Why does only India get so much Retrogression?

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petervisa2006

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I worked for a giant financial firm and I dig out an interesting fact. Every IT India developer (either full-time or contractors) got more than one Green Card applications. The following method is very commonly used by all India H1 holders as far as I know.

First, they all keep their previously employers' green card applications, a lot of cases' Priority Date can be traced back to the year 2001.

Secondly, they have multiple green card cases that are pending.

These facts can partially explain why the India EB3 got stuck at 2001 and EB2 got stuck at 2003. Reasons are: multiple GC applications for every India H1 holder; a lot of them got 2001 (EB3) and 2003-2004 (EB2) as their Priority Date; a lot of them are considering carrying their PD dates over newly applied PERM LC cases.

Lessons that we learned: India people are very smart and they always know how to find multiple ways to overcome difficulties; India people are good at team work and now they are good at green card processes in terms of sharing info and approach same procedures.
 
So, some predictions

INS and Congress know what happened to India EB2 and EB3, they will not let EB3 easily pass through. EB2 got the similar problems, INS is shocked to see many many cases, even EB2 cases that it receives from India category. They know they got a lot of duplicate or multiple cases, especially coming from consulting firms (shell companies). This is why, even EB3 world becomes current in the future (in the middle of 2007), India EB3 will not move in a fast speed at all. If your EB3's PD is after 2003, then forget it and just think your case is a dream, that is it.If your EB3's PD is before 2003, you still got hope. If your EB2's PD is after 2004, then less hope in a short future.
 
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only India Eb1s are considered as true outstanding talents. Half of India EB2s (those who got America/India advanced degrees) are good. I do not see any bright future towards the road of the rest of half EB2s and all EB3s. Bear with me if I am wrong.
 
To smart for their own good ...

petervisa2006 said:
I worked for a giant financial firm and I dig out an interesting fact. Every IT India developer (either full-time or contractors) got more than one Green Card applications. The following method is very commonly used by all India H1 holders as far as I know.

First, they all keep their previously employers' green card applications, a lot of cases' Priority Date can be traced back to the year 2001.

Secondly, they have multiple green card cases that are pending.

These facts can partially explain why the India EB3 got stuck at 2001 and EB2 got stuck at 2003. Reasons are: multiple GC applications for every India H1 holder; a lot of them got 2001 (EB3) and 2003-2004 (EB2) as their Priority Date; a lot of them are considering carrying their PD dates over newly applied PERM LC cases.

Lessons that we learned: India people are very smart and they always know how to find multiple ways to overcome difficulties; India people are good at team work and now they are good at green card processes in terms of sharing info and approach same procedures.
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petervisa2006,

It is always good to find multiple ways to overcome difficulties but these "multiple ways" are now causing even more difficulties. Sometimes Indians (I am an Indian) try to be to smart for their own good. This is a classic example.

regards,

saras
 
saras76 said:
petervisa2006,

It is always good to find multiple ways to overcome difficulties but these "multiple ways" are now causing even more difficulties. Sometimes Indians (I am an Indian) try to be to smart for their own good. This is a classic example.

regards,

saras
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Actively looking for all possible solutions shall not be discouraged
 
At what cost ...

petervisa2006 said:
Actively looking for all possible solutions shall not be discouraged
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I am not discouraging anything. I am just stating that in this particular case a lot of people who thought that they were being smart by starting 2-3 different applications may have actually shot themselves in the foot because they artifically inflated the actual number of applicants leading to inflated retrogression in their category. Now they can wait for years for their PD to become current. The 4-5 applications will not make their PD current.

Everyone is free to do what they wish but senselessly taking up every possible avenue/resource does not necessarily guarantee success. In a lot of cases it leads to a waste of time and enegry that could have been utilized towards other things. This is just my opinion. I do not care either way if people apply ten different applications or don't apply at all. Sometimes it pays to see the big picture because in the end we are part of that big picture and everything does not revolve around our own personal gain .. that is my personal feeling. Nothing against anyone ...

regards,

saras
 
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It is the INS system/procedures that block people

saras76 said:
I am not discouraging anything. I am just stating that in this particular case a lot of people who thought that they were being smart by starting 2-3 different applications may have actually shot themselves in the foot because they artifically inflated the actual number of applicants leading to inflated retrogression in their category. Now they can wait for years for their PD to become current. The 4-5 applications will not make their PD current.

Everyone is free to do what they wish but senselessly taking up every possible avenue/resource does not necessarily guarantee success. In a lot of cases it leads to a waste of time and enegry that could have been utilized towards other things. This is just my opinion. I do not care either way if people apply ten different applications or don't apply at all. Sometimes it pays to see the big picture because in the end we are part of that big picture and everything does not revolve around our own personal gain .. that is my personal feeling. Nothing against anyone ...

regards,

saras
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It is the INS system/procedures that block people. People shall have right/freedom to do whatever for their best. So, if someone needs a long vision, it must be INS.
 
I agree it could be possible many Indians might have more than one green card pending,

but, if this is true, I wonder what crappy system USCIS has, can't they just sort their pending I485 database and atleast try to eliminate duplicates

If they want they are certainly capable sorting this info.

