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What do I need to do?
- Thread starter amrk47
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I have no idea how people here keep track of their life - stuns me every time.
That is why I always urge my friends who are PRs but not interested in citizenship to get citizenship for their noncitizen children's sake or encourgae
their at least 18 years old chidlren to apply for citizenshiop on their own.
noncizitn Children growing up here may not have much sense of immigration issue, thinkingtehy are just Americans which they are actually not. They are highly prone to trouble regarding their immigration status.
Jackolantern
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You can use the expired passport to apply for a new one.
Once you get the passport, I would suggest applying for the N-600 certificate of citizenship, so you can have a non-expiring document that proves your citizenship. Or at least get the passport card as a backup. Because if you lose your passport and don't have the certificate or passport card as a backup, you're going to end up having to go back to your parents' naturalization documents to prove your citizenship all over again.
Once you get the passport, I would suggest applying for the N-600 certificate of citizenship, so you can have a non-expiring document that proves your citizenship. Or at least get the passport card as a backup. Because if you lose your passport and don't have the certificate or passport card as a backup, you're going to end up having to go back to your parents' naturalization documents to prove your citizenship all over again.
Jackolantern
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And there are other cases where the parents became citizens, but didn't apply for a passport or N-600 for their children, nor let the children know that they (the children) automatically became citizens. So the children think they are not citizens when they actually are.noncizitn Children growing up here may not have much sense of immigration issue, thinkingtehy are just Americans which they are actually not.
So the child grows up unaware of having US citizenship, then the grown-up child has a tough time years later when applying for citizenship via N-400 ... USCIS says they are already a citizen so they won't approve the N-400, but they also won't approve an N-600 or passport unless they submit proof of their parent's naturalization and the parental relationship, and those documents may be difficult or impossible to obtain once the parents are very old or have passed away.
And there are other cases where the parents became citizens, but didn't apply for a passport or N-600 for their children, nor let the children know that they (the children) automatically became citizens. So the children think they are not citizens when they actually are.
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I found many parents are somewhat upset If they are advised on this issue. They simply think their chidren will grow up neither to be criminal nor to be
stupid so why should one have such concern?
I found many parents are somewhat upset If they are advised on this issue. They simply think their chidren will grow up neither to be criminal nor to be
stupid so why should one have such concern?
Parents always tend to think that their children are saints. Regardless of whether or not this is the case, there's no way of knowing what may happen in the future. Case and point: a few years ago, two guys went to a club here in NYC. They met two girls, who subsequently performed oral sex on them in the club's bathroom. When the guys were exiting the club, there were police officers waiting outside. The girls called the cops and told them that they were raped inside the club. The guys were arrested and charged with sexual assault. A couple of days later, the girls come clean and confess that they made the story up because they thought it would be funny. The cops, however, refused to drop charges until the investigation was complete. As a result, two completely innocent individuals have arrest AND jail records.
Jackolantern
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What does criminality have to do with it? I'm just pointing out how some people with derived citizenship run into trouble or go through unnecessary expense (e.g. renewing green card, applying for reentry permit, sponsoring a spouse in the wrong category, etc.) because their parents didn't apply for any document that would prove the children's citizenship and didn't tell them about derivative citizenship.I found many parents are somewhat upset If they are advised on this issue. They simply think their chidren will grow up neither to be criminal nor to be
stupid so why should one have such concern?
But on the subject of criminals (and non-criminals treated as criminals), I have read of cases where people found themselves in deportation proceedings and it is only when the lawyer did the research that the person and the US government discovered that they had already derived citizenship years ago. I'm sure there must have been others where citizens got deported because they were completely unaware of having derived citizenship, or were unable to obtain the decades-old documents to prove it.
What does criminality have to do with it?
Non-citizen children can make some mistake and commit deportable offense
even if some are minor in eye of criminal court. Even Clinton and Bush
had controlled substance offenses. They can also register to vote without
realizing tehy have no right to do so. They grew up here and just think they are Americans.
because their parents didn't apply for any document that would prove the children's citizenship and didn't tell them about derivative citizenship.
