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Be77

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1- Hello, I am a newbie here and i would like to ask a questions regarding about applying for citizenship, Well my questions is if i am unemployed and i never worked in the states is this can effect me getting my citizenship? And can my spouse sponsoring me?

2- If i Hire an attorney can the attorney attend with me to my interview or he cant enter with me i mean he has to wait for me on the waiting room ?

Thank you so much ..
 
1) Unemployment does not affect eligibility, but you may be asked how you support yourself.

2)An attorney can attend interview with you as your representative.
 
1- Hello, I am a newbie here and i would like to ask a questions regarding about applying for citizenship, Well my questions is if i am unemployed and i never worked in the states is this can effect me getting my citizenship? And can my spouse sponsoring me?

2- If i Hire an attorney can the attorney attend with me to my interview or he cant enter with me i mean he has to wait for me on the waiting room ?

Thank you so much ..

1). Being unemployed doesn't affect applying for US citizenship. You can apply on your own. it doesn't need a sponsorship from your spouse.

2) If your case is straightforward, you can apply on your own and you don't need an attorney. If your case is difficult, hire an attorney. Difficult case includes criminal conviction or immigration problems like illegal aliens, etc.

Are you applying based on marriage or 5-years rule?
 
Difficult case includes criminal conviction or immigration problems like illegal aliens, etc.

Nice one USGC! When can an illegal alien apply for USC? :) If he was illegal and approved for GC, his illegal part doesnt matter anymore...obviously he got that taken care during GC app.
 
Nice one USGC! When can an illegal alien apply for USC? :) If he was illegal and approved for GC, his illegal part doesnt matter anymore...obviously he got that taken care during GC app.

Well, sometimes green card can be revoked during the citizenship process. For example, marriage sham or lying on green card application. Marrying someone who is a US citizen while being an illegal alien and then divorcing him/her is one of the examples.

Number of reasons they can deny citizenship application:
1) marriage sham
2) voting before you become a US citizen
3) moral characters (convictions, criminal history, etc)
4) being outside USA too long
5) lying on green card application or citizenship application
6) filing too early
 
Well, sometimes green card can be revoked during the citizenship process. For example... marrying someone who is a US citizen while being an illegal alien and then divorcing him/her is one of the examples.

USGC485, true, these are SOME reasons why citizenship can be denied, but there are many more as well. Specifically, I want to address an "illegal alien" marrying a US citizen,and then divorcing him/her.
First of all, you have to prove that you entered the U.S. LEGALLY and was inspected upon entry. If you are "out of status", but entered legally, you can obtain GC by marrying a U.S. citizen. It doesn't matter how long you were "out of status", as long as you entered legally, but the onus is on you to prove that the marriage is not a marriage of convenience or that you are not trying to circumvent U.S. immigration laws, like avoid a deportation order.
After the 2 year "condition" has been removed, if your marriage is not working out, you are permitted to divorce the USC, and apply for citizenship (After 5 years as a GC holder, as long as you do not raise any red flags during your naturalization interview), this does not bar you from applying for citizenship, or else, many people who are now naturalized citizens would have been barred.
Example of a "red flag": showing on your naturalization application you had a wife, before you married the USC, but on your GC application, you did not indicate you were previously married.

But I digress. I really want to refocus on Be77’s original post:

1- Hello, I am a newbie here and i would like to ask a questions regarding about applying for citizenship, Well my questions is if i am unemployed and i never worked in the states is this can effect me getting my citizenship?

Bobsmyth and everybody else is correct. Unemployment SHOULD not have a bearing on naturalization petitions, but it sometimes does. I had my interview on September 22. 2009, and the adjudication officer made unemployment an issue, even though unemployment is not a legal basis to delay or deny citizenship. However, there’s a caveat :

…….As it relates to Naturalization petitions, even though there are NO written rules on this, immigration attorneys, will advise Naturalization petitioners that, as an “unwritten” rule, if someone is UNEMPLOYED, then he/she must be prepared to show/explain to USCIS how he/she has been supporting himself/herself without the means of any visible income; otherwise, the Adjudication Officer might deny their case in presuming the person is being involved in some kind of shady/illegal activities. SUBMITTING A NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT(S) FROM AN INDIVIDUAL(S) ABOUT BEING FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED IS SUFFICIENT………..

