Using of National Passport

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ayyubov

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I want to put end of a long discussion whether asylees can use national passport or not. Yes they can. Here's a proof:

Just follow the link and find one of the conditions under the Gaining LPR Status as an Asylee which says:

Proof of any absences from the U.S. since you have been granted asylum. For example: photocopies of pages in refugee travel document or passport

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/RefAdjust/index.htm

Don't forget u are not US citizen and still a citizen of your country. INS have no legal right to remove ur passport or prevent you from using it. None of the documents states that Asylees can not use their national passport. But it doen't mean that INS can not check where u went using ur passport or RTD.

Bottom line: They don't care if u have or use your passport. They don't even care if u have RTD. That's our problem because we might not be admissable without valid RTD.
 
I dont get you Ayyubov. Stop giving people bad information like you did before about ppl getting GC's faster when asylum grant through judges.

Getting a RTD means you are a STATELESS individual! You are citizen of your home country but YOU CANNOT OBTAIN PASSPORT BECAUSE YOU HAVE forfeited the protection of your home country..HENCE ASYLUM. You are called Stateless. The 1951 Refugee convention was set up for Stateless individuals like refugees or asylees.

Just because you are reading from an ANCIENT document doesn't MEAN that you can use that as proof when you are up for adjustment. THEY ASK You specifically in the RTD application if you have renewed your passport or have tried to have ties to your home country.

YOU SHOULDN"T use 2 documents to travel ANYTIME. Always use one document..the RTD and not your national passport.

STOP reading about stuff on CIS's website which hasn't been updated since CIS WAS INS.
 
I fully agree with wantmygcnow. I don't know what ayyubov is thinking. He/she said that asylees could use their passport at their will provided they don't travel to their home country. To begin with all passport expire after some period of time. Mine expired two years after I came here. It is now simply a historical paper serving nothing. Asylees can not and must not have their passport renewed. INS understands this, and they provided us a traveling instrument called "Travel Document".

ayyubov, do not let others confused or misguided. ASYLEES CAN NOT AND MUST NOT USE THEIR COUNTRY's PASSPORT.
 
wantmygcnow..and borntwice...
just tell us or give us a link where it says donnt use your NP if you are asylee or refugee.!
i went abroad with my friend who used NP with GC stamped ( asylee)..!and noone even asked him single question .and me with RTD..had to go secondary inspection everytime..! :eek:
when someone says you can use NP..he/she says cuz there is no legal document or instruction prohibiting asylees using NP.if you have one then plz show us..!
 
People, I think you are also confusing "renewing national passport" with using the one that you already have that is still valid.

Yes, USCIS does not approve asylees renewing their national passport. If their passport expires, then they should request a RTD.

But, if you are still in posession of your existing passport that is not expired yet (the same one you had when you got approval on your asylum) - then I honestly do not see why one should not use it when travelling.

My 2 cents.

L.
 
If some of u think that the use of nationsl passport i prohibited then please provide us a link so we will know too. I agree we can not renew our passports and once it's expired it's useless. Please show the proof even if it's ancient :). thanks.
 
All of you..Do you really think that "providing a link" will really serve your cause with the CIS?

Lets say you are interviewed for your GC application and they ask you..WHy did you renew your passport..ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND..Well because "AYYUVOB who is an awesome poster posted this link that said You can use your national passport"...

Point is. There is more black than white in Using your national passport. CIS doesn't like asylee's using national passport...ARe you going to come in an argument with CIS about national passport..WHO IS GOING TO WIN? YOU OR THEM?

Just be careful until you get your G.C....See after the lawsuit..most of the immigration officers are looking to deny cases in my opinion..or make it harder. Working for the government..it works like this..GOVERNMENT IS always right....THEY ALWAYS have to have the last word in everything they say or do..meetings..contracts everything. Because they are the freaking government....

Paramvir, in your example, the GUY already had his G.C stamped so its different for him. Lots of people who dont have G.C shoulndt use national passport.

ALSO how can asylees use national passport? What country accepts the national passport without a valid G.C etc to give you visa?? Mostly asylees are from war-torn nations right? How can you use your national passport UNLEss u were travelling to home country?

Don't play dodgeball with the CIS because the last thing you want to do is GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO DENY YOUR G.C to which you have waited eternally for so many years....
 
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Agree Like wantmygcnow said DON"T PLAY DODGEBALL WITH CIS man Can one use NP? maybe yes There is a lot of guys that traveled with NP and RTD?Yes
But I'm telling you when you enter US at the secondary check nothing of that matters Sometimes the IO is nice and funy but sometimes they keep checking and checking and looking at the RTD and looking at you so I'd rather be in front of that kind of IOs with the RTD.

wantmygcnow said:
All of you..Do you really think that "providing a link" will really serve your cause with the CIS?

Lets say you are interviewed for your GC application and they ask you..WHy did you renew your passport..ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND..Well because "AYYUVOB who is an awesome poster posted this link that said You can use your national passport"...

Point is. There is more black than white in Using your national passport. CIS doesn't like asylee's using national passport...ARe you going to come in an argument with CIS about national passport..WHO IS GOING TO WIN? YOU OR THEM?

Just be careful until you get your G.C....See after the lawsuit..most of the immigration officers are looking to deny cases in my opinion..or make it harder. Working for the government..it works like this..GOVERNMENT IS always right....THEY ALWAYS have to have the last word in everything they say or do..meetings..contracts everything. Because they are the freaking government....

Paramvir, in your example, the GUY already had his G.C stamped so its different for him. Lots of people who dont have G.C shoulndt use national passport.

ALSO how can asylees use national passport? What country accepts the national passport without a valid G.C etc to give you visa?? Mostly asylees are from war-torn nations right? How can you use your national passport UNLEss u were travelling to home country?