It is not likely because they always need to establish work eligibility
for I-9 purposse Attending school might need that too. So they should know they need to have certificate of citizenship.
Non-citizen children can make some mistake and commit deportable offense
even if some are minor in eye of criminal court. Even Clinton and Bush
had controlled substance offenses. They can also register to vote without
realizing tehy have no right to do so. They grew up here and just think they are Americans.
Ditto. The USCIS forgives one minor marijuana offense. A second one makes an alien deportable.
Even Clinton and Bush
had controlled substance offenses. They can also register to vote without
realizing tehy have no right to do so.
That only applies if either of them was convicted of a felony. A misdemeanor still allows individuals to vote.
That only applies if either of them was convicted of a felony. A misdemeanor still allows individuals to vote.
Sorry. I did not mean to say CLinton and Bush still can register to vote.
I mean those non-citizen children may just go to register to vote without knowing they don't have the right. So it is advisable for their parents
to get get their children citizenship by being natualizaed themselevs
if if they chidren ar ealready 18, advise their chidlren to apply for
citizenship even if parents themselves do not want to becoem
citizens.
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I was referring to cases where the people acquired permanent residence as a child, then their parents naturalized before they turned 18. They grew up thinking they are permanent residents, failing to realize that they have citizenship. I-9 and work and school doesn't cause any trouble for them, because they have a green card.It is not likely because they always need to establish work eligibility for I-9 purposse Attending school might need that too. So they should know they need to have certificate of citizenship.
Then they continue to carry their green card and renew it for decades, until one day they end up in deportation proceedings because of a crime, whether it is a major violent crime, or minor drug possession. Or it was a crime they didn't do but they plea bargained just to get it over with, without realizing the immigration consequences.
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I am currently 21 and have been living in US for 18 years, my parents became us citizens when I was 10, I have a expired american passport, however I do not have proof of citizenship.
What do I need to do?
Apply for a new passport based on your expired one. Also, I'd consider filing N-600 to obtain your own Natz certificate, if fee doesn't look too high, and your parents can provide suporting docs.
Would you mind to share? In your young (and bright) adult life of 21-years old, were you asked to present your birth certificate (assuming proof of citizenship)? and if so, what would you present instead of US birth cert?
I was referring to cases where the people acquired permanent residence as a child, then their parents naturalized before they turned 18. They grew up thinking they are permanent residents,
How did the OP get a US passport in the first place? Did he need
his own certificat eof citizenship to get a passport? Or he only need his parents certificate of natualization plus bhis birth certificate to prove parent-child relationship?
When you renew the expired passport they should send back the old one too. Therefore you still have two documents proving you are a US citizen in case one gets lost.You can use the expired passport to apply for a new one.
Once you get the passport, I would suggest applying for the N-600 certificate of citizenship, so you can have a non-expiring document that proves your citizenship. Or at least get the passport card as a backup. Because if you lose your passport and don't have the certificate or passport card as a backup, you're going to end up having to go back to your parents' naturalization documents to prove your citizenship all over again.
Jackolantern
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His/her parents would have applied for it using their naturalization certificates and the birth certificate to prove the parental relationship. The OP is 21 now, so the now-expired passport would have been issued at 11 or younger and the parents would have handled everything. Now the OP needs to learn how to do it for him/herself.How did the OP get a US passport in the first place? Did he need
his own certificat eof citizenship to get a passport? Or he only need his parents certificate of natualization plus bhis birth certificate to prove parent-child relationship?
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Jackolantern
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True, but an expired passport is not always acceptable. Some DMVs require an unexpired passport if the passport is presented as the proof of citizenship. However, it should be possible to use the old passport to get another passport to replace the lost/stolen one.When you renew the expired passport they should send back the old one too. Therefore you still have two documents proving you are a US citizen in case one gets lost.