Change of employer within 3 months of getting GC

Citizenwannabe

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I came out of emplyment with the GC sponsor within 3 months of getting GC, in 2004. I subsequently started working for my own company or other companies from time to time. Would that be a problem in my N-400 / Naturalization process. I continued in the same skill that I had my H1 on and the same for which GC was approved.
 
Well. You may want to be prepared to explain why you did that within such a short period of time.

It has been well debated in this form and the other exchanges on how long you should work for sponsoring company following GC approval in order to show an internt for the orginal sponsorship of GC. I think a general rule is 6 to 12 monthes. Longer is better to show permanent intent.

If leaving was due to layoff /reorganization, I do not believe you need to worry about that .just make sure you can produce some support documents.

It will also depend on IO in case if USCIS may inquire about GC.

Please see exchange including the response from Rajiv S. Khanna (Attorney and Host for this forum).


http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=176490&page=2

I would say there is a risk.
 
There is a 30-60-90 rule that applies to this.

Do a web search for "30-60-90 rule"


Less than 30 days is risky.
Less than 60 days is maybe.
More than 90 days should be ok


The case is titled :

United States District Court,
M.D. Louisiana.
Ahmad Reza SEIHOON
v.
Edward H. LEVY, Attorney General of the United States, et al.
Civ. A. No. 75--220.
March 12, 1976.
 
There is a 30-60-90 rule that applies to this.

Do a web search for "30-60-90 rule"


Less than 30 days is risky.
Less than 60 days is maybe.
More than 90 days should be ok


The case is titled :

United States District Court,
M.D. Louisiana.
Ahmad Reza SEIHOON
v.
Edward H. LEVY, Attorney General of the United States, et al.
Civ. A. No. 75--220.
March 12, 1976.

Yes, there is a case but it has been noted by many (including host Rajiv Khanna) that less than 6 month typically does not show the permanent intent by GC holder to work for sponsoring company.
 
Issues of Intent: How Does USCIS Determine
What’s In Your Head?


In order to obtain certain immigration benefits, applicants must demonstrate to USCIS that they have certain intentions. A person’s intentions are internal and can only be ascertained through analysis of the person’s actions. There three major contexts in which USCIS requires a person to have a certain intent: (1) in order to gain admission to the United States in any nonimmigrant status besides H or L, the applicant must have nonimmigrant intent; (2) in order to be granted permanent resident status based on employment, the alien must intend to continue working indefinitely for the employer that filed his I-140 petition; and (3) in order to be naturalized, an alien must show that he intended to maintain his residence in the United States.

Nonimmigrant Intent

In 1976, a landmark court case called Seihoon v. Levy clearly set the boundaries of the INS in determining the intent of individuals. Because the INS won the case, INS officers cite it constantly to demonstrate how intent can be determined. If the INS had lost the case, INS officers would say that the decision was limited to the person who brought the case. In any case, Seihoon v. Levy was brought before a U.S. District Court on appeal by an alien who contended that the INS had improperly denied his application for a change of status from Visitor status to Student status. The INS had originally denied his petition because while he entered the U.S. as a visitor, he immediately enrolled in a U.S. university and sought to change his status to student status. INS decided that because the alien had decided so rapidly to change from Visitor to Student status, he had misrepresented his intention to enter the U.S. as a visitor only. INS determined that his true intent, when entering as a “visitor,” was to enroll in a U.S. school.

The District Court decided that the INS had acted correctly when it denied the alien’s application for change of status to Student status. The Court’s reasoning was that the “rapid course of events” following the alien’s entry to the U.S. on Visitor status was evidence of his intent upon entry. While the Court recognized that it is impossible for the INS to read people’s minds in order to determine their intentions, it is certainly possible for the INS to observe the behavior that people exhibit after they express an intention. They can then compare people’s behavior to their expressed intentions, to see if it corresponds. If the “rapid course of events” following a person’s statement of intent seems to indicate that the person intended something other than what he or she expressed to the INS, then the consequences can be serious.

In the case of Seihoon v. Levy, the alien’s change of status was denied and he was not able to enroll in university classes in the U.S. at that time. The concept of nonimmigrant intent is applied to all nonimmigrant statuses except for H and L, which are exempt by law from this requirement. For example, if a B-2 visitor enters the U.S. and files a permanent residency application a few weeks later, USCIS is likely to find that the alien misrepresented his intent upon entry to the United States to enter only as a “visitor.”

The concept of “intent” is borrowed from Seihoon v. Levy and applied to many other immigration contexts in which the alien is required to have a certain intent.
Intent to Work for the I-140 or I-360 Petitioner

Employment-based nonimmigrant visa holders can obtain permanent residence (PR) either by Consular Processing or by Adjustment of Status. If Consular Processing is chosen, the alien must present a letter of employment at the time of the Consulate interview abroad, stating that upon receiving of PR status, he or she intends to work indefinitely for the petitioning employer on the underlying I-140 petition. This statement is required based on the underlying assumption that the alien is entering the U.S. primarily to work in an occupation for which there is a shortage of U.S. workers. Unfortunately intent is a difficult thing to document or to prove.

