-1 visas and is currently living in Spain, unable to enter the US. I have a newspaper article that was written on this case.

They are planning to enter the US next week and will be claiming they have been absent because of health reasons.

To clarify, the income tax returns were not submitted for the permanent residency application. They are submitting them now because in a recent entry they were told they could not apply for citizenship unless they demonstrated to have lived in the US for at least three years so that is what they are doing now.

I just think it's really unfair that the system is not set up in a way that it can filter these cases. These people feel empowered because they get away with it, they beat the system. Is there any way of reporting this anonymously so that it would lead to an investigation?
Thanks for taking the time to respond.

 

[baikal3]

Thank you for your response. We have not formally accused anyone and clearly I don't work as an income tax nor permanent residency application preparer so that is why I've posted the entry here, because I have doubts on the legality issues.

Unfortunately, I only know generalities from snippets of conversation, without knowing some of the specifics that you mention I still find it odd that someone with no business ventures and no employment history in the US could be submitting income tax returns and someone who has never lived in the U.S. could maintain a permanent greencard. How is that possible? and doesn't that raise red flags? Clearly, it is possible but I do not think it is legal.

But, I do know that they originally got their greencards through a son who was living in Texas and working as a College Dean, later this son was arrested by the Feds for dealing in illegal F-1 visas and is currently living in Spain, unable to enter the US. I have a newspaper article that was written on this case.

They are planning to enter the US next week and will be claiming they have been absent because of health reasons.

To clarify, the income tax returns were not submitted for the permanent residency application. They are submitting them now because in a recent entry they were told they could not apply for citizenship unless they demonstrated to have lived in the US for at least three years so that is what they are doing now.

I just think it's really unfair that the system is not set up in a way that it can filter these cases. These people feel empowered because they get away with it, they beat the system. Is there any way of reporting this anonymously so that it would lead to an investigation?
Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Hmm. It still does not sound to me like you know enough to get involved in this case and start making official accusations of some kind of fraud against these people. It sounds from what you wrote like they got their green cards legally, as immediate relatives of a son who was, I take it, either a green card holder himself or maybe a U.S. citizen. I am quite sure you are mistaken in claiming that they have never been to the U.S.: if they have green cards, they must have been in the U.S., at least briefly.

A couple of points here. You are completely wrong in thinking that one needs to live in the U.S. in order to file U.S. income tax returns. By law, both green card holders and U.S. citizens living abroad are REQUIRED to submit U.S. federal income tax returns and report their worldwide income, even if they have not earned a cent in the U.S.

Now, green card holders are required to satisfy certain requirements in order to maintain their green card status. In particular, they do have to physically reside in the U.S. and their absences from the country have to be temporary in nature (e.g. getting medical treatment). For any absence of over a year they would need a special document called a reentry permit in order to be allowed back into the U.S. If they have applied for and obtained such reentry permits, they'll probably be fine. Otherwise an immigration officer at the port of entry is likely not to let them in. In any event, when a green card holder enters the U.S. after a trip abroad, an immigration officer looks up their travel history and checks if they have maintained their permanent resident status. If the people you are talking about really broke the rules, it will be likely be discovered when they are entering the U.S. anyway.

From what you wrote, it is equally possible that they have not properly maintained their LPR status and it is also possible that they have in fact properly maintained it. You are not in a position to know this and I very much suggest that you leave this matter to the immigration authorities to deal with. Your understanding of the case appears to be based on rumors, partial bits of information and personal animosity/vindictiveness of some sort as well as very poor level of understanding of the U.S. immigration laws. These are poor things to base your judgement on.

 

[112601]

Thank you

Yes, I do see how my query may sound vindictive to an outsider. I appreciate the time taken to respond to my post and I am of course, not the person to take this further. That would be my sister who has more concrete information than I and the person more directly affected.

In essence, and though I am ignorant of U.S Immigration Laws, the system does get abused.

I have faith that the system is set up to filter these cases of abuse yet I feel it is unfair for people who do everything by the book, with the right intentions get their cases denied or stone-walled due to a technicality while the people who might have the "proper" pieces of the puzzle get approved yet don't have the best or correct intentions.

In this case, time will tell.
Thanks, again.