Visitor visa proposal must be stopped

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anand72

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Hi People

As members of the immigrant indian community we all bring out parents to the US spending thousands of dollars for their tickets to get them here. This new proposal is trying to make it such that they cannot stay here for more than one month. This is absolutely ridiculous. why do innocent people like us have to pay the price for what some maniac did. The INS as we all know is a completely lost case and is just trying to save face by making some cosmetic changes. We need to stop them from accomplishing this and making this proposal a law. As a member of indian community which is probably the largest community to bring parents for visits here we must all get together and fight this proposal from becoming a law and adversely affecting all our lives. Is there anyway to fight this. Come on people lets get together and voice our opinions write to your congress people write to anyone lets start the lobbying process to stop this from becoming a law and adversely affecting the family lives of thousands of innocent people.
 
Same for all the legal immigrants community

Why would we have to pay the price for some lunatic\'s behavior?

Start from here, we need to figure out how do we fight? One
way I can think of is to write to your local congressman and
explain how much difficulty this would bring to us and how
little benefit this would do.

Anything else?
 
Oppose the proposed 30 days visitor\'s visa regulation.

Guys:

Please protest the 30-day limitation rule by writing to your senator (http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm)and congressman (http://www.house.gov/writerep/). SUBCOMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION can be reached at
http://judiciary.senate.gov/subcommittees/immigration.cfm.

It works and will only help us. Thanks.

A sample is given below:

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I would like to comment on the proposed INS regulation where INS is proposing to restrict tourists and business travelers to 30-day visits, down from the current six months.

I totally disagree with this proposed regulation. INS has always blamed others and instead of fixing their own system, they find out a way to reduce the work. The problem with INS is they are not dedicated, motivated and mentality, where they think they are above the law. INS can not punish millions of innocent, law-abiding, tourists to find a potential suspect. There are millions of H1 visa holders, resident aliens and US citizens, who have parents and siblings overseas. This proposed regulation would make it difficult for overseas relatives to come and see their beloved family members. This regulation flies in the face of family values that the US stands for.

I believe, instead INS should improve their computer system and cross check any visitor with the FBI database. A deeper background check could also be done. Besides INS should make the following exceptions to this regulation:

1. Overseas living blood relatives of the H1 visa holders, permanent US residents and US citizens should be EXCLUDED from this 30-day visit.
2. Aged people (not necessarily blood relatives but at least family members) or family members coming from overseas to help their relatives during pregnancy or other medical treatment should be excluded from this regulation. (They pose absolutely no risk to the security of the USA).
3. Persons for whom the immigrant visa applications are already pending should be excluded from this regulation.
4. In the case of visitor possessing 30-days visa, local judge or lawmaker should have authority (when necessary on a case-by-case basis) to extend the visa limit for another 30-days till it reaches one year. A local relative would sign an affidavit for such an extension of the visa.

Thank you very much.
 
Disagree

To live in US live by US (and INS) regulations, like it or leave it. Everyone across the board is impacted not just Indian community who brings parents for 6 mths. BTW there are less than 2 million Indians in US so take a guess as to how many families this makes and how many parents come and go.

Eventually US/INS is taking measures, maybe hasty to protect and safeguard your, mine and everyone\'s security.

 http://www.immigrationportal.com/WebX?224@@1752ac@.efe04a5/1

Sify,

Points 1 and 3 are biased and suggest partiality.

On point 2 medical treatments in US do not prolong for more than month unless it is a very, very complex situation. Pregnancies can be had in US and post pregnancy can be spent in home country.
 
some changes sugested

I am suggesting some changes
I changed H1 to legal visa holders ( there are L1, and other categories too who will be affected )
point 4 is not valid as there is already a extension process defined by INS.

1. Overseas living blood relatives of the legal visa holders, permanent US residents and US citizens should be EXCLUDED from this 30-day visit.
2. Senior citizens (not necessarily blood relatives but at least family members) or family members coming from overseas to help their relatives during medical treatment (including pregnancy ) should be excluded from this regulation. (They pose absolutely no risk to the security of the USA).
3. Persons for whom the immigrant visa applications are already pending should be excluded from this regulation.
4. In the case of visitor possessing 30-days visa, local judge or lawmaker should have authority (when necessary on a case-by-case basis) to extend the visa limit for another 30-days till it reaches one year. A local relative would sign an affidavit for such an extension of the visa.

Since this is not a bill, I am not sure how it would help us by writing to senators and congressmen. We have to send comments to INS, and thats the only way to get this done. In that case the first part should be changed too. You got to praise the INS first then give negative comments.

Ramkyk
 
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whizkid

my point is you cannot generically apply this law across the board. For various factors. A four month visit is very much acceptable when you are spending $3000 for tickets for your parents. I don\'t want the INS dictating to me how much time I can spend with my family unless they are willing to pay half my ticket money. This is a free country whizkid I think you are forgetting that. I dont want to pay the price for the INS not doing its job correctly. Trying to control the lives of thousands of innnocent people who are just trying to keep in touch with their families is not the answer. The INS must take stronger policing measures when admitting tourists into this country and paying more attention to who they are letting in. Not for how long.
 
INS does not care

> my point is you cannot generically apply this law across the board. For various factors. A four month visit is very much acceptable when you are spending $3000 for tickets for your parents.

If you spend $3 or $30000, it is not INS issue.

> I don\'t want the INS dictating to me how much time I can spend with my family unless they are willing to pay half my ticket money.

INS will say dont call your parents and save your half and will you share it with the INS?

> This is a free country whizkid I think you are forgetting that. I dont want to pay the price for the INS not doing its job correctly.