For beneficiaries of I-360 Religious Worker Petitions, there is an additional intent requirement. Not only must the beneficiary intend, at the time of the consulate interview or adjustment of status to work for the I-360 petitioner after he is granted permanent residence; he must also be entering the U.S. "solely" to carry on religious work in the denomination that sponsored the I-360. This means that he must intend to work full time for the I-360 petitioner and that he must not intend to engage in additional, supplemental employment apart from his religious work.

If USCIS believes that a permanent resident received a green card following a Consular Processing interview at which he or she misrepresented his/her intention to continue working for the petitioning employer, or to work "solely" as a religious worker in the I-360 context, then he or she may be guilty of making a material misrepresentation (fraud) and may never be able to become a naturalized citizen based on that green card. In addition, USCIS routinely deports individuals who make such misrepresentations.

There are two ways in which the alien’s intent at the time of the Consulate interview may come into question. The first would be if someone reported the alien’s misrepresentation to the USCIS. The tip-off could come from an aggrieved employer who supported the alien’s immigration process in anticipation of a continued employment; or it could come from a fellow employee who is aware of the situation. It could also come from an angry ex-boyfriend or girlfriend. Anyone can call USCIS to report that someone has broken immigration laws. Upon receiving a tip-off, USCIS would have to launch an investigation. The other way in which the alien’s misrepresentation might be discovered would be at the time of his or her Naturalization interview. The USCIS officer conducting the interview would query the alien on his or her actions following receipt of permanent status. If at that time it came out that the alien changed employers of his/her own accord immediately following receipt of permanent resident status, he or she could be deemed ineligible for naturalization.In order to determine whether the alien truthfully represented his or her intent to remain with his or her petitioning U.S. employer after receiving the green card, the USCIS uses the standard created by Seihoon v. Levy. That is, USCIS examines the “rapid course of events” following the alien’s receipt of his or her green card. The Department of State has reduced this rule to a 30-60-90 day formula which USCIS generally follows. If an alien ends employment with the petitioning employer within 30 days of receiving his/her green card, then it is highly likely that USCIS will decide that the alien’s intent at the Consulate interview was not, as he/she stated, to remain with the petitioning employer indefinitely. After 60 days have passed, it is less likely (but still risky) that USCIS will determine that the alien lied about his/her intent at the Consulate interview. And after 90 days, it is highly unlikely that USCIS will have a problem with the alien’s change of employment.
Maintaining Residence for Naturalization Purposes

An applicant for naturalization must prove that he has maintained his residence in the United States for a certain statutory period, usually five years prior to the filing of his naturalization application. A person’s residence is where his heart is; and a person is not always physically present at his residence. Therefore a permanent resident may travel abroad, even frequently, and still maintain his residence in the United States. The concept of residence is than a question of where the person intends his home to be.

In determining whether an alien has maintained his residence in the U.S., USCIS looks at the following factors:

* amount of time spent in the U.S.
* the reasons for departures from the U.S.
* whether the termination date for the visit(s) abroad were fixed by some early event or whether they could have continued indefinitely
* whether during the alien’s trip(s) abroad, his place of employment and/or actual home remained in the U.S.
* whether his family remained in the U.S.

USCIS must also analyze the alien’s primary purpose in departing the U.S. to determine whether the alien’s intent in leaving was to abandon his permanent resident status.

(Note: Naturalization is not the only context in which the issue of “abandonment of residence” arises. A permanent resident who has been out of the U.S. for over six months, especially if he has not obtained a Re-entry Permit, may be placed in removal proceedings by a Customs Officer upon applying for admission at a U.S. port of entry).

The intent requirement for maintenance of residence is not heavily dependent on the concept of a “rapid sequence of events” described in Seihoon v. Levy. Rather, the USCIS officer interviewing the naturalization applicant must look at the whole picture presented by the applicant, including the reasons for his departures and the extent of his ties to the United States.
 
Well, when I-485 is pending , by using AC-21 we can change employer . I think after getting I-485 approved changing to different employer shouldn't matter.

i changed within 60 days! For citizenship it shouldn't matter. that's my understanding.. but who know knows how the IO's will interpret.




There is a 30-60-90 rule that applies to this.

Do a web search for "30-60-90 rule"


Less than 30 days is risky.
Less than 60 days is maybe.
More than 90 days should be ok


The case is titled :

United States District Court,
M.D. Louisiana.
Ahmad Reza SEIHOON
v.
Edward H. LEVY, Attorney General of the United States, et al.
Civ. A. No. 75--220.
March 12, 1976.
 
All my friends and colleagues who finished their citizenship didn't have to answer this issue at all during their interview. Some of them were not even working with the GC employer at the time of GC approval. No matter how many times we discuss this issue, nobody can give a definite answer on this point. Just be prepared to answer the question (if IO raises it) with a good explanation. That's the best we can hope for.
 
Well, when I-485 is pending , by using AC-21 we can change employer . I think after getting I-485 approved changing to different employer shouldn't matter.

