180 days regulation

deep varma

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All,

As we can see the below link and it seems DOS has issued guidelines to consulates for 180days rule.By reading it the conculusion i make is that if you applied for AOS and case is pending for more than 180 days, then by taking copy of I140 approval and receipt notice to consulate to get GC. I sent mail to my attroney for further clarification and please talk to your attroney\'s for more clarification and we can take advantage of it.

http://www.isn.org/news/20010613084241.html
 
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Here it is, Ciba what do you say. Can anybody please help in understanding this in layman terms what this means....thanks

Department of State Advises on Issuance of H-1B Visas Beyond Six Years

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The US Department of State has sent a cable to all consular posts with information on the American Competitiveness in the 21st Century Act (AC21), in particular section 106.

The cable includes advice to the posts on issuance of H-1B visas for extensions of stay beyond six years, and advice on handling immigrant petition/labor certification portability issues.

The entire cable appears below:

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UNCLASSIFIED
TELEGRAM June 11, 2001

To: ALL DIPLOMATIC AND CONSULAR POSTS - ROUTINE

Origin: VO

From: SECSTATE WASHDC (STATE 102000 - ROUTINE)

TAGS: CVIS

Captions: VISAS

Subject: OTHER NEW H-1(B) PROVISIONS

Ref: (A)P.L. 106-313, (B)STATE 27960

_______________________________________________________________

1. SUMMARY: In addition to the changes mentioned in ref. B., Public Law 106-313 (The American Competitiveness in the 21ST Century Act of 2000) also provided for extension of authorized stay beyond the statutory limit of six years in H-1B status if:

(1) an H-1B alien is a prospective immigrant under INA 203(b) and

(2) the petition, labor certification, or the alien\'s application for adjustment of status has not been acted upon for 365 days or more.

That Act also adds two other new provisions to the INA to protect aliens seeking immigrant status from unwarranted penalties because of delays on the part of the INS in adjudicating applications.

2. Extension of permissible H-1B period of stay:

(a) Section 106(a) of P.L.106-313 (erroneously cited as 106-396 in reftel) waives the INA 214(g) six-year limit on stay for H-1B aliens as described in the summary. Paragraph (b) provides for the extensions as H-lBs to be in one-year increments beyond the six-year limit until the final determination regarding the alien\'s permanent resident status is made.

(b) There are two points in particular to notice with respect to the provisions described above. One is the need for the delay to be at least one year (365 days). The other is that the provision respecting the extension beyond six years relates solely to the length of stay permitted. It does not automatically extend the validity of the petition underlying that status. Therefore:

(I) The labor certification, immigrant visa petition, or application for adjustment must have been filed before the end of 5 years after entry as an H-1B (at a port of entry or by change of status). Otherwise, the petition (which would have been extended only to six years) would have expired before the 365 days could run. Restated, if the alien\'s six-year period of stay expires before the end of the requisite 365 days, the alien does not benefit from this provision and is simply out of status.

(ii) Even if an alien does benefit from the time extension, there is no basis for issuance of a new H-1B visa at a consular post unless/until the prior petition has been extended or a new one approved. As in the case of H-1B portability (see reftel), a valid petition is a basic condition for issuance of a new H-1B visa, whether it is the original or a new petition. Therefore, no visa may be issued unless a valid H-1B petition exists.

3. Compensating for administrative delays:

(a) The new provisions added to the INA by Section 106(c) are:

(I) INA 204(j). Job Flexibility for Long Delayed Applicants for Adjustment of Status. This provides for a continuing validity of an initial approved petition, even if the alien has subsequently changed jobs if:

(A) the alien has applied for adjustment of status based on the petition filed and approved to accord INA 203(b) status and the adjustment application has not been adjudicated within 180 days, and,

(B) the new job is in the same or a similar occupation to that for which that petition was approved. If these requirements are met, an I-140 filed by the new employer is not required.

(ii) An amendment to INA 212(a)(5)(A) (new clause (iv)) to accord an identical continuing labor certification validity under the same circumstances as those stated above with respect to petitions.

