A new visa, H-5A and H-5B -- New Bill

The message's clear

Either you unite H1B's as a force and make your voice heard other wise keep on working like a 21st Century Slave.
The power of all H1B's immense if you could imagine. Its just that you have to start feeling it.
If we all unite and raise the voices, I am sure they would listen and act.
Those who have been here (in US) would recognise how ISN.org (Immigerant Support Network) got thru meeting its demands . Now, when all of the office bearers have got their GC , nobody care about Immigrants (poor H1Bs, probably I shoudl call non-immigrants from another planet hence "non-immigrant aliens").
 
Illegal Immigrant and new Bill

Bi-Partisan Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill Introduced in the Senate

Today, a bill entitled "The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act of 2005" was introduced in the U.S. Senate which include the concept of legalization of illegal aliens for temporary employment in the form of a new visa, H-5A and H-5B, and adjustment of status to a lawful permanent resident working in such temporary nonimmigrant workers for four years without the employer sponsorship. The following are the excerpts relevant to the legalization program under this bill:
Essential Worker Visa Program
• Creates a new temporary visa to allow foreign workers to enter and fill available jobs that require few or no skills (the H-5A visa)
• Applicants must show that they have a job waiting in the U.S., pay a fee of $500 in addition to application fees, and clear all security, medical, and other checks
• Requires updating of America's Job Bank to make sure job opportunities are seen first by American workers
• Initial cap on H-5A visas is set at 400,000, but the annual limit will be gradually adjusted up or down based on demand in subsequent years
• Visa is valid for three years, and can be renewed one time for a total of 6 years; at the end of the visa period the worker either has to return home or be in the pipeline for a green card
• Visa is portable, but if the worker loses his job he has to find another one within 60 days or return home
• Ensures that employers hiring temporary workers abide by Federal, state and local labor, employment and tax laws
• Prohibits the hiring of temporary workers as independent contractors
• Protects temporary workers from abuse by foreign labor contractors or employers.
• Gives temporary workers and U.S. workers remedies for violations of their rights
• An employer can sponsor the H-5A visa holder for a green card, or after accumulating four years of work in H-5A status, the worker can apply to adjust status on his/her own
• Sets up a task force to evaluate the H-5A program and recommend improvements
Adjustment of Status for H-5B Non-Immigrants
• Undocumented immigrants in the U.S. on date of introduction can register for a temporary visa (H-5B), valid for six years
• Applicants have to show work history, clean criminal record, and that they are not a security problem to be eligible for a temporary visa
• They will receive work and travel authorization
• Their spouses and children are also eligible
• In order to qualify for permanent status, workers will have to meet a future work requirement, clear additional security/background checks, pay substantial fines and application fees ($2000 or more per adult) as well as back taxes, and meet English/civics requirements
Family Unity and Backlog Reduction
• Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens are not counted against the 480,000 annual cap on family-sponsored green cards, thereby providing additional visas to the family preference categories
• The current per-country limit on green cards is raised slightly to clear up backlogs
• Income requirements for sponsoring a family member for a green card are changed from 125% of the federal poverty guidelines to 100%, and other obstacles are removed to ensure fairness
• The employment-based categories are revised to provide additional visas for employers who need to hire permanent workers, and the annual cap is raised from 140,000 to 290,000
Immigrant visas lost due to processing delays are recaptured for future allotments
The immigrant community should strongly support this bill and work with the involved sponsoring Senators. Please contact the follwowing sponsors:
Laura Capps (Kennedy) (202)224-2633
Andrea Jones (McCain) (202)224-7130
Brian Hart (Brownback) (202)224-0237
Casey Aden-Wansbury (Lieberman) (202) 224-0975
Kristen Hellmer (Kolbe) (202)225-1466
Matthew Specht (Flake) (202)225-2635
Scott Frotman (Gutierrez) (202)225-8203
For the entire summary of the bill including the border protection and enforcement, please click here.
Report indicates that this bill may receive a fairly strong support on the Hill.
 