Strictly speaking that is not the case. It is perfectly OK if you changed
yoru job with same job description while I485 is pending because of AC21 but
AC21 never say anything about changing job after getting the GC.

But my suggestion is: no matter what, you can not undo the past. So
either you do not apply until you are way past 5 years so you
do npt have to disclose your employment information right after GC or
you just go ahead and do not care what will happen.

AT this point of life, you can not do much. the more you think about it,
the more you will feel you are an unworthy person. So stop worrying or
try to stop worrying. If the worst happen, then it happens. There is no guarantee for happiness in life. Even if you get citizernship, you can still
get cancer, stroke, fatal car accidents.

So botttomline: forget about this leaving the sponsor too early issue.
So far there is no single report of anyone getting into real trouble because of this
 
Right...I think we are all saying the same thing....Yes, there is a risk (may not be significant one). Just want to alert to our felow forum member so he/she can be prepared to answer if IO/USCIS asks for that.
 
Well, when I-485 is pending , by using AC-21 we can change employer .
---------That is correct and you should work with employer who gave you job offer letter to invoke AC21 and your I-485 got approved on the base of new employer job offer letter.
I think after getting I-485 approved changing to different employer shouldn't matter.

i changed within 60 days! For citizenship it shouldn't matter. that's my understanding.. but who know knows how the IO's will interpret.
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If your interview is after 5 years from the I-485 approval date or GC date then it is not easy for USCIS to revoke GC.
 
If your interview is after 5 years from the I-485 approval date or GC date then it is not easy for USCIS to revoke GC.

I agree this is no issue. But where does thi smyth com from that claim USCIS
have 5 years to revoke a green card and after that they can not do it anymore? (assuming there is no fraud)
 
I agree this is no issue. But where does thi smyth com from that claim USCIS
have 5 years to revoke a green card and after that they can not do it anymore? (assuming there is no fraud)

To revoke GC after 5 years it can be done through court and USCIS has to prove any fraud Committed by GC holder before the judge.
 
To revoke GC after 5 years it can be done through court and USCIS has to prove any fraud Committed by GC holder before the judge.

My question is stiull not answered - where is the reference to this 5 year rule?

So in case of that poster whose citizenship is denied due to a false claim of employment on her tourist visa 10 years ago, USCIS need to go to court
if tehy want her GC revoked?

and also in case of Maslouj, we know his citizenship was approved even if
he voted befroe he got the green card. There were a lot fo discussion
about his case before he was approved. He got his GC by dislcosing his unlawful voting during teh GC inet4rview so there was no fraud at all.
Many people felt he could be deported before he came back with good
news. He voted before he got the GC so USCIS could not revoke his card?
Is that actual the reason he was OK?
 
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My question is stiull not answered - where is the reference to this 5 year rule?
------------------------It has nothing to do with your answer/question I just posted that USCIS can revoke GC and if USCIS wants to revoke GC after 5 years then they have to do it through court.

Chapter 26 Rescission of Adjustment to Lawful Permanent Resident Status.
26.1 Adjudication Issues.
26.2 Adjudication Procedures.
"Rescission is a cumbersome process once required as a prelude to
initiating proceedings against certain lawful permanent residents."
"(a) General. A person who has adjusted status to that of an alien
lawfully admitted for permanent residence under sections 210, 240A,
(the former) 244, 245, 245A or 249 of the Act, or under any other
provision of law may be placed into rescission proceedings at any time
during the first five years after the granting of permanent residence,
if:
? USCIS determines that the alien was not eligible for adjustment of
status at the time that permanent residence was granted; and
? The alien would have not been eligible for adjustment under any
other provision of law.
In order to rescind an alien?s adjustment, he or she must be served
with a Notice of Intent to Rescind within five years of the date of
his or her adjustment."



http://www.stthomas.edu/ipc/legal/ImmigLaw/AFM Feb07/26.2 adjudication procedures.pdf
 
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Chapter 26 Rescission of Adjustment to Lawful Permanent Resident Status.

OK. It is not easy for teh USCIS to revoke one's GC after 5 years.
But is it easy for them tp deny your citizenship based upon this?
They don't need to go thru court to deny your citizenship.
They can say your changing job so quickly is a sign of not having good moral character
 
OK. It is not easy for teh USCIS to revoke one's GC after 5 years.
--------------correct
But is it easy for them tp deny your citizenship based upon this?

They don't need to go thru court to deny your citizenship.
--------------- correct, But if the officer deny the citizenship officer is supposed to write the reason/law why citizenship is denied. If you or your lawyer feels that officer applied wrong law then you can go to court.

They can say your changing job so quickly is a sign of not having good moral character
----------------- I have not read GC being revoked because of the reason you posted. I read one case 2-3 months back and person applied for US citizenship and at the time of Interview officer asked him if he worked with original employer who filed his GC after getting GC. The person was honest and replied that he did not work with original employer after getting GC. Officer asked the reason and he replied that employer told him that original employer will pay him 90K after GC and he was getting 120K K he moved second day to client as permanent employee to get more salary. Officer approved his citizenship.
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