USCIS policy will tell you that you cannot not be denied Naturalization only because you fell on some hard economic times, and that as long as you meet Naturalization eligibility requirements, set by the USCIS, there is NO requirement by the USCIS that an applicant be employed, prior to filing a Naturalization petition, as a matter of fact, an applicant can be unemployed at the time of the Naturalization interview and test.


Please note, that according to USCIS policy, as a general rule, unemployment, does NOT adversely impact one’s ability to file and obtain U.S. Citizenship, since the "good moral character" is not an issue in being unemployed; and when it comes to "good moral character",

Normally unemployment, is not an issue at all, because, MANY people, who have been laid off or lost their jobs, pass the interview and become U.S. citizens. Given the facts and circumstances that you have presented, your unemployment may or may not affect your Naturalization petition. According to the USCIS, there are often concerns regarding whether unemployment will create problems in one's Naturalization (Citizenship) case. The required USCIS N-400, Naturalization petition application forms carry NO questions on this matter. The N-400 form and accompanying instructions, make NO note of unemployment or income requirements, as they relate to Naturalization petitions.

Proof of income or support from others should not be deemed an eligibility requirement for Naturalization based upon having been a Lawful Permanent Resident (having a "Green Card") for three years (if married to a USC) or for five years. Unless adjudication officer might be suspicious that you may have had income but failed to file required tax returns or you supported yourself through nefarious/illegal/shady means (which, in turn, would demonstrate a lack of good moral character and would be a basis for denying a Naturalization application).

As with all things with the USCIS, it differs from person to person, so you might get an adjudication officer that is not “anal”. I did not, even though I am immutably eligible and immediately approveable. Your best bet? Consult with an experienced immigration attorney and voice your concerns. If I had known that unemployment was a potential issue, I sure would have. Below is my story, and it might help you.

I entered the U.S. legally on a F-1 student visa in 1981

I have been a GC holder in Los Angeles for 7 years (since 2002).

I sent in my N-400 application on June 12, 2009. I meet the all the statutory requirements for citizenship (legal permanent resident status; residence and presence in US; and good moral character for requisite period of time(s)).

I have absolutely NO criminal or arrest record (except a speeding ticket in Boston in 1993). "Squeaky" clean.

I concluded my interview in Los Angeles, on 9/22/2009, and was asked by the AO (a real jerk ) to submit very simple documents. 1. 2007 tax return 2. Every page of my passport. 3. Documentary evidence of financial support from family/friends (# 3 because I have been unemployed since the end of 2007, even though unemployment has no bearing, legal or otherwise, on naturalization petitions. Prior to my unemployment in 2007, I had paid my taxes for 7 years straight -2000-2007). I hand delivered the documents to the AO's office on 9/25/2009. Till date, I still have not received an oath letter.


After numerous calls to the Customer Service Center, I could not get any information regarding my petition. I also contacted my State Senators and Congressman, as well as different departments in USCIS (Ombudsman, e.t.c.).

Still frustrated, I called again on 11/16/2009, and to my utter surprise, the customer service rep. said he would transfer me to an IO, who would have access to my information and could better assist me. I was shocked She (IO) was very nice and polite (another shock ). She asked me what the problem was, and I told her. She verified my personal information and address and asked to put me on hold. A few minutes later, she came back on the line and told me she has sent an "expedite letter" to the AO that interviewed me. She gave me her name and a reference # for my records, and asked me to call back if I have not heard from the AO in 3-4 weeks.

December 22, 2009 will be 90 days, and January 22, 2009 will be 120 days. I expect to receive my oath letter soon, as there are no legal or administrative grounds for denial; however, if it doesn't happen after 120 days, I will file a lawsuit with the US District Court (8 USC 1447b). The court will review the matter and may take one of several actions. The court is permitted to grant the application and naturalize me as a citizen. The court is allowed to deny the application if it believes that I do not met the requirements for citizenship (legal permanent resident status; residence and presence in US; and good moral character for requisite period of time(s) ). Which of course I do. The court may also remand the case to the USCIS with instructions to proceed with the application process.

