US Citizenship and 498a

query11 said:
Dowry (Dahej/Hunda) as we all know is paid in cash or kind by the bride's family to the groom' s family alongwith the giving away of the bride (Kanyadanam). The ritual of Kanyadanam is an essential aspect in Hindu marital rites. Kanya = daughter, dana = gift.
The word 'Hunda' appears to be derived from 'Handa' which means a pot. This could be due to the now extinct practice of offerring dowry in a pot.

Now I'm wondering:

1.-Are the Indian fathers so nice that they give you their daughter and some money in top of that? :confused: :D

or

2.-Are the Indian girls so bad that their fathers are willing to pay to see them out of their houses :p :D


Judging by the OP post it looks like it's #2 :p
...............

Just kidding.
Thank you for the info, every day we learn something new.
:)
 
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Well, at the rate at which they are aborting female fetuses in India, in a decade or so, there will be not enough females, for males to marry, let alone wait for 'cash n wife'. India and China have a very imbalanced male to female ratio.

Education of females and financial independence is the key to end this practice (if it exists still).

Suzy977 said:
Now I'm wondering:

1.-Are the Indian fathers so nice that they give you their daughter and some money in top of that? :confused: :D

or

2.-Are the Indian girls so bad that their fathers are willing to pay to see them out of their houses :p :D


Judging by the OP post it looks like it's #2 :p
...............

Just kidding.
Thank you for the info, every day we learn something new.
:)
 
thats right,thats the main reason we sex starved indian guys come to america...
btw i am requesting u again to stop watching
PBS/BBC/PTV/ALjazeera ;) .
trust me it is for ur good,Kennedy aint president anymore and arabs dont talk good of indians....
brb2 said:
Well, at the rate at which they are aborting female fetuses in India, in a decade or so, there will be not enough females, for males to marry, let alone wait for 'cash n wife'. India and China have a very imbalanced male to female ratio.

Education of females and financial independence is the key to end this practice (if it exists still).
 
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brb2 said:
Well, at the rate at which they are aborting female fetuses in India, in a decade or so, there will be not enough females, for males to marry, let alone wait for 'cash n wife'. India and China have a very imbalanced male to female ratio.

Education of females and financial independence is the key to end this practice (if it exists still).


Speaking about every day we learn something new, should I understand that India has the some demographic policy like China? (or similar?)
 
demographic policy?
china is hughe...india is not s big as china but our poppulation and our economy is supposed to beat the chinese in the next decade...
thats gonna be sweet revenge for indians who have been attacked by allmost all the bordering countries...pak/china/bangladesh
 
brb2 said:
India and China have a very imbalanced male to female ratio.

That explains why this Casanova (querry11) came over here to break the hearts of the poor American girls :p :D :D
 
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query11 said:
demographic policy?
china is hughe...india is not s big as china but our poppulation and our economy is supposed to beat the chinese in the next decade...
thats gonna be sweet revenge for indians who have been attacked by allmost all the bordering countries...pak/china/bangladesh

brb mentioned the abortion of the girl babies...this is why I was asking about a similar "demographic policy"...of course it was a question, not a statement...

Speaking about population...India is huge too: over 1.3 billion souls...that's something.
 
alrite ppl i am gonna call it a nite...need to go get dinner...
what a nite ,i almost revealed my identity,including A-number and address to all the members in this forum...
i guess n400 application a.k.a naturalizer123 missed the oppurtunity.

earlier when i was creating tht thread for newbies...i accidentally uploaded my ar11 application which was filled and had all my info!!!!
anyways i am gonna reveal my true name on june 21st with some really interesting facts for foreverafter!... ;)
Joe f is gonna bang his head when i reveal my true identity...i am a very good confidential of his...atleast my other id....
sorry joe :D
 
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query11 said:
Joe f is gonna bang his head when i reveal my true identity...i am a very good confidential of his...atleast my other id....
sorry joe :D

Christian Lady, is that you :D :D :D


Tomorrow morning two people are going to hate me: Querry and Psycho too...but what the heck, it was worth a laugh
;) :D
 
hell no,not christian lady....
i used to be joe's trust worthy friend in ron's portal and this was before the feud started...anyways he is a helpful guy..bad temper...
 
query11 said:
hell no,not christian lady....
i used to be joe's trust worthy friend in ron's portal and this was before the feud started...anyways he is a helpful guy..bad temper...