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MEMBERS OF CONGRESS INTRODUCE COMPREHENSIVE BORDER SECURITY & IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL

**kennedy Statement And Bill Summary Included**

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Laura Capps (Kennedy) (202)224-2633 Andrea Jones (McCain) (202)224-7130 Brian Hart (Brownback) (202)224-0237 Casey Aden-Wansbury (Lieberman) (202) 224-0975 Kristen Hellmer (Kolbe) (202)225-1466 Matthew Specht (Flake) (202)225-2635 Scott Frotman (Gutierrez) (202)225-8203

WASHINGTON - Senators McCain and Kennedy, and Representatives Kolbe, Flake and Gutierrez, joined by Senators Brownback and Lieberman today introduced The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act of 2005. The legislation follows months of thoughtful debate and negotiation, which has resulted in bipartisan, bicameral, comprehensive border security and immigration reform.

"The status quo is unacceptable, and we need to modernize our broken immigration system to meet the challenges of the 21st Century. And we need policies that continue to reflect our best values as a nation -- of fairness, equal opportunity, and respect for the law. One of the mistakes of the past is to assume we can control illegal immigration on our own. A realistic immigration policy must be a two-way street. Under our plan, America will do its part, but we expect Mexico and other nations to do their part, too, to replace an illegal immigration flow with regulated, legal immigration," said Kennedy.

McCain said, "Homeland security is our nation's number one priority, this legislation includes a number of provisions that together will make our nation more secure. For far too long, our nation's broken immigration laws have gone unreformed -- leaving Americans vulnerable. We can no longer afford to delay reform. I am proud to join my colleagues today as an original Sponsor of this legislation"

"This is a comprehensive bill that doesn't try to solve the hemorrhaging immigration problem with a ban-aid -- this bill is major surgery. The majority of the illegal immigration is happening in Arizona, and I will not stand by and let southern Arizona be the doormat for this country's failed immigration policy," said Rep. Kolbe. "They are illegal immigrants -- they have broken the law and must be punished. That is why this legislation includes strict fines and penalties for those already in this country illegally and tough punishments for employers who hire illegal immigrants. More importantly, it provides the secure identification document so an employer can know the person seeking work is here legally. We must recognize reality and implement a tightly structured guest worker program to securely, and legally, fill jobs that no American is available or wants to do. Over the past several years, border security has been a necessity for all members of Congress, but it has been a top priority for only a few. Today, I am proud to continue my work as one of those few. I will work hard with Senator McCain, Senator Kennedy, Rep. Flake and Rep. Gutierrez to educate Congress and the public about the need for practical reform. We are at an important threshold -- we can either work hard to secure our borders through commonsense reform of our immigration system, or hang-on to unrealistic ideals that will never improve the safety of our country."

"We need a plan that fairly balances national security, economic reality, and worker protections, and I think our bill comes pretty darn close," said Flake. "I believe that this bill is very consistent with President Bush's principles of immigration reform and, given that the President has made immigration reform a priority of his second term, I hope that our colleagues in Congress will give this bill the consideration that it deserves."

"This bill represents a vital step toward an immigration policy that makes sense," Gutierrez said. "It reflects the enormous contributions immigrants make every day, it respects our nation's proud history of welcoming men and women to seek a better life and it better protects our homeland by creating a system of improved accountability and security."

If enacted, this legislation will help America meet 21st century challenges by replacing current outdated immigration laws with reforms that will improve our border security and make immigration policies more realistic and enforceable. The bill will help get control of our borders, strengthen our national security, create an even playing field for employers and ensure full labor rights for all our workers.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Laura Capps/Melissa Wagoner May 12, 2005 (202) 224-2633

PRESS CONFERENCE STATEMENT OF EDWARD M. KENNEDY ON COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM

It is an honor to join Senator McCain and Congressmen Luis Gutierrez, Jim Kolbe, and Jeff Flake in introducing our bipartisan legislation to reform the nation's immigration laws. The status quo is unacceptable, and we need to modernize our broken immigration system to meet the challenges of the 21st Century. And we need policies that continue to reflect our best values as a nation -- of fairness, equal opportunity, and respect for the law.