**DISCLAIMER**
I am neither a lawyer nor an immigration consultant. My comments should NEVER be considered as legal or professional advice as they are not meant to be such.
 
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Well, sometimes green card can be revoked during the citizenship process. For example... marrying someone who is a US citizen while being an illegal alien and then divorcing him/her is one of the examples.

USGC485, true, these are SOME reasons why citizenship can be denied, but there are many more as well. Specifically, I want to address an "illegal alien" marrying a US citizen,and then divorcing him/her.
First of all, you have to prove that you entered the U.S. LEGALLY and was inspected upon entry. If you are "out of status", but entered legally, you can obtain GC by marrying a U.S. citizen. It doesn't matter how long you were "out of status", as long as you entered legally, but the onus is on you to prove that the marriage is not a marriage of convenience or that you are not trying to circumvent U.S. immigration laws, like avoid a deportation order.
After the 2 year "condition" has been removed, if your marriage is not working out, you are permitted to divorce the USC, and apply for citizenship (After 5 years as a GC holder, as long as you do not raise any red flags during your naturalization interview), this does not bar you from applying for citizenship, or else, many people who are now naturalized citizens would have been barred.
Example of a "red flag": showing on your naturalization application you had a wife, before you married the USC, but on your GC application, you did not indicate you were previously married.

But I digress. I really want to refocus on Be77’s original post:

1- Hello, I am a newbie here and i would like to ask a questions regarding about applying for citizenship, Well my questions is if i am unemployed and i never worked in the states is this can effect me getting my citizenship?

Bobsmyth and everybody else is correct. Unemployment SHOULD not have a bearing on naturalization petitions, but it sometimes does. I had my interview on September 22. 2009, and the adjudication officer made unemployment an issue, even though unemployment is not a legal basis to delay or deny citizenship. However, there’s a caveat :

…….As it relates to Naturalization petitions, even though there are NO written rules on this, immigration attorneys, will advise Naturalization petitioners that, as an “unwritten” rule, if someone is UNEMPLOYED, then he/she must be prepared to show/explain to USCIS how he/she has been supporting himself/herself without the means of any visible income; otherwise, the Adjudication Officer might deny their case in presuming the person is being involved in some kind of shady/illegal activities. SUBMITTING A NOTARIZED AFFIDAVIT(S) FROM AN INDIVIDUAL(S) ABOUT BEING FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED IS SUFFICIENT………..

USCIS policy will tell you that you cannot not be denied Naturalization only because you fell on some hard economic times, and that as long as you meet Naturalization eligibility requirements, set by the USCIS, there is NO requirement by the USCIS that an applicant be employed, prior to filing a Naturalization petition, as a matter of fact, an applicant can be unemployed at the time of the Naturalization interview and test.


Please note, that according to USCIS policy, as a general rule, unemployment, does NOT adversely impact one’s ability to file and obtain U.S. Citizenship, since the "good moral character" is not an issue in being unemployed; and when it comes to "good moral character",

Normally unemployment, is not an issue at all, because, MANY people, who have been laid off or lost their jobs, pass the interview and become U.S. citizens. Given the facts and circumstances that you have presented, your unemployment may or may not affect your Naturalization petition. According to the USCIS, there are often concerns regarding whether unemployment will create problems in one's Naturalization (Citizenship) case. The required USCIS N-400, Naturalization petition application forms carry NO questions on this matter. The N-400 form and accompanying instructions, make NO note of unemployment or income requirements, as they relate to Naturalization petitions.

Proof of income or support from others should not be deemed an eligibility requirement for Naturalization based upon having been a Lawful Permanent Resident (having a "Green Card") for three years (if married to a USC) or for five years. Unless adjudication officer might be suspicious that you may have had income but failed to file required tax returns or you supported yourself through nefarious/illegal/shady means (which, in turn, would demonstrate a lack of good moral character and would be a basis for denying a Naturalization application).