And mean bad character...
 
Query11, My intention in the previous post was not to offend you. There is nothing to feel ashamed for. You can't take responsibility for the way any one Indian, or group of people from the 1 billion plus people behave. That view, will allow you to discuss this issue more maturely. In most of the middle eastern countries intellectuals are shut out from discussing some of the practices like the treatment of women because people tak offence when it is discussed and the discussion is shut out. I am sure that is not the case in India which has a free press and is the largest democracy in the world.

Here is the some of the statistics (and I am sure like any other intelligent Indian you too would wish this to end, but unfortunately it exists). One can argue about the exact numbers, but the fact that the sex ratio in China and India is skewed is definitely a fact. In Punjab region I understand the dowry is reverse mode and there is a shortage of women and only well to do men can hope to get married. The below text is from wikpedia and IMA has challanged the size of the abortion numbers but no one argues it does not exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-selective_abortion


", ...medical journal, reported in early 2006 that there may have been close to 10 million female fetuses aborted in India over the past 20 years. This is extrapolated partly on the basis of reduction of female-to-male sex ratio from 945 per 1000 in 1991 to 927 per 1000 in 2001. The female-to-male sex ratio is even lower in cases where a couple has had a previous daughter, but no sons, dropping to 759 to 1000 for the second child if the first was a daughter, and 719 to 1000 for a third child if the first two were both daughters. This article has been challenged by the Indian Medical Association (IMA), which said that it was misleading and failed to take into account restrictions imposed by the courts in 2001. However, some say that the laws have not been effectively upheld, and successful prosecutions remain non-existent. [1] Perhaps contrary to popular expectations, the study also reported that sex selective abortion is more common among the wealthy and among educated women than among the poor and the uneducated. Part of this may be due to their being able to afford the associated expense. In addition, it is what would be expected by evolutionary theory, as a poor male is much less likely to reproduce than a poor female, while the reverse is true for wealthier people, as they have a high probability of attracting multiple females. [2]"

query11 said:
thats right,thats the main reason we sex starved indian guys come to america...
btw i am requesting u again to stop watching
PBS/BBC/PTV/ALjazeera ;) .
trust me it is for ur good,Kennedy aint president anymore and arabs dont talk good of indians....
 
brb,i am extremely sorry for wasting your precious time.I was just fooling around about pbs and stuff.
But to update u dowry in india and problem with female kids are a part of history(there definitely are isolated cases).You are talking about the previous genration.
I have hardly seen these icidents atleast people trying to have only male kids in the past 15 years.
These cases are isolated to some rural parts of central india where local governments are corrupt and poverty prevails in large scale...
Trust me right now women rule in india,whether excelling in education or professionally....
Also lets take your input and implement the supply/chain theory.
You wrote about punjabi sex ratio...right, and u mentioned about guys paying girls to marry them.So dont you think right now all parents would be happy with girl kids as they would bring some extra moolah$$... :D
 
please note the report is from a study over the psat 20 years....i totally agree we had this problem on large scale in ronald reagan era..but right now that is not the scene...
lets face it all these studies which are held over poppulation is nothing but B.S....
do you think there are just 11 million illegal immigrants in america?(i would say just in texas,california,arizona alone there are probably 11 million illegal aliens{not just hispanics} )...
in houston 1 in 5 people u see are illegal immigrants,try to get into laredo,corpus christi,el paso...
forget them hiding...when i went to uscis for my n400 interview the io sent me out to get some pictures...when i walked out and asked the gaurd where to find the place for pictures...he just shouted amigo and there were atleast 4 guys who popped out from nowhere and took me to the place(these are no gc holders or h1b guys or tourists,they make a living of taking care of people's needs right in front of the uscis...This is a slap on uscis and uscis says we are a efficient organization)...sorry to go out of the subject...
do u think indian poppulation is just 1.2 billion..
do u think the indian muslim poppulation(2nd largest in the world)is just 130 million?...
:confused:

...medical journal, reported in early 2006 that there may have been close to 10 million female fetuses aborted in India over the past 20 years. This is extrapolated partly on the basis of reduction of female-to-male sex ratio from 945 per 1000 in 1991 to 927 per 1000 in 2001. The female-to-male sex ratio is even lower in cases where a couple has had a previous daughter, but no sons, dropping to 759 to 1000 for the second child if the first was a daughter, and 719 to 1000 for a third child if the first two were both daughters. This article has been challenged by the Indian Medical Association (IMA), which said that it was misleading and failed to take into account restrictions imposed by the courts in 2001. However, some say that the laws have not been effectively upheld, and successful prosecutions remain non-existent. [1] Perhaps contrary to popular expectations, the study also reported that sex selective abortion is more common among the wealthy and among educated women than among the poor and the uneducated. Part of this may be due to their being able to afford the associated expense. In addition, it is what would be expected by evolutionary theory, as a poor male is much less likely to reproduce than a poor female, while the reverse is true for wealthier people, as they have a high probability of attracting multiple females. [2]"
 
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now check this site....
http://www.euthanasia.com/usstat.html
:) and let me know which is higher?
32.5 million for approximately 500 million or 10 million over the past 20 years for a 1.2 billion....
now one might argue that 10 million were female feticide,i totally agree with you and so the rest has to be males? :eek: dont you think just associating with every abortion india towards female feticide is not just...

and i am not ashamed of anything.i love my country's heritage.i am proud of my heritage,even though i am not a religios person and i do not consider myself knowledgable to argue whether god ever existed...every religious practise in india has been for a reason...
some for good and some for bad...every religion in this world have had something to be proud of and something to forget about....but that doesent make anyone be ashamed of their religion...that is a part of life...

now need to get some lunch before my boss gets all over my @ss... ;)
 
didnt u tell me that her parents had strong political connections???

http://www.uscis.gov/lpbin/lpext.dl...d-14097?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm&2.0
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In some cases, it may matter if an offense was committed outside the United States. You must ask if the offense was committed outside the United States. If it was, you must determine whether it was a purely political offense. If you determine that it was a purely political offense, the conviction and sentence to incarceration cannot be used as one of the convictions to find a person lacks good moral character under section101(f)(3) of the Act as it applies to sections 212(a)(2)(A) and (B) of the Act.

If, during the statutory period, the applicant is or was confined to a penal institution for an aggregate of 180 days pursuant to a conviction or convictions, he or she is precluded from establishing good moral character and is ineligible for naturalization. The application for naturalization must be denied. [See section 101(f)(7) of the Act and 8 CFR 316.10(b)(2)(v).]





krishna498 said:
Friends,
I am a victim of false 498a case filed by my wife in India, my family in India got the bail, me and my brother are in US and have not visited India since 498a. Charge sheet has not been filed yet, it's been more than a year since the FIR was sent to magistate.

Now I am eligible to apply for the US Citizenship, and was wondering what to answer for following questions in "Part 10 -D. Good Moral Character" of US Citizenship form N400 :

15. Have you ever committed a crime or offense for which you were not arrested? Yes/No
17. Have you ever been charged with committing any crime or offense? Yes/No
18. Have you ever been convicted of a crime or offense? Yes/No

Your response is appreciated.

Thanks & Regards,
Krishna
 
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query11 said:
didnt u tell me that her parents had strong political connections???

http://www.uscis.gov/lpbin/lpext.dl...d-14097?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm&2.0
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In some cases, it may matter if an offense was committed outside the United States. You must ask if the offense was committed outside the United States. If it was, you must determine whether it was a purely political offense. If you determine that it was a purely political offense, the conviction and sentence to incarceration cannot be used as one of the convictions to find a person lacks good moral character under section101(f)(3) of the Act as it applies to sections 212(a)(2)(A) and (B) of the Act.

If, during the statutory period, the applicant is or was confined to a penal institution for an aggregate of 180 days pursuant to a conviction or convictions, he or she is precluded from establishing good moral character and is ineligible for naturalization. The application for naturalization must be denied. [See section 101(f)(7) of the Act and 8 CFR 316.10(b)(2)(v).]

That political offense clause it meant for leaders in countries who were prosecuted by the government for political reasons. That is definitely not the case here. Your suggestion is mesleading.
 
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