One of the mistakes of the past is to assume we can control illegal immigration on our own. A realistic immigration policy must be a two-way street. Under our plan, America will do its part, but we expect Mexico and other nations to do their part, too, to replace an illegal immigration flow with regulated, legal immigration.

That's better for American workers, better for American families, and better for American businesses.

We all recognize the need for strong border protection and enforcement as part of immigration reform. It directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to develop and implement a National Strategy for Border Security to coordinate the efforts of federal, state, local, and tribal authorities on border management and security. The Strategy will identify the areas most in need of enforcement and propose cost-effective ways to defend the border, including better ways of technology, improved intelligence-sharing and coordination. It also includes plans to combat human smuggling.

Our bill contains an earned legalization program for immigrants, a way to reduce the enormous backlog of petitions to unify families, and a revised temporary worker program. The bill also contains strict border security and enforcement provisions, coupled with measures requiring other countries to help control the flow of their citizens to jobs in the United States.

Despite our compromises and bipartisan solutions, there are some who oppose these reforms. They misleadingly categorize our efforts as an "amnesty." But, legal status must be earned by proving past work contributions, making a substantial future work commitment, and paying monetary penalties. It is not a guarantee of citizenship, but an opportunity to continue working hard, start playing by the rules, and earn permanent residency.

We offer a fair deal: if they are willing to work hard for us openly, then we're willing to do something fair for them. It's long past time to put the underground economy, above ground, and recognize the reality of immigrants in our workforce.

And by bringing immigrants out of the shadows so they can earn a fair day's pay for a fair day's work, we are protecting American workers' rights and wages, too.

We know that these reforms are long overdue. Americans want and deserve realistic solutions. They don't want open borders, and they don't want closed borders. They want smart borders.

We are a nation of immigrants, and we always will be, and our laws must be true to that proud heritage. Our bipartisan bill attempts to do that, and I look forward to working with the Administration and our colleagues on both sides of the aisle to enact it into law. Continue next post.....
 
Maybe all H1B can transfer to H5B, then you immediately get AP, EAD, your spouse can work as well. No LC, I140, etc, you can file I485...Fantastic...
 
kennedy Statement And Bill Summary Included, Continue...

McCain-Kennedy-Kolbe-Flake-Gutierrez Bill at a Glance 5/12/2005

Title I: Border Security • Requires the development of various plans and reports evaluating information-sharing, international and federal-state-local coordination, technology, anti-smuggling, and other border security initiatives • Establishes a Border Security Advisory Committee made up of various stakeholders in the border region to provide recommendations to the Department of Homeland Security regarding border enforcement • Encourages the development of multilateral partnerships to establish a North American security perimeter and improve border security south of Mexico

Title II: State Criminal Alien Assistance • Reauthorizes the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program that provides reimbursement to state and local governments for incarcerating undocumented aliens convicted of crimes • Allows for funding to pay for additional criminal justice costs associated with undocumented immigrants charged or convicted of crimes

Title III: Essential Worker Visa Program • Creates a new temporary visa to allow foreign workers to enter and fill available jobs that require few or no skills (the H-5A visa) • Applicants must show that they have a job waiting in the U.S., pay a fee of $500 in addition to application fees, and clear all security, medical, and other checks • Requires updating of America's Job Bank to make sure job opportunities are seen first by American workers • Initial cap on H-5A visas is set at 400,000, but the annual limit will be gradually adjusted up or down based on demand in subsequent years • Visa is valid for three years, and can be renewed one time for a total of 6 years; at the end of the visa period the worker either has to return home or be in the pipeline for a green card • Visa is portable, but if the worker loses his job he has to find another one within 60 days or return home • Ensures that employers hiring temporary workers abide by Federal, state and local labor, employment and tax laws • Prohibits the hiring of temporary workers as independent contractors • Protects temporary workers from abuse by foreign labor contractors or employers. • Gives temporary workers and U.S. workers remedies for violations of their rights • An employer can sponsor the H-5A visa holder for a green card, or after accumulating four years of work in H-5A status, the worker can apply to adjust status on his/her own • Sets up a task force to evaluate the H-5A program and recommend improvements