As with all things with the USCIS, it differs from person to person, so you might get an adjudication officer that is not “anal”. I did not, even though I am immutably eligible and immediately approveable. Your best bet? Consult with an experienced immigration attorney and voice your concerns. If I had known that unemployment was a potential issue, I sure would have. Below is my story, and it might help you.

I entered the U.S. legally on a F-1 student visa in 1981

I have been a GC holder in Los Angeles for 7 years (since 2002).

I sent in my N-400 application on June 12, 2009. I meet the all the statutory requirements for citizenship (legal permanent resident status; residence and presence in US; and good moral character for requisite period of time(s)).

I have absolutely NO criminal or arrest record (except a speeding ticket in Boston in 1993). "Squeaky" clean.

I concluded my interview in Los Angeles, on 9/22/2009, and was asked by the AO (a real jerk ) to submit very simple documents. 1. 2007 tax return 2. Every page of my passport. 3. Documentary evidence of financial support from family/friends (# 3 because I have been unemployed since the end of 2007, even though unemployment has no bearing, legal or otherwise, on naturalization petitions. Prior to my unemployment in 2007, I had paid my taxes for 7 years straight -2000-2007). I hand delivered the documents to the AO's office on 9/25/2009. Till date, I still have not received an oath letter.


After numerous calls to the Customer Service Center, I could not get any information regarding my petition. I also contacted my State Senators and Congressman, as well as different departments in USCIS (Ombudsman, e.t.c.).

Still frustrated, I called again on 11/16/2009, and to my utter surprise, the customer service rep. said he would transfer me to an IO, who would have access to my information and could better assist me. I was shocked She (IO) was very nice and polite (another shock ). She asked me what the problem was, and I told her. She verified my personal information and address and asked to put me on hold. A few minutes later, she came back on the line and told me she has sent an "expedite letter" to the AO that interviewed me. She gave me her name and a reference # for my records, and asked me to call back if I have not heard from the AO in 3-4 weeks.

December 22, 2009 will be 90 days, and January 22, 2009 will be 120 days. I expect to receive my oath letter soon, as there are no legal or administrative grounds for denial; however, if it doesn't happen after 120 days, I will file a lawsuit with the US District Court (8 USC 1447b). The court will review the matter and may take one of several actions. The court is permitted to grant the application and naturalize me as a citizen. The court is allowed to deny the application if it believes that I do not met the requirements for citizenship (legal permanent resident status; residence and presence in US; and good moral character for requisite period of time(s) ). Which of course I do. The court may also remand the case to the USCIS with instructions to proceed with the application process.

**DISCLAIMER**
I am neither a lawyer nor an immigration consultant. My comments should NEVER be considered as legal or professional advice as they are not meant to be such.



If there is one person who should be mad at USCIS, it should be you. In reading your case, you were ill-served by a govt cheapocrat...:rolleyes: It seems as if the IO would like you to be employed while there are millions of native born Americans sucking the govt boobs of welfare....:eek: USCIS should have the burden of proof to show that someone is involved in illegal activities to support themselves, unless you came to the interview with $10,000 strapped to your waistline....:(

I hope you hear from that nasty officer with a nice oath letter. If you are denied, file a lawsuit, dealing with district court on such matters is less complicated, a nice hardworking court clerk can help you take USCIS to the woodshed...:eek:
 
Al Southner,

thank you for the morale booster. After my interview, I have experienced every emotion; shock, surprise, anger, depression, rage, indignation, trepidation, resignation, name it, I've experienced it.

I came to the U.S. legally as a student (granted that for quite a while after I graduated college, I was "out of status"). Obtained my green card in 2002. I have lived in the U.S. for 28 years, without a blemish on my record. Graduated university with 3 degrees. Worked hard, paid taxes, and this is the treatment I get from USCIS.