(b) Thus, consular officers could adjudicate an application for a visa without the necessity for a new I-140 if an alien benefitting from this provision were to apply for an immigrant visa at a consular office and:

(i) the job is in the same or a similar occupation as that for which the original petition was filed and approved; and

(ii) the application for adjustment had been pending the requisite time (180 days).

4. Consular officers may reasonably expect an applicant described in para 3(b) to have a copy of the INS Form I-797 showing the approval (and the filing date) of the petition on the basis of which the alien applied for adjustment of status. S/he might also be reasonably expected to have a receipt showing the date of his/her application for adjustment. It should therefore be fairly simple to establish the second criterion shown above. Careful interviewing with respect to the job for which originally hired and the current job should enable the consular officer to establish to his or her satisfaction whether the jobs are sufficiently alike. If post is unsure whether the provisions of INA 204(j) apply in a particular case, the post should submit an advisory opinion request to VO/L/A for guidance.

POWELL
 
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Guys,

It clearly says about AOS and which is I-485 and has no relation with consular processing. So, it seems they want to reduce backlog here and this is the way to implement 180days rule.
Read last paragraph carefully and it has lot of information which is useful to us.
 
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Here it is, Ciba what do you say. Can anybody please help in understanding this in layman terms what this means....thanks

Department of State Advises on Issuance of H-1B Visas Beyond Six Years

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The US Department of State has sent a cable to all consular posts with information on the American Competitiveness in the 21st Century Act (AC21), in particular section 106.

The cable includes advice to the posts on issuance of H-1B visas for extensions of stay beyond six years, and advice on handling immigrant petition/labor certification portability issues.

The entire cable appears below:

************************************************

UNCLASSIFIED
TELEGRAM June 11, 2001

To: ALL DIPLOMATIC AND CONSULAR POSTS - ROUTINE

Origin: VO

From: SECSTATE WASHDC (STATE 102000 - ROUTINE)

TAGS: CVIS

Captions: VISAS

Subject: OTHER NEW H-1(B) PROVISIONS

Ref: (A)P.L. 106-313, (B)STATE 27960

_______________________________________________________________

1. SUMMARY: In addition to the changes mentioned in ref. B., Public Law 106-313 (The American Competitiveness in the 21ST Century Act of 2000) also provided for extension of authorized stay beyond the statutory limit of six years in H-1B status if:

(1) an H-1B alien is a prospective immigrant under INA 203(b) and

(2) the petition, labor certification, or the alien\'s application for adjustment of status has not been acted upon for 365 days or more.

That Act also adds two other new provisions to the INA to protect aliens seeking immigrant status from unwarranted penalties because of delays on the part of the INS in adjudicating applications.

2. Extension of permissible H-1B period of stay:

(a) Section 106(a) of P.L.106-313 (erroneously cited as 106-396 in reftel) waives the INA 214(g) six-year limit on stay for H-1B aliens as described in the summary. Paragraph (b) provides for the extensions as H-lBs to be in one-year increments beyond the six-year limit until the final determination regarding the alien\'s permanent resident status is made.

(b) There are two points in particular to notice with respect to the provisions described above. One is the need for the delay to be at least one year (365 days). The other is that the provision respecting the extension beyond six years relates solely to the length of stay permitted. It does not automatically extend the validity of the petition underlying that status. Therefore:

(I) The labor certification, immigrant visa petition, or application for adjustment must have been filed before the end of 5 years after entry as an H-1B (at a port of entry or by change of status). Otherwise, the petition (which would have been extended only to six years) would have expired before the 365 days could run. Restated, if the alien\'s six-year period of stay expires before the end of the requisite 365 days, the alien does not benefit from this provision and is simply out of status.

(ii) Even if an alien does benefit from the time extension, there is no basis for issuance of a new H-1B visa at a consular post unless/until the prior petition has been extended or a new one approved. As in the case of H-1B portability (see reftel), a valid petition is a basic condition for issuance of a new H-1B visa, whether it is the original or a new petition. Therefore, no visa may be issued unless a valid H-1B petition exists.