Title IV: Enforcement • Creates a new electronic work authorization system that will ultimately replace the paper-based, fraud-prone I-9 system, to be phased in gradually • When operational, the system will be applied universally and cannot be used to discriminate against job applicants • Individuals will have the right to review and correct their own records; data privacy protections are in place • Immigration-related documents and US-VISIT will be upgraded to require biometric verification of travelers • The Department of Labor will have new authority to conduct random audits of employers and ensure compliance with labor laws; also includes new worker protections and enhanced fines for illegal employment practices

TITLE V: Promoting Circular Migration Patterns • Requires foreign countries to enter into migration agreements with the U.S. that help control the flow of their citizens to jobs in the U.S., with emphasis on encouraging the re-integration of citizens returning home • Encourages the U.S. government to partner with Mexico to promote economic opportunity back home and reduce the pressure to immigrate to the U.S. • Encourages the U.S. government to partner with Mexico on health care access so that the U.S. is not unfairly impacted with the costs of administering health care to Mexican nationals

Title VI: Family Unity and Backlog Reduction • Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens are not counted against the 480,000 annual cap on family-sponsored green cards, thereby providing additional visas to the family preference categories • The current per-country limit on green cards is raised slightly to clear up backlogs • Income requirements for sponsoring a family member for a green card are changed from 125% of the federal poverty guidelines to 100%, and other obstacles are removed to ensure fairness • The employment-based categories are revised to provide additional visas for employers who need to hire permanent workers, and the annual cap is raised from 140,000 to 290,000 • Immigrant visas lost due to processing delays are recaptured for future allotments

Title VII: Adjustment of Status for H-5B Non-Immigrants • Undocumented immigrants in the U.S. on date of introduction can register for a temporary visa (H-5B), valid for six years • Applicants have to show work history, clean criminal record, and that they are not a security problem to be eligible for a temporary visa • They will receive work and travel authorization • Their spouses and children are also eligible • In order to qualify for permanent status, workers will have to meet a future work requirement, clear additional security/background checks, pay substantial fines and application fees ($2000 or more per adult) as well as back taxes, and meet English/civics requirements

Title VIII: Protection Against Immigration Fraud • Attempts to eliminate the exploitation of immigrants by notarios or other unlicensed immigration law practitioners by imposing new legal requirements on such individuals • Allows immigrants defrauded by unauthorized legal representatives to file actions against their perpetrators

Title IX: Civics Integration • Creates a public-private foundation under the USCIS Office of Citizenship to support programs that promote citizenship and to fund civics and English language instruction for immigrants • Provides for new money to fund civic and English language instruction for immigrants

Title X: Promoting Access to Health Care • Extends the authorization of federal reimbursements for hospitals that provide emergency care to undocumented immigrants; includes H-5A and H-5B workers in the program

Title XI: Miscellaneous • Distributes the fees and fines paid by H-5A and H-5B workers among the DHS and DOS for processing, DHS for border security efforts, DOL for enforcement of labor laws, SSA for development of the employment eligibility confirmation system, hospitals to pay for uncompensated health care, and the USCIS Office of Citizenship for civic integration and English classes • Requires the dissemination of information related to the provisions of this legislation • Includes anti-discrimination protections that cover all workers, including H-5A and H-5B visa holders
 
Senator Edward M. Kennedy Addresses The Need For Comprehensive Immigration Reform To

Washington, DC. Today in a joint Immigration and Terrorism Subcommittee Hearing, Senator Edward M. Kennedy discussed the need for comprehensive reform to secure our borders and strengthen our national security. The bipartisan McCain-Kennedy bill, "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" was introduced on Thursday and is co-sponsored by Senators Brownback, Lieberman, Graham, Salazar and Representatives Kolbe, Flake and Gutierrez.

Senator Kennedy spoke about his common sense strategy that will modernize a broken immigration system to meet the challenges of the 21st Century. His bill will strengthen border protection and enforcement while reflecting our best values as a nation -- of fairness, equal opportunity, and respect for the law.