I didn't mention that during my interview, right after I had taken the "truth" oath, the AO made a condescending and derogatory remark about my national origin, which totally floored me and set the tone for the interview. I remained calm, and endured more insults during the interview ( he said he wanted me to bring in documentary evidence of financial support from my family /friends, because he wanted to make sure that (get ready for this....) I wasn't running around robbing banks or something! I mean, we're talking December 2007 -present. Not only did I get a $6,000 refund on my 2007 tax return, I travelled in and out of the country developing business. It wasn't as if I was just sitting around singing "kumbaya".

He also questioned my travels ( my family is financially well off and we've been traveling the world since I was 2 months old). Throughout my life, I have never travelled to any suspicious countries (on DHS watchlist). Mostly European countries (England, Holland, Germany, France, Sweden e.t.c), Japan, Brazil, Jamaica, Aruba, St, Marteen, St. Barts, British Virgin Islands, South Africa e.t.c.

Keep in mind, that in the requisite statutory period preceeding my naturalization application, I never stayed out more than 5 months, and I was in the U.S. for 40 months in the same period (requirement is 30 months). The AO said, I should submit every page of my passport, because as he said to me, "You travel a lot" (In 2 years, I travelled 4 times to the same country, South Africa, on business, once to Brazil on vacation (went to the Rio carnival) and once to Canada on vacation, to visit my brother, who also has supported me. Both vacations were sponsored by my family). If I did not violate my continuous or physical presence requirements, what did it matter? He also said "I'm going to make you spend a lot of nickels at the photocopying machine". This guy was a real jerk, and that's being polite.

Plus, I never collected unemployment or Government assistance and when the economy got really bad, with the financial help of my family, I started developing a business as a U.S. based consultant, by linking U.S. companies with companies abroad who wanted to become exclusive distributors or who simply wanted to purchase products that the U.S. companies manufactured. I am in the middle of putting together deals for a huge apparel company in Los Angeles and an agricultural equipment company in Des Moines, Iowa. I gave the AO the contact information for the C.E.O.s of both companies. I was hoping I would have completed my citizenship process, so that I can benefit from all the hard work I put in. I don't want to travel, in case I get an Oath letter.

On the domestic side, I'm developing product proto-types in the Novelty/Gift and Luxury Furniture industries. I also gave the AO info on this, yet he had the guts to insinuate that I might have been running around robbing banks or something!

I gave him 2 notarized statements of financial support from my brother, who is a Medical Doctor in Calgary Canada, and my friend in Los Angeles. I also showed him my bank statements from 2007-present showing incoming transfers and deposits from famil/friends, as well as transfers that I made to my landlord in Los Angeles, to pay my rent, when I was out of the the U.S. on business.

He can suspect all he wants, I know I am clean, so eventually, he either has to approve my oath letter or give me a legal or administrative reason why he is denying my petition.

By the way, I have already written a passionate and compelling 15 page letter of complaint (including U.S.immigration laws and USCIS policy memorandum relating to the illegality of the AO's actions) to The President, Attorney General, Secretary of Dept. of Homeland Security, Director of USCIS (who ironically is a cuban immigrant that became a naturalized citizen), Director of USCIS Office of Internal Audit, Director of USCIS Office of Security and Integrity, Director of USCIS Office of Citizenship, CIS Ombudsman, My two U.S. Senators, my Congressman, ALL the members of the Senate Committe on The Judiciary, Subcommitte on Immigration, Asylum and Border Security, ALL the members of the House Committe on The Judiciary, Subcommittee on Immigration, Asylum and Border Security and my Attorney. I'm just waiting to see if I receive my oath letter before 120 days...or else.. on 121st day, I will fille the USC 8 1447(b) lawsuit in U.S. District Court.
 
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1). Being unemployed doesn't affect applying for US citizenship. You can apply on your own. it doesn't need a sponsorship from your spouse.

2) If your case is straightforward, you can apply on your own and you don't need an attorney. If your case is difficult, hire an attorney. Difficult case includes criminal conviction or immigration problems like illegal aliens, etc.

Are you applying based on marriage or 5-years rule?


Thank you so much All for ur help, Well I am applying based on marriage. 3 Years. and the reason i am going to hire an attorney is because i dont want to get a mean IO, thats all other wise i have no problem with the Immigration or criminal stuff. i am very good resident.

