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Vacation to Europe
- Thread starter Tim Zheng
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The best thing to do
So, speaking generally the best course of action for us asylees when applying for a visa is telling the consular people that we do not have a valid passport. Then he will have no choice but to stamp the RTD.
The possibility of the INS questioning our use of passports is small. But the stakes are too high. Most asylees won their asylum cases after expending much energies and they do not want to risk a determination that they are no longer merit protection in the US.
So, speaking generally the best course of action for us asylees when applying for a visa is telling the consular people that we do not have a valid passport. Then he will have no choice but to stamp the RTD.
The possibility of the INS questioning our use of passports is small. But the stakes are too high. Most asylees won their asylum cases after expending much energies and they do not want to risk a determination that they are no longer merit protection in the US.
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I think there was a high profile case over 2 criminals awaiting execution. Their mother was German and Germany considered they citizens because of that. Of course US authority did not know about that until it come up on appeal long after conviction. Germany made a lot of fuss over that and threatened to take US to international court because their citizens rights were violated. Reasoning was that if embassy was notified and it might provide some legal help, etc. Of course the case drew Germany attention because of death penalty issues, but it shows that international rules exists and embassy have to be notify. Criminals in question were not in US on visa, they were born here, but international laws supposed to be applied nevertheless.
I think there was a high profile case over 2 criminals awaiting execution. Their mother was German and Germany considered they citizens because of that. Of course US authority did not know about that until it come up on appeal long after conviction. Germany made a lot of fuss over that and threatened to take US to international court because their citizens rights were violated. Reasoning was that if embassy was notified and it might provide some legal help, etc. Of course the case drew Germany attention because of death penalty issues, but it shows that international rules exists and embassy have to be notify. Criminals in question were not in US on visa, they were born here, but international laws supposed to be applied nevertheless.
Harassment from Home Govt.
Gilbert: Harassment by home government highly unlikely. Every GC has a class of admission such as FB1(family based) EB2(employment based) or maybe LC3(labor certification) . Asylum based could be "AS4". It is highly unlikely that someone other than an INS inspector or someone familiar with US immigration codes would know what that means.
Gilbert: Harassment by home government highly unlikely. Every GC has a class of admission such as FB1(family based) EB2(employment based) or maybe LC3(labor certification) . Asylum based could be "AS4". It is highly unlikely that someone other than an INS inspector or someone familiar with US immigration codes would know what that means.
National Passprt
Tim,
I think that just because you use your national passport to visit third country by itself is not the problem, the INS says that Renewing or applying for one is considered abandoning your asylum status, and when you go for your GC interview actually The INS asks for yopur national passport to STAMP IT,right? as long as your national passport has been valid since you were granted asylum and you have not made contact whatsoever with your country , then I think (my own opinion) there shouldn\'t be a problem
Tim,
I think that just because you use your national passport to visit third country by itself is not the problem, the INS says that Renewing or applying for one is considered abandoning your asylum status, and when you go for your GC interview actually The INS asks for yopur national passport to STAMP IT,right? as long as your national passport has been valid since you were granted asylum and you have not made contact whatsoever with your country , then I think (my own opinion) there shouldn\'t be a problem
Chinese government knows
Two Chinese asylees have separately told me that Chinese border guards apparently know the meaning of the adjustment codes. The codes are readily accessible on the Internet.
Many governments can care less about this. But a few are quite upset that their citizens running wild around the world applying for asylum.
Two Chinese asylees have separately told me that Chinese border guards apparently know the meaning of the adjustment codes. The codes are readily accessible on the Internet.
Many governments can care less about this. But a few are quite upset that their citizens running wild around the world applying for asylum.
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Good information. Thanks.
Germany considers those 2 people their citizens because their mother was German. It didn\'t matter whether they had or used German passports or not. So when I travel to Europe on RTD I\'m still a national of my home country even when I don\'t use my national passport. So what\'s the difference?
Good information. Thanks.
Germany considers those 2 people their citizens because their mother was German. It didn\'t matter whether they had or used German passports or not. So when I travel to Europe on RTD I\'m still a national of my home country even when I don\'t use my national passport. So what\'s the difference?
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http://www.germany-info.org/newcontent/gc/ch/cs_9.html#refugee travel document
Do holders of a blue "refugee travel document" need a visa for Germany?
Holders of a blue refugee travel document issued according to the Geneva Convention do not need a visa for Germany for a stay of up to three months.
However, immigration at the German border might ask for purpose of stay, proof of financial means and return ticket.
http://www.germany-info.org/newcontent/gc/ch/cs_9.html#refugee travel document
Do holders of a blue "refugee travel document" need a visa for Germany?
Holders of a blue refugee travel document issued according to the Geneva Convention do not need a visa for Germany for a stay of up to three months.
However, immigration at the German border might ask for purpose of stay, proof of financial means and return ticket.
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Thanks Noid for providing the piece of information that Germany doesn\'t require a visa for RTD holders to get in. I hope I had known this before. I think it over and this is SOOO good. I can go to Schengen countries with a RTD before I become a U.S. citizen. And of course after I have a U.S. passport it\'ll not be a problem at all.
Does Noid or anybody know whether Germany cares if you\'ll go into other Schengen countries or not? Can you arrive in Frankfurt and show them a return ticket leaving from Rome?
Thanks Noid for providing the piece of information that Germany doesn\'t require a visa for RTD holders to get in. I hope I had known this before. I think it over and this is SOOO good. I can go to Schengen countries with a RTD before I become a U.S. citizen. And of course after I have a U.S. passport it\'ll not be a problem at all.
Does Noid or anybody know whether Germany cares if you\'ll go into other Schengen countries or not? Can you arrive in Frankfurt and show them a return ticket leaving from Rome?
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I will pass the French consulate. I\'m not going back to get visa with my passport. I am still trying to get a Schengen visa from other countries other than France. By their rules I should get Schengen from France according to my planned itinerary. But I will just try some other countries for now. If that doesn\'t work out then I\'ll change my itinerary a little and add Germany as my first stop.
I will pass the French consulate. I\'m not going back to get visa with my passport. I am still trying to get a Schengen visa from other countries other than France. By their rules I should get Schengen from France according to my planned itinerary. But I will just try some other countries for now. If that doesn\'t work out then I\'ll change my itinerary a little and add Germany as my first stop.
German Border Police
Tim: in my case I came in thru Frankfurt and was supposed to leave thru Frankfurt as well but then changed reservation and left from another EU capital. Immigration there when I left was not happy to see RTD without visa but stamped it anyway. Nothing they can do once entry is legal thru Germany. It is safer to tell German border officer that you are staying in Germany. I did not tell German officer that I was just in transit. That\'s the best way to go about it. Returning to Frankfurt is a serious drag if you\'re miles away.
Tim: in my case I came in thru Frankfurt and was supposed to leave thru Frankfurt as well but then changed reservation and left from another EU capital. Immigration there when I left was not happy to see RTD without visa but stamped it anyway. Nothing they can do once entry is legal thru Germany. It is safer to tell German border officer that you are staying in Germany. I did not tell German officer that I was just in transit. That\'s the best way to go about it. Returning to Frankfurt is a serious drag if you\'re miles away.
Check this out
http://www.norway.ie/cgi-bin/wbch3.exe?p=3968. They say passport or official travel document.
http://www.norway.ie/cgi-bin/wbch3.exe?p=3968. They say passport or official travel document.