"In the last 10 years, the government has spent more than $20 billion to enforce our immigration laws. Yet, none of our efforts have been adequate," Senator Kennedy said. "Americans want and deserve realistic solutions. They don't want open borders, and they don't want closed borders. They want smart borders."

The McCain-Kennedy legislations directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to develop and implement a National Strategy for Border Security to coordinate the efforts of federal, state, local, and tribal authorities on border management and security. The Strategy will identify the areas most in need of enforcement and propose cost-effective ways to defend the border, including better ways of technology, improved intelligence-sharing and coordination. It also includes plans to combat human smuggling.

To further improve border enforcement, the bill improves the security of Mexico's southern border and assesses the needs of Central American governments in securing their borders. It provides a framework for better management, communication, coordination, and immigration control for all our governments, and encourages other governments to control alien smuggling and trafficking, prevent the use and manufacture of fraudulent travel documents, and share relevant information.

Below is Senator Kennedy's full statement in today's hearing, as prepared for delivery. Also below is description of all the provisions of the bill.

STATEMENT BY SENATOR EDWARD M. KENNEDY ON COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM AND STRENGTHENING NATIONAL SECUITY

Mr. Chairman, thank you for calling this important hearing on the need for comprehensive immigration reform.

Current enforcement policies are not effective, but harsh immigration restrictions won't work either. We can't seal our borders to the millions of tourists, students, and business men and women who come to the United States each year, and we can't deport the millions of illegal workers here in the United States without crippling our economy.

In the last 10 years, the government has spent more than $20 billion to enforce our immigration laws. Yet, none of our efforts have been adequate. We've tripled the number of border patrol agents, improved surveillance technology, and installed other controls to strengthen border enforcement. Yet, illegal immigration continues. The proof is in the numbers. The number in the nation is now estimated at nearly 11 million, and it increases by almost 500,000 a year. Those already here are not leaving, and new immigrants keep coming in.

The solution is an immigration reform that is comprehensive. Enhancing enforcement or border security alone won't solve the problem. Without comprehensive reform, the status quo will continue and our immigration and border security system will remain dangerously flawed.

Last week, Senators McCain, Brownback, Lieberman, Graham, Salazar, and I introduced bipartisan legislation to modernize our broken immigration system to meet the challenges of the 21st century. Our bill will make our immigration policies more realistic and enforceable, restore legality as the prevailing norm, and make it easier for immigrants to cooperate with local authorities.

It will protect the labor rights of all workers, and create a level playing field for employers. It will strengthen our economy, restore control of our borders, and improve national security. The bill reflects the basic values of family unity, fundamental fairness, and opportunity that are at the heart of our heritage as a nation of immigrants. I look forward to working with Senator Cornyn and our colleagues on both sides of the aisle to enact it into law.

I firmly believe that we need to legalize the flow of people at our borders in order to strengthen our security and reduce threats from terrorists. Temporary worker proposals that would require the worker to go home after a period of time won't do the job. We know what will happen. Undocumented workers will not come out of the shadows and sign up for a temporary worker program. They've spent years in this country, working hard, paying taxes, and raising their children. They contribute significantly to the strength of our economy. Registering for employment now to be deported tomorrow is unfair. It won't work, it won't reduce the size of the illegal population, and it won't free up resources to target suspected terrorists and criminals.

We need an earned legalization program that will encourage undocumented workers to come forward and report to the authorities, enabling our government to properly screen and document them. Reducing the size of the undocumented population reduces the ability of terrorists to hide.

A genuine earned legalization program for undocumented workers, plus a revised temporary worker program with protections for both U.S. and foreign workers, a realistic path to citizenship for all deserving immigrants, a way to unite immigrant families, and strong border security provisions all make up critical components of comprehensive and effective immigration reform.

We know that these reforms are long overdue. The illegal workers here today are not leaving, and new ones continue to come in. A significant part of the workforce in many sectors of the economy is undocumented. Massive deportations are unrealistic as policy, impractical to carryout, and unacceptable to businesses that rely heavily on their labor. Americans want and deserve realistic solutions. They don't want open borders, and they don't want closed borders. They want smart borders.