Oh by theway if i dont have a job then why i have to send my spouse tax papers ?? can i send my Application without tax return? or my spouse still has to send it with the appication?
 
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Still frustrated, I called again on 11/16/2009, and to my utter surprise, the customer service rep. said he would transfer me to an IO, who would have access to my information and could better assist me.

So is your frustration with USCIS based on the bad IO you had at interview or on your expectation that you should have received an answer way before the allowed 120 days after interview limit? Something really must have set you off to go to the extremes you have described.
 
Be77,

Please understand one thing, no one is saying you have committed any Crimes Involving Moral Terpitude (CIMT). It's not about your truth, or what you know is real. In the post "9/11" era, USCIS AOs can see "ghosts" where there are none. Some, not all, adjudication officers do play "God", and they often issue errorneous Requests For Evidence (RFEs) or Notices Of Intent To Deny (NOIDs) that inevitably can delay your petiton considerably. I pray you get a reasonable AO.

Remember the movie "Sixth Sense"? The famous line from that movie was " I see dead people". Well, as an analogy, USCIS adjudication officers see things that may or may not be there. Catch the drift? I KNOW I don't have ANY issues and my naturalization petition is straight forward and uncomplicated, and should have been immediately approved, but unfortunately, I ended up with an AO that feels differently and applied adjudication standards that are outside of clearly established eligibility requirements, and is downright unlawful. It really doesn't matter, because, at the end of the day, I can complain about it till I am grey, or, I can do something about it. I pray you don't have to deal with it, because it is unfair and stressful.

Because the AOs know that they legally have 120 days from the interview date to approve or deny, for reasons best known to some AOs, they drag their feet, or quickly respond, only when pressure from external forces (Senators, Congressmen, CIS Ombudsman, USCIS OIA, USCIS OSI) is put on them. It's just the way the cookie crumbles, sometimes.

AO's often have unfounded suspicions or apply standards of adjudication that flout U.S. immigration laws and established USCIS policy memorandum. It's not fair, but it happens. The key is, if it happens, you should immediately identify the error and use all resources available to you to try and rectify the error, before you are forced to turn to unnecessary, time consuming and expensive legal remedies (e.g. USC 8 1447 (b) "120 day" lawsuit).

As for whether or not you should have an attorney present at your interview, I believe I answered that in my first reply. I quote:
".....As with all things with the USCIS, it differs from person to person, so you might get an adjudication officer that is not “anal”. I did not, even though I am immutably eligible and immediately approveable. Your best bet? Consult with an experienced immigration attorney and voice your concerns. If I had known that unemployment was a potential issue, I sure would have..."

**DISCLAIMER**
I am neither a lawyer nor an immigration consultant. My comments should NEVER be considered as legal or professional advice as they are not meant to be such.
 
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It is understandable, I am guessing your frustration is because of the treatment and unnecessery & unprofissonal comments.As you mentioned some of officers think that they are god and untouchable. It feels good to fight them back and hit them harder than they expect specially if there is nothing to worry about your application or backround. hang in there and don't quite fighting. Keep us posted. Good luck
 
Bobsmyth and Immigrant66

Yes. The IO was definitely not professional (based on his lack of decorum), coupled with his unreasonably delay of my petition. Maybe he was having a "bad" day or his wife was having an affair with the pool boy (comic relief), or he just was exhibiting bias inherent to his nature. At first, I tried to be patient, and "let it go", and I probably would have, if he had approved my petition, but, as I waited, and he still didn't respond, I decided that I couldn't leave my fate in his hands, especially if he had an "agenda" and I had been treated with so much unsolicited and undeserved contempt.

I don't really have any beef with USCIS (up till my naturalization interview, I had no bad experiences with USCIS or its employees). If you read my earlier thread (responding to Al Southner), I tried to explain in a nut shell, what happened, and the things the IO said to "set me off" like this. I instinctively knew that I was going to have problems with my petition, even before the interview started, not because there were any issues with my petition, but, just by the IO's disposition and inappropriate remarks.