If you truly think that this is a free country then the least you can do is hear out other people\'s views! It is very subjective to say that INS is doing the job correctly or not. And who decides that a non citizen migrant?

> Trying to control the lives of thousands of innnocent people who are just trying to keep in touch with their families is not the answer.

There are other ways to keep in touch, mail, email, phone, net2phone and maybe even video phone.

> The INS must take stronger policing measures when admitting tourists into this country and paying more attention to who they are letting in. Not for how long.

Let the INS do their job you work around their regulations that is all I can say.
 
ritu18 What is racist about my observations? Care to discuss logically and rationally?

Why are you calling people racist without rhyme or reason?
 
We oppose the 30 days visa.

I can\'t believe just because INS has some crazy people who don\'t pay attention to their work everybody have to be penalized for this.
We spend over $3000 just to spend 30 days with our family. That is so stupid. Instead of passing such crazy bill why not fix the INS itself and the people working there.
We can’t even visit our family for over 2-3 weeks due to vacation time available for us through the company. There must a better solution instead of passing this bill.
If I tell my family they can come here and stay with me for only 30 day. They will definitely wouldn’t prefer to come at all.
They have to spend 2 days coming 2 days going, 6 day of jetlag and adjusting to the timing, Gone you are left with less than 20 days. I think we should be more practical and solve the issue.
 
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whizkid how about you take your ignorant ass off this discussion forum since you cannot contribute anything constructive to this topic. This topic is not to hear your lame contradiction of people\'s posting its about how we can get some petition together to stop this proposal. IF you want to voice your stupid opinions how about you start a separate topic and type whatever shit you want.
 
Just ignore.

Anand:

Whenever one tries to stand up or do soemthing good that is in immigrants\' interests, some opposing and totally insane voices will be heard. Just ignore and keep going.

I guess the more people write to the senators, the better.
 
Is there an effective date for this proposal??

I share everyone\'s opinion that this roposal will increase work for the INS and cause more hardship to innocent and genuine tourists.

Does anyone know if there is an effective date for this proposal - 30 day cap on visitors? Usually there is a 30 day period for a new INS proposal to be implemented.
 
here u go ,check: http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/public.html#top, it is ready to go

http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/public.html#top

IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE
 PROPOSED RULES
  Nonimmigrant classes:
   Admission period for B nonimmigrant aliens, 02-08297 [ID 2176-
01; 24 PGS. Filed 4/9/02 at 1:45pm]
    Publication Date: 4/12/02
 
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there has to be enough momentum from the travel industry and airline companies for the politicians to take any action against this passing. here are some reasons why this proposal seems absolutely senseless.

1. a terrorist once they get in is not going to worry about leaving in 30 days.

2. if you want to stop maniacs coming into this country the borders should be policed more vigilantly.

3. as many newspapers and news websites have reported the INS does not consult the FBI watch list properly before issuing visas to people. Once a person is in the country it does not matter whether its 2 days or 30 days or 6 months or 1 year if the person has malicious intent.

4. the travel industry and the airline industry will be greatly affected. I can see number of tourists from countries like india dropping off instantly affecting carriers like british, delta, united and lufthansa.

5. in one month its impossible for people coming to visit the US for the first time to see the USA. I came here first in 1983 to visit and it took my family 2 months to travel and see everything even then we had to skip going to florida.

6. People with intent to spend time with family and loved ones should not be penalized. In other words this law must be implemented on a strictly case by case basis at the port of entry taking into account things like previous visits to the US sort of like based on a track record.
 
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whizkid

For your kind information I have lived in this country for the past 15 years. And I have been visiting the US since 1980 and so has my family. I think I am as american as apple pie so spare me this fake patriotism you have going on here. you are probably not even american in the first place. Again if you read my message carefuly I am not asking you to stop voicing your opinions. I started this topic to find ways from other people to contribute to finding ways to stop this proposal from going thru. If you dont have anythign constructive in this regard then why dont u do this. Start a separate topic under your name and voice your opinions all you want. Lets keep this topic focused on the issue at hand which is what we can do to stop this proposal from becoming law which at this time it seems likely that it will. Finally the US is very much my country. I spent 17 years of my life in India and almost the same in the US. I doubt you could say that yourself. So stop acting like a moron.
 
Get real anand72

> Mr Anand72 wrote

> For your kind information I have lived in this country for the past 15 years. And I have been visiting the US since 1980 and so has my family. I think I am as american as apple pie so spare me this fake patriotism you have going on here. you are probably not even american in the first place.

Is this why you are acting as if you are Mr. America? Give me a break there are people who are born here and dont talk like this.

> I spent 17 years of my life in India and almost the same in the US. I doubt you could say that yourself. So stop acting like a moron.

Hah moron eh? Now nice to see that a person who started this topic does not even have the patience and courtesy to hear out other contributors.

If you are such a well settled American then this new regulation should not be a cause to get your knickers get all bunched up!
 
Keep it up Mr Anand

Read your earlier post where you say.

> And I have been visiting the US since 1980 and so has my family

And see what you write here.

> I came here first in 1983 to visit and it took my family 2 months to travel and see everything even then we had to skip going to florida.

b Good luck with your petition.
 
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whizkid dude you really are trying hard aren\'t you? Ok its all good whatever floats your boat. I gave some reasons why this proposal does not make any sense. Why don\'t you tell us why it makes so much sense? What is the INS going to achieve by limiting genuine tourists to 30 days of stay in your opinion? Lets hear it.
 
Posting period for comments??

From some of the messages posted here it seems that the INS is already enforcing this rule.

So, what\'s this about the 30 day posting period if they are already putting a 30-day cap.

If they are not (already enforcing a 30 day cap) there will be a mad rush to get into the country by May 7, 2002
 
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