We must replace the illegal flow with regulated, legal immigration. Detractors of this concept distort it as an amnesty proposal, but it is not an amnesty. Our goal is to bring the underground economy, above ground, and recognizing the reality of immigrants in our workplace.

I thank our witnesses at today's hearing, and I look forward to their insights on these important challenges.
 
cala said:
Maybe all H1B can transfer to H5B, then you immediately get AP, EAD, your spouse can work as well. No LC, I140, etc, you can file I485...Fantastic...
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Cala - exactly my effing thought. Why the heck a toilet cleaner should be able to adjust after 4 years with a minimum of hassle, while a university professor has to go through the whole EB process? What, those geniuses in Senate are afraid of smart people? Not surprising... yet still depressing.
 
Call me Shrek said:
Cala - exactly my effing thought. Why the heck a toilet cleaner should be able to adjust after 4 years with a minimum of hassle, while a university professor has to go through the whole EB process? What, those geniuses in Senate are afraid of smart people? Not surprising... yet still depressing.
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University professors and other people working in Air conditioning office, sitting in luxurious chair in front of their laptops and desktops, driving hondas and lexus, taking 2-3 weeks of vacation every year, are threat to American jobs, that is what Americans want to do. On the other hand toilet cleaning is no threat to american jobs they want other people to do that for them. These people have been used to slavery for ages, it ain't gonna change now not anytime soon.
 
Call me Shrek said:
Cala - exactly my effing thought. Why the heck a toilet cleaner should be able to adjust after 4 years with a minimum of hassle, while a university professor has to go through the whole EB process? What, those geniuses in Senate are afraid of smart people? Not surprising... yet still depressing.
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The bill also stays that the "toilet cleaner" will get his GC after all the University professor get theirs. All the illegal aliens will be send to the last place in the queue. I dont think there is nothing to worry about...unless you are afraid of unclean toilets.
 
Immigration Reform and Red Herrings

Last week, in a triumph of hope over experience, Sens. John McCain and Teddy Kennedy introduced an immigration bill. This will now be engulfed by all the usual rhetoric. "America is a Land of Immigrants" vs. "the English language is at risk." "Immigrants are criminals" vs. "forcing immigrants to remain illegal is the real source of crime." But consider the economic question. Will letting in those foreigners harm American workers?

Start by knocking down the dumb arguments on both sides. It's implausible to claim that poor immigrants generally do jobs that Americans won't do. Mexicans mow all the lawns in Southern California, but it doesn't follow that largely immigrant-free suburbs in Pennsylvania are choked with waist-high grass. According to the 2000 Census, 82 percent of New York taxi drivers are foreign-born. But there are still cabs to be hailed in Detroit and Cincinnati, where more than 90 percent of taxi drivers are U.S.-born.


Then there's the opposite dumb argument: that immigrants push unemployment up. Setting aside swings in the business cycle, the level of unemployment in an economy is determined by the flexibility of the labor force, not by how many people are in it and certainly not by what passports they hold. Every economy has something called the NAIRU -- the non-accelerating-inflation rate of unemployment -- and the central bank's job is to keep the monetary taps open until the jobless rate falls to that level. If the rate falls below the NAIRU, the shortage of workers will push wages up faster than output. The resulting inflation will force the central bank to jack up interest rates, slowing the economy and halting job growth.

So if you're worried about unemployment, you have to worry about the NAIRU -- about how you create a workforce that's flexible and motivated, so companies can find people to hire at sustainable wages even when unemployment is quite low. A willingness to relocate, retrain and reinvent oneself makes for a lower NAIRU; the growth of temp agencies, which give firms an efficient way of finding workers, has reduced the NAIRU, too. Immigrants, who tend to be extremely motivated, probably drive down the overall sustainable unemployment rate. In theory, if their presence somehow renders native-born workers less motivated, immigrants could simultaneously increase unemployment in the native-born section of the workforce. But attempts to measure this demoralization suggest that it is minimal.