The mistake he made, was, unlike some petitioners, that are intimidated or scared of the USCIS, I am not. I have been around long enough (28 years) to know when to stand up for my rights and when to cut my losses. Moreover, "Evil prospers when good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke and "Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand" - Bodie Thoene. Despite the IO's borish behavior, I was calm, cool, collected, respectful and polite during the interview and swallowed the IO's insults, but there is a fine line between patience and cowardice. One of the reasons I am attracted to U.S. citizenship, is that in this country, the justice and legal system is "reasonably" fair and just. When there is an injustice, no matter how formidable the erring opponent is, I believe in staying persistent because, "it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease".

After my experience, as part of my complaint, I have even suggested to the CIS Ombudsman that naturalization interviews should be digitally audio/video taped, and kept on record for 30 days, so that if their is any misconduct, a petitioner can request that his/her interview be reviewed within that 30 day window. This ensures that IOs will watch their ps and qs, dot their is, cross their ts, and it will also protect IOs from frivolous or untruthful accusations.

I also suggested to the Ombudsman that naturalization interview notices, should clearly and visibly state that the petitioner has the right to stop the interview and demand to speak with the IO's supervisor, if they notice any misconduct or inappropriate language or behavior. I NOW know petioners are permitted to do this, but I was not aware of this fact at the time of my interview, otherwise I would have stopped the interview and asked for the IO's supervisor, and possibly requested another IO.

**DISCLAIMER**
I am neither a lawyer nor an immigration consultant. My comments should NEVER be considered as legal or professional advice as they are not meant to be such.
 
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Be77,

Please understand one thing, no one is saying you have committed any Crimes Involving Moral Terpitude (CIMT). It's not about your truth, or what you know is real. In the post "9/11" era, USCIS AOs can see "ghosts" where there are none. Some, not all, adjudication officers do play "God", and they often issue errorneous Requests For Evidence (RFEs) or Notices Of Intent To Deny (NOIDs) that inevitably can delay your petiton considerably. I pray you get a reasonable AO.

Remember the movie "Sixth Sense"? The famous line from that movie was " I see dead people". Well, as an analogy, USCIS adjudication officers see things that may or may not be there. Catch the drift? I KNOW I don't have ANY issues and my naturalization petition is straight forward and uncomplicated, and should have been immediately approved, but unfortunately, I ended up with an AO that feels differently and applied adjudication standards that are outside of clearly established eligibility requirements, and is downright unlawful. It really doesn't matter, because, at the end of the day, I can complain about it till I am grey, or, I can do something about it. I pray you don't have to deal with it, because it is unfair and stressful.

Because the AOs know that they legally have 120 days from the interview date to approve or deny, for reasons best known to some AOs, they drag their feet, or quickly respond, only when pressure from external forces (Senators, Congressmen, CIS Ombudsman, USCIS OIA, USCIS OSI) is put on them. It's just the way the cookie crumbles, sometimes.

AO's often have unfounded suspicions or apply standards of adjudication that flout U.S. immigration laws and established USCIS policy memorandum. It's not fair, but it happens. The key is, if it happens, you should immediately identify the error and use all resources available to you to try and rectify the error, before you are forced to turn to unnecessary, time consuming and expensive legal remedies (e.g. USC 8 1447 (b) "120 day" lawsuit).

As for whether or not you should have an attorney present at your interview, I believe I answered that in my first reply. I quote:
".....As with all things with the USCIS, it differs from person to person, so you might get an adjudication officer that is not “anal”. I did not, even though I am immutably eligible and immediately approveable. Your best bet? Consult with an experienced immigration attorney and voice your concerns. If I had known that unemployment was a potential issue, I sure would have..."

**DISCLAIMER**
I am neither a lawyer nor an immigration consultant. My comments should NEVER be considered as legal or professional advice as they are not meant to be such.


I understand that .. But i am talking abut Citizenship not AOS.

Thank you so much :)
 
I understand that .. But i am talking abut Citizenship not AOS.

Thank you so much :)


Hello????? This IS a citizenship thread, not an AOS thread :confused: You think RFEs (WR-822/N-14) are not issued during citizenship interviews?