Indian retrogression is directly related to large numbers Indian IT professionals present in this Country. They just want to have some control on inflow
 
The system is the ultimate culprit ..

guldukan said:
I agree it could be possible many Indians might have more than one green card pending,

but, if this is true, I wonder what crappy system USCIS has, can't they just sort their pending I485 database and atleast try to eliminate duplicates

If they want they are certainly capable sorting this info.

Indian retrogression is directly related to large numbers Indian IT professionals present in this Country. They just want to have some control on inflow
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guldukan,

If the DOS and USCIS had good procedures or databases in place this problem would not be so grave. The DOS looks at raw numbers, if the BECs report that 200,000 cases are pending they take that number and make all decision based on that. They do not have any way to find out the country break-down, the duplicates and the ones that have already abandoned the regular labor for PERM. If all this is taken into account, I guarantee that the true number of labor backlogs will be reduced by half if not more.

I agree that ultimately its the DOS/USCIS that are to blame for all this but we are part of this system now and know how they operate so I think we need to consider each step carefully before jumping into all sorts of options. These choices will impact us in ways we never thought about.

regards,

saras
 
guldukan said:
I agree it could be possible many Indians might have more than one green card pending,

but, if this is true, I wonder what crappy system USCIS has, can't they just sort their pending I485 database and atleast try to eliminate duplicates

If they want they are certainly capable sorting this info.

Indian retrogression is directly related to large numbers Indian IT professionals present in this Country. They just want to have some control on inflow
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To be more specifically, EB1s and partial Eb2s are welcome. But we got too many India Eb2s and Eb3 cases to be digested by immigration channel which is already in the RED traffic line...
 
saras.....even i think that every individual has the right to do what is best for him.........and if that screws the whole system......too bad....its the system fault...

if one starts 2-3 GC applications....we are just trying to create backups.....since this whole thing is so insecure......and in the process if numbers are getting inflated.......and we end up shooting ourself in the foot....too bad...cant help it....part of the "survival of the fittest" package.....atleast the person with 2-3 application is safe from having to go back to home country in case something goes wrong with one particular employer....

same is true for EB3 filing under EB2.........or duplicate labors in PERM........this is just the best we can do for ourselves.....
 
you could be right.
cis may think some of these (partial EB2 and EB3 from India) do not deserve GCs. so make them suffer until they quit; majority will do so (this is what the CIS probably thinks).
but CIS does not seem to welcome India EB1s either; evident from the backlog in this category.
petervisa2006 said:
To be more specifically, EB1s and partial Eb2s are welcome. But we got too many India Eb2s and Eb3 cases to be digested by immigration channel which is already in the RED traffic line...
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tusharvk said:
you could be right.
cis may think some of these (partial EB2 and EB3 from India) do not deserve GCs. so make them suffer until they quit; majority will do so (this is what the CIS probably thinks).
but CIS does not seem to welcome India EB1s either; evident from the backlog in this category.
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from what i have seen.......there is no "welcome" or "unwelcome"......its just a simple case of demand and supply..........too many indians......too less visa due to per country limit...
 
petervisa2006 said:
India people are very smart and they always know how to find multiple ways to overcome difficulties
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I disagree!!

We are spineless cowards who bear attack after attack, historically from the north and now from terrorists and still do nothing.
 
We can agree to disagree ..

techy2468 said:
saras.....even i think that every individual has the right to do what is best for him.........and if that screws the whole system......too bad....its the system fault...

if one starts 2-3 GC applications....we are just trying to create backups.....since this whole thing is so insecure......and in the process if numbers are getting inflated.......and we end up shooting ourself in the foot....too bad...cant help it....part of the "survival of the fittest" package.....atleast the person with 2-3 application is safe from having to go back to home country in case something goes wrong with one particular employer....

same is true for EB3 filing under EB2.........or duplicate labors in PERM........this is just the best we can do for ourselves.....
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techy,

I am the first to promote the idea that people are free to do what they want but I do not have to agree with what they are doing, especially if what they are doing or have done is causing delays in my process. I am sure the answer to this will be that I can apply for 10 applications as well but that doen't solve any problems. In this particular case people who tried to take advantage of every avenue harmed themselves and other people as well. Thats is my point. Ultimately though, its their choice. People can jump of a brigde for all I care .... just don't grab me on the way down .. :)

regards,

saras
 
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Broken system

This argument is a function of a broken system. Obviously this is a free country and anyone is free to do anything within the law.

If the US had a points based immigration system, then all this talk would be unnecessary. Simply put, if they needed you they would take you and if they did not then adios amigo. Good for them and frankly good for us, since you get a decision and move on with your life!

Sadly there are ways in the current immigration system for unneeded folks to get green cards and as such everyone waits in the same damn queue.

I notice someone earlier in this thread broke down EB2 into 2 categories, I am not aware of the INS looking at this and saying lets give a certain group of Eb2 priority over the rest. So whatever Eb2 you are you are in the same queue.

I suppose that the only exception made in this regard is for EB3 where schedule A workers(nurses and PTs) were given extra numbers. One can only assume from this that they do not feel any EB2s are currently in that big a demand.
I suspect in time the pressure will build around this point and something will pass for the Eb2 also............whether it be the SKIL bill or something else.

In my humble view however a clearly defined points based system woud be far better at cleaning up the system of applications they consider "unwanted" if indeed that is so.

Just my thoughts.
 
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