Don't play dodgeball with the CIS because the last thing you want to do is GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO DENY YOUR G.C to which you have waited eternally for so many years....
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wantmygcnow said:
All of you..Do you really think that "providing a link" will really serve your cause with the CIS?

Lets say you are interviewed for your GC application and they ask you..WHy did you renew your passport..ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND..Well because "AYYUVOB who is an awesome poster posted this link that said You can use your national passport"...

Point is. There is more black than white in Using your national passport. CIS doesn't like asylee's using national passport...ARe you going to come in an argument with CIS about national passport..WHO IS GOING TO WIN? YOU OR THEM?

Just be careful until you get your G.C....See after the lawsuit..most of the immigration officers are looking to deny cases in my opinion..or make it harder. Working for the government..it works like this..GOVERNMENT IS always right....THEY ALWAYS have to have the last word in everything they say or do..meetings..contracts everything. Because they are the freaking government....

Paramvir, in your example, the GUY already had his G.C stamped so its different for him. Lots of people who dont have G.C shoulndt use national passport.

ALSO how can asylees use national passport? What country accepts the national passport without a valid G.C etc to give you visa?? Mostly asylees are from war-torn nations right? How can you use your national passport UNLEss u were travelling to home country?

Don't play dodgeball with the CIS because the last thing you want to do is GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO DENY YOUR G.C to which you have waited eternally for so many years....
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I don't know if u have trouble with english but I wasn't talking about renewing the NP. Anyway, whatever. Let's close the conversation, it's getting annoying.
 
I showed a renewed NP in my interview, IO ask me why I renewed my NP, so, I told him that my lawyer need to see some kind of valid proof, and I have no other valid proof to show other than to renew my NP. So they do object, if someone renew their NP, but we have to keep one thing in mind, What category of asylee you are, in some categories, you don't want your country to know, where you are, and by renewing your NP, they can track you down. so this is very complicated issue. I had a friend, who was asylee and who died recently, he always travel on his NP with GC, it all depends who you end up with, at the port of entry, but now things are definately different. Those old good days are gone. I have a friend who is a us citizen, and lately they sent him to that room for further questions.
 
shefe said:
so whats the final say can someone actually NP or not??
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If your passport is not expired yet then it's ok to use it but make sure u get RTD before departure. If your passport is already expired or when it will expire do not renew it. This is according to Immigration Officer I spoke on the phone with. By renewing your national passport u don't make crime but INS don't like the idea and they might question your asylum status. So u have to get RTD and use it for Visas and reentry to US.
 
I also really want to end to this never ending issue.

SO, if you all believe that you can not renew your national passport or you can not go back to your home country after you are granted an LPR status THEN it also must apply too after you get your U.S citizenship! because if you all believe what you think then the INS will always LOOK BACK AT your HISTORY!. YOU GET YOUR CITIZENSHIP THROUGH ASYLUM!.
THEN no matter what regardless of status you will never be able to go back to your home country!...because you will still be an asylee!.

DONT FORGET THIS! THE INS MAY AT ANYTIME REVOKE YOUR ASYLEE STATUS AT ANYTIME..EVEN IF YOU HAVE ADJUSTED YOUR STATUS...IF THE INS FINDS THAT THE CONDITION IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY IS IMPROVING.

Also dont forget that your ancestors!... dont forget where you belong........

I understand all your thoughts and opinion but I think we really want to have a firm and credible answer here.
 
us citizenship is in a completely different ball bark. uscis itself cannot take away your american citizenship. they have to ask the us attorney to file legal paper with a federal court to do that. they will have to meet a very high burden of proof.

things change dramatically once you are a citizen. green card holders are still ALIENS.

this is very simplel


DesertRose50 said:
I also really want to end to this never ending issue.

SO, if you all believe that you can not renew your national passport or you can not go back to your home country after you are granted an LPR status THEN it also must apply too after you get your U.S citizenship! because if you all believe what you think then the INS will always LOOK BACK AT your HISTORY!. YOU GET YOUR CITIZENSHIP THROUGH ASYLUM!.
THEN no matter what regardless of status you will never be able to go back to your home country!...because you will still be an asylee!.

DONT FORGET THIS! THE INS MAY AT ANYTIME REVOKE YOUR ASYLEE STATUS AT ANYTIME..EVEN IF YOU HAVE ADJUSTED YOUR STATUS...IF THE INS FINDS THAT THE CONDITION IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY IS IMPROVING.

Also dont forget that your ancestors!... dont forget where you belong........

I understand all your thoughts and opinion but I think we really want to have a firm and credible answer here.
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Thanks for the info.

I want to bring up one issue here.

If you have your RTD and check your it very carefully on the front page. It tells your country/citizenship. It doesnt say "stateless".

So if we are really stateless, I am thinking why INS still puts your country of citizenship on your RTD eventhough they know that you are an asylee/stateless.
 
Maybe you want to argue about NP use with USCIS....they are the ones who dont like it...we, asylees are just trying to "not do anything wrong" before we become citizens..If you are stubborn and want to use your NP..go ahead...but your detailed explanations about putting what country you are from in the RTD or other stuff will go unanswered...

USCIS doesn't work with logic...so if they dont.you should also not think logically and do as what they say!

When you become U.S Citizen you can go ahead and go back to your home country since you are now a u.s protected individual..
 
little_hope said:
What if the person did renew his/her NP?
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It can raise lots of questions from INS side, like why, are u planning to go back and so on. Plus they can question u how did u renew it. Most of the time you can renew passport by going back to home country. Anyway it can create a lot of problems.

Bottom line: DONT RENEW (I think around 10 people already asked about it).

DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW DON'T RENEW
 
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