The serious economic question is not what immigration does to unemployment but what it does to wages, particularly for poor workers. According to the census of 1970, 63 percent of immigrants in the United States had been born in Europe or Canada and were generally well educated. By 2000, however, 48 percent had been born in Mexico, Central America or the Caribbean, and more than one-third of all immigrants had less than a high school education. While immigrants counted for only 13 percent of the working-age population in 2000, they made up over half of those with less than eight years of schooling.

Logic suggests that if you increase the supply of certain workers, their wages will go down. Harvard's George Borjas, one of the nation's top immigration economists, has found that this logic holds in practice. By grouping workers according to education and experience and measuring rates of immigration and wage trends in each category, he concludes that between 1980 and 2000 immigration reduced the average annual earnings of U.S.-born college graduates by 3.6 percent and high school graduates by 2 percent. But natives without high school education were hit harder: Their wages were reduced 7.4 percent compared to what they would have been without immigration.

That's not the end of the story, however. Berkeley's David Card, another top authority, employs a different statistical technique and gets the opposite result. He starts from the fact that different cities experience different rates of immigration, and then he looks to see whether cities with lots of low-skilled immigrants have lower wages for laborers. He finds no wage effect whatsoever. This could be because demand for these workers increases with the supply of them: A gardening company with five Mexican workers armed with fancy electric hedge-trimmers would just as soon hire eight workers and give them manual shears if eight workers were available.

This academic debate is not conclusive. Borjas argues that Card's method is flawed because an influx of immigrants into one city drives U.S.-born workers to move elsewhere, so the downward pressure on wages can be captured only in nationwide numbers. This may be right for college graduates, who operate in a national labor market. But Card may have the upper hand when it comes to understanding low-wage workers. His latest paper shows that cities with high rates of unskilled immigration have reported no offsetting shrinkage in the number of native-born laborers.

What to conclude from this? Immigration does not cause unemployment ; the wage effects may well be small. And if anyone can make a conclusive argument about some other consequence of immigration, Congress might as well listen. The debate over wages is not a slam-dunk for either side. It should not determine this issue.

source: washingtonpost
 
GC_Lover said:
University professors and other people working in Air conditioning office, sitting in luxurious chair in front of their laptops and desktops, driving hondas and lexus, taking 2-3 weeks of vacation every year, are threat to American jobs, that is what Americans want to do. On the other hand toilet cleaning is no threat to american jobs they want other people to do that for them. These people have been used to slavery for ages, it ain't gonna change now not anytime soon.
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Hm. OK. They really should be careful what they wish for, or they may receive it - a whole lot more toilet cleaners (or refinery roughnecks - those people wanted me for twice the money and half the BS) and a whole lot less university professors. Haven't they read Atlas Shrugged?

CarolVA - where does it explicitly say so?

Shrek
 
Call me Shrek said:
Hm. OK. They really should be careful what they wish for, or they may receive it - a whole lot more toilet cleaners (or refinery roughnecks - those people wanted me for twice the money and half the BS) and a whole lot less university professors. Haven't they read Atlas Shrugged?

CarolVA - where does it explicitly say so?

Shrek
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Here is what it says about H5 applying GC, 2 statements

Visa is valid for three years, and can be renewed one time for a total of 6 years; at the end of the visa period the worker either has to return home or be in the pipeline for a green card

An employer can sponsor the H-5A visa holder for a green card, or after accumulating four years of work in H-5A status, the worker can apply to adjust status on his/her own
 
Two D.C. Attorneys Arrested on Immigration Fraud Charges

Federal agents arrested two attorneys and searched their downtown D.C. law firms today, accusing them of preparing phony employment documents that allowed scores of people to immigrate to the United States, officials said.

Attorneys Irwin Jay Fredman, 72, of Bethesda, and Sergei Danilov, 44, of McLean, were charged with committing immigration fraud over a four-year period that allowed at least 149 people to gain U.S. residency, according to an indictment unsealed today in federal court in Maryland.

Two legal assistants were also accused of taking part in the alleged crime.