3. Compensating for administrative delays:

(a) The new provisions added to the INA by Section 106(c) are:

(I) INA 204(j). Job Flexibility for Long Delayed Applicants for Adjustment of Status. This provides for a continuing validity of an initial approved petition, even if the alien has subsequently changed jobs if:

(A) the alien has applied for adjustment of status based on the petition filed and approved to accord INA 203(b) status and the adjustment application has not been adjudicated within 180 days, and,

(B) the new job is in the same or a similar occupation to that for which that petition was approved. If these requirements are met, an I-140 filed by the new employer is not required.

(ii) An amendment to INA 212(a)(5)(A) (new clause (iv)) to accord an identical continuing labor certification validity under the same circumstances as those stated above with respect to petitions.

(b) Thus, consular officers could adjudicate an application for a visa without the necessity for a new I-140 if an alien benefitting from this provision were to apply for an immigrant visa at a consular office and:

(i) the job is in the same or a similar occupation as that for which the original petition was filed and approved; and

(ii) the application for adjustment had been pending the requisite time (180 days).

4. Consular officers may reasonably expect an applicant described in para 3(b) to have a copy of the INS Form I-797 showing the approval (and the filing date) of the petition on the basis of which the alien applied for adjustment of status. S/he might also be reasonably expected to have a receipt showing the date of his/her application for adjustment. It should therefore be fairly simple to establish the second criterion shown above. Careful interviewing with respect to the job for which originally hired and the current job should enable the consular officer to establish to his or her satisfaction whether the jobs are sufficiently alike. If post is unsure whether the provisions of INA 204(j) apply in a particular case, the post should submit an advisory opinion request to VO/L/A for guidance.

POWELL
 
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what is the relevance of 180 day rule with respect to
Consular processing cases. Isnt 180 day rule
only applicable to 485 cases? If that is so, these
regulations are applicable to 485 filers.
They seem to offer 485 filers an option to
convert to CP(after 180 days passed)
by filing I824 and then "apply for an
immigrant visa at the consulates" as stated in Point 3b.
 
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it means that, with 140 approval notice and 180 days old 485 receipt we can get immigrant visa from the consulate,

thats what i understand out of it.
what do u guys think about it.
 
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I also understood the same...also if changed jobs then proof that you work in same category your 140 /lc was filed....people like me who has not changed or will not change after 180 days wont have to show proof that new job falls under same category..
 
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Guys ,

Lets get clarification from attroneys and then lets put feedback to see how best we can use it
 
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Thats a good idea, we should talk to our lawyers and post info here to double check what does the different lawyers say about it.
 
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I did, although the news is not good...

I am in a tough spot right now. My client is trying to convert me from a contractor to a permanent employee. My I-485, with my current employer, was filed in Jan/01 and received the notice in Feb/01. I asked my future employer\'s attorney earlier today if I could do an I-485 transfer after 180 days. The following is the reply:

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"The law says that an individual may change employers after his/her I485 has
been pending for more than 180 days provided he/she is accepting a position
that is the "same or similar" to the occupation offered by the original
petitioning employer. Since there are no regulations to define this yet, we
are hesitant to encourage a move at this point."
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I think that there are already some people who changed the jobs after 180 days, I think that if you keep your title similar ( say software engineer in the sponsering company and software engineer in the new company then you should be fine)..again lawyers are the best people to tell you what to do...
 
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Guys, lets hunt some guys out who have changed and see if we can get more info....so many people want to change after 180 days.....
 
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I work for a big company with a huge immigration staff and a few knowledeable people. I discussed this 180 day issue with them a while ago and they said from what they have been advised from INS, a person can switch jobs after 180 days from RD if the AOS is pending.

I believe this official announcement makes this thoery more solid, question that still remains is whether it is applicable to AOS (non-CP).

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