You're welcome.

**DISCLAIMER**
I am neither a lawyer nor an immigration consultant. My comments should NEVER be considered as legal or professional advice as they are not meant to be such
 
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Thank you so much All for ur help, Well I am applying based on marriage. 3 Years. and the reason i am going to hire an attorney is because i dont want to get a mean IO, thats all other wise i have no problem with the Immigration or criminal stuff. i am very good resident.

Oh by theway if i dont have a job then why i have to send my spouse tax papers ?? can i send my Application without tax return? or my spouse still has to send it with the appication?

IOs are not mean, they are sometimes prejudiced. A good IO should have seen a few hundred, maybe a few thousand cases. Having gone through so many cases, don't you think their antenna goes up just a bit when they see something out of the norm. While I do not expect an IO to make a sarcastic comment to me, I can understand it if they are trying to psych the applicant to confirm their suspicion. I am also sure that they will be able to make such comments without actually violating their Dos and Don'ts ... a good interrogator learns how to say things without actually violating someone's rights.

In an N-400 case, the IOs job is to grant the citizenship AFTER having satisfied that you have satisfied the conditions of residency. Besides their "interrogation" skills, they have also been given formal guidelines which help them evaluate an applicant. For example, filing taxes is one of them. Now a candidate comes to the IO and says "I did not file returns for past 5 years", but please do not ask me about how I supported myself, and I do not want to provide my spouse's tax returns. Why would the IO buy that? And even if you give a good verbal story, doesn't the IO have the right to see the proof in the form of documents. How can someone say I am a good resident without showing the source of finances which supported them for 3-5 years?

Yes, some IOs may not be able to hide their personal feelings, but I think this situation is rare, and mostly happens when an applicant's file has some issue.

On the other hand, CIS continues to have a problem in the area of supplying status, and clarifying why things are stuck ... and maybe this creates a worse perception than the IO's interrogation.

EDIT (Add): You do not need to send tax return with the application. It is required only if they ask you to produce it. The documentation requirements for initiating N400 are very minimal.

If you are truly a "good resident", you do not require a lawyer. Save the money for a day when your case gets stuck.
 
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I also suggested to the Ombudsman that naturalization interview notices, should clearly and visibly state that the petitioner has the right to stop the interview and demand to speak with the IO's supervisor, if they notice any misconduct or inappropriate language or behavior. I NOW know petioners are permitted to do this, but I was not aware of this fact at the time of my interview, otherwise I would have stopped the interview and asked for the IO's supervisor, and possibly requested another IO.
Some DOs currently take interviews, but not all.
I wonder if you'll get a response from the Ombudsman's office. Sadly, most people don't bother providing USCIS with feedback, whether good or bad.
 
Bobsmyth,

I haven't received a response from the Ombudsman, regarding my "continued" petition and submitting DHS Form 7001 to the Ombudsman's office. However, I did get an e-mail response regarding the suggestions I made regarding taping intewrviews and so forth. It's sort of "generic". Here it is:

Good Morning Mr. xxxxxxxx:

Thank you for your recent correspondence to the Office of the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman (CIS Ombudsman). I appreciate your suggestions.

Under the authority of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, the CIS Ombudsman assists individuals and employers who experience specific problems during the USCIS benefits seeking process, largely to identify problems and to formulate recommendations to improve the USCIS service. Please see our website for more information about the CIS Ombudsman (www.dhs.gov/cisombudsman/).

I believe that first hand information from individuals like you is the best source for identifying systemic problems in the immigration benefits process. My office will consider the information you provided as we develop recommendations to improve USCIS’ practices and procedures.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact my office, and for giving me the opportunity to serve you. I look forward to the day when I can report that the work of this office has been accomplished because our vision of a world-class immigration benefits system has been achieved. Your contribution takes us a step closer to reaching this goal.

Best regards,

CIS Ombudsman

**DISCLAIMER**
I am neither a lawyer nor an immigration consultant. My comments should NEVER be considered as legal or professional advice as they are not meant to be such
 
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