According to the indictment, the legal team charged immigrants as much as $22,000 each to help them obtain U.S. residency. The legal professionals allegedly filled out forms stating that the immigrants were being sponsored by businesses in Prince George's and Montgomery counties, including an employment agency, a construction company, and a Pizza Boli's.

In fact, the owners of those businesses had no idea the documents were being filed, according to the indictment.

Most of the immigrants who benefited from the alleged fraud were from Pakistan, Turkey, Russia and the Philippines, according to Dean Boyd, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, which made the arrests.

ICE agents raided Fredman's office at 2120 L St. NW yesterday, officials said. "We'll be going through all that evidence. There are more -- potentially lots more" people who immigrated as a result of the alleged fraud, said Boyd.

A worker at Fredman's law office, who declined to identify herself, said "We have no comment" when a reporter telephoned this afternoon. Danilov, who worked with Fredman, could not be reached.

source: washingonpost
 
Call me Shrek said:
Hm. OK. They really should be careful what they wish for, or they may receive it - a whole lot more toilet cleaners (or refinery roughnecks - those people wanted me for twice the money and half the BS) and a whole lot less university professors. Haven't they read Atlas Shrugged?

CarolVA - where does it explicitly say so?

Shrek
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i heard that in CNN
 
Hard life of Undocumented worker

There are more than 8 million undocumented worker now living in USA. The undocument worker also pay tax like all of us here. They came to this country for one reason and that is good food and better life. During stone age people use to move towards fertile, vegitation and Riverside place for better family life. Modern days that fits towards North America and Europe.

We have our SSN and EAD, we can open bank account, we can rent appartment. Anyone ever think how these poor living without even ID and Telephone. They can't rent due to no SSN, so what they do sharing with someone and pay 3 to 4 hundred for small place to sleep. They save money and send to their family back home. I know personaly couple of them, I asked them how they get job even they do not have SSn and EAD. They told me they buy fradulant ssn and ead with couple of bucks and show them to their employer to get job. They have no Idea whose ssn they are using to get job.
But the funy part is the employer deduct tax and that goes to IRS every year.
At the end of year IRS send them a letter "We have mismatch record please contact us for your tax benefit". They throw that in dustbin in fear of caught and deported. All that money goes to govt treasury. There were billions of unclaimed tax.

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I am suffering as well.

First of all they should not be illegal...if they are they did that purposefully...now they have to face consequences..being legal I am suffering because of all the 245i cases. There is no end to this discussion. Bottom line obey the law of the land. Stay out of trouble. If you intend to do so. You will be hurting your family and yourself with that kind of lifestyle.

I think it is all necessity that leads to this behaviour ...well then I will say you should work hard to reach better lifestyle. Never follow the corrupt ways...many people even die crossing the border...honestly it is not worth it.


orissa said:
There are more than 8 million undocumented worker now living in USA. The undocument worker also pay tax like all of us here. They came to this country for one reason and that is good food and better life. During stone age people use to move towards fertile, vegitation and Riverside place for better family life. Modern days that fits towards North America and Europe.

We have our SSN and EAD, we can open bank account, we can rent appartment. Anyone ever think how these poor living without even ID and Telephone. They can't rent due to no SSN, so what they do sharing with someone and pay 3 to 4 hundred for small place to sleep. They save money and send to their family back home. I know personaly couple of them, I asked them how they get job even they do not have SSn and EAD. They told me they buy fradulant ssn and ead with couple of bucks and show them to their employer to get job. They have no Idea whose ssn they are using to get job.
But the funy part is the employer deduct tax and that goes to IRS every year.
At the end of year IRS send them a letter "We have mismatch record please contact us for your tax benefit". They throw that in dustbin in fear of caught and deported. All that money goes to govt treasury. There were billions of unclaimed tax.

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There 300k H1B now here waiting desperately for Labor cert. some here 6th some 7th. There are speculation that DOL intensly delaying so that they can easily avoid approving 330k IT Labor. Some of us here bought home, and living with wife and kids. Imagine how many of us here becomes (God forbid) out of status and we will stand behind undocument. How can it be possible to follow and obey the law of the land. Soon we will see all here.
 
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