Urgent Travel Question

[Robinho]

Hi evrd,
I'm new to this forum/ I found this forum accidentally.
I got my asylee status in 2004 but still didn't apply for adjustment of status as of yet. I am currently in COP for 7 months. I came here through Third country by using my NP. When I left US, I used my NP also. I got my RTD 2 weeks after I left US because of the family problem. I can't use my religious freedom here in COP. If I do, I'l be persecuted again. However I want to go back to the US this month by using my NP to Third country and RTD to the US from third country. Do you guys think I'l have problem because of my long travel? Is there anybody here who were in my situation or heard such a situation? Please do not think that I got fake asylum. I was threatened and persecuted in COP but not seriously. However I was not allowed to use my religious freedom here in COP at that time and even now also. My RTD has 4 more months till expiration.
2) I renewed my NP recently here. What is the possibility that they can find out whether I renewed my NP or not if I do not show it to them.
I really appreciate your ideas and feedback.
Thanks a lot,
Rob

 

[Mike N.]

Hi evrd,
I'm new to this forum/ I found this forum accidentally.
I got my asylee status in 2004 but still didn't apply for adjustment of status as of yet. I am currently in COP for 7 months. I came here through Third country by using my NP. When I left US, I used my NP also. I got my RTD 2 weeks after I left US because of the family problem. I can't use my religious freedom here in COP. If I do, I'l be persecuted again. However I want to go back to the US this month by using my NP to Third country and RTD to the US from third country. Do you guys think I'l have problem because of my long travel? Is there anybody here who were in my situation or heard such a situation? Please do not think that I got fake asylum. I was threatened and persecuted in COP but not seriously. However I was not allowed to use my religious freedom here in COP at that time and even now also. My RTD has 4 more months till expiration.
2) I renewed my NP recently here. What is the possibility that they can find out whether I renewed my NP or not if I do not show it to them.
I really appreciate your ideas and feedback.
Thanks a lot,
Rob

You need to have a really good reason for staying in COP for 7 months. 7 months is a bit too long. CIS is usually OK with short trips, but 7 months; I don't know. CIS may question this long of a trip and you may need to get a lawyer to explain this. Renewing the passport should not be a problem, because your COP may not have let you in and out of the country with RTD, unless you are no longer a citizen of that country. Did you apply for an advance parole before you left the US? If you didn't what document are you going to show to authorities in COP to prove that the US will let you in. RTD may not work for them.

 

[annaraka]

I know people who did that; but check this!!! I know refugees who came here, stayed a few months, and then went back to live in newly liberated COP, before applying for adjustment. They saved their I-94s and social security cards. One to four years later, they decided they want to come back. They contacted people they knew here, and obtained RTDs without even being present to sign their applications. The RTDs were mailed to the address of the person they knew, the RTD was then hand delivered to them in the COP and they traveled back (entire families) as if they were just on vacation somewhere a few weeks. I know of several cases like this, major fraud!!!!

 

[samird]

I know people who did that; but check this!!! I know refugees who came here, stayed a few months, and then went back to live in newly liberated COP, before applying for adjustment. They saved their I-94s and social security cards. One to four years later, they decided they want to come back. They contacted people they knew here, and obtained RTDs without even being present to sign their applications. The RTDs were mailed to the address of the person they knew, the RTD was then hand delivered to them in the COP and they traveled back (entire families) as if they were just on vacation somewhere a few weeks. I know of several cases like this, major fraud!!!!

True. I know many Bosnians that did that.

 

[Morning]

annaraka
samird
Sounds all too familiar. I know more than a couple dozen people, who arived in the USA with a refugee status and they keep going back to their COP's for vacations almost every year. It raises a question in my mind: Have they really been persecuted? Yet, it appears that CIS doesn't care, since they are still around, apply and get citizenship without any complications - much sooner than most of us on this board.

 

[wantmygcnow]

annaraka
samird
Sounds all too familiar. I know more than a couple dozen people, who arived in the USA with a refugee status and they keep going back to their COP's for vacations almost every year. It raises a question in my mind: Have they really been persecuted? Yet, it appears that CIS doesn't care, since they are still around, apply and get citizenship without any complications - much sooner than most of us on this board.

Well I think refugee status is more like a privilege since U.S brings you from your COP with a valid visa..however asylees have to prove everything. In my opinion a refugee should be able to go back as it wont be considered fraud.

The fraud comes in when you lie to obtain asylum in U.S by claiming what is not true. The requirements for getting a Refugee status and asylee status are completely different..and maybe refugees on this board can tell us how they obtained refugee status.

I know of a family friend, a woman who is in Canada and is a refugee but she is allowed to travel back to home country. Her refugee status was given to her due to the problems in her home country and no living/food for her kids rather than political asylum.

Maybe I am wrong but someone can correct me. A refugee is not entirely a politically perseucted person but it can be anything including economic reasons.?

Like you hear stories about Sudanese refugees and most are brought here because of living conditions in sudan is horrible....

 

[Morning]

wantmygcnow
Asylees and refugees meet the same legal standard. An asylee is a person who fled his or her country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on the basis of race, religion , nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group. This definition, which also aplies to refugees, is based on the 1951 United Nations Convention on the Status of Refugees. The only difference between asylees and refugees is where they apply for and receive their status. Therefore, vacationing in the COP constitiutes fraud and raises a number of questions about validity of persecution claims.

 

[14ksusha]

Well I think refugee status is more like a privilege since U.S brings you from your COP with a valid visa..however asylees have to prove everything. In my opinion a refugee should be able to go back as it wont be considered fraud.

The fraud comes in when you lie to obtain asylum in U.S by claiming what is not true. The requirements for getting a Refugee status and asylee status are completely different..and maybe refugees on this board can tell us how they obtained refugee status.

I know of a family friend, a woman who is in Canada and is a refugee but she is allowed to travel back to home country. Her refugee status was given to her due to the problems in her home country and no living/food for her kids rather than political asylum.

Maybe I am wrong but someone can correct me. A refugee is not entirely a politically perseucted person but it can be anything including economic reasons.?

Like you hear stories about Sudanese refugees and most are brought here because of living conditions in sudan is horrible....

political persecution, in short, means deprivation of human rights, such as a right to work, live, and enjoy social benefits in the country in question. Obviously, this turns into economic hardship. The two are closely intertwined and UN Commission for Refugees takes both into consideration, I believe.

 

[14ksusha]

wantmygcnow
Asylees and refugees meet the same legal standard. An asylee is a person who fled his or her country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on the basis of race, religion , nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group. This definition, which also aplies to refugees, is based on the 1951 United Nations Convention on the Status of Refugees. The only difference between asylees and refugees is where they apply for and receive their status. Therefore, vacationing in the COP constitiutes fraud and raises a number of questions about validity of persecution claims.

I agree. USCIS has been oblivious to this just because they don't want to expose major flaws in the refugees resettlement program.

 

[Robinho]

One more thing

Thanks all of you who mentioned their ideas to my question. I really appreciate your help.
Another thing is that when I left US, I used my NP to go to third country and then to COP. I didn't have my RTD when I left the US. My NP has expired and I renewed it. If I tell the officer at the port of entry that I lived at the third country for the whole 7 months, would it help me? I can find reasons for staying for 7 months over there. what do you all think? My whole family lives in US for 2 years and they are all PRs.
thnx,
Rob

 

[nasrmobin]

QUOTE]

All right.
As a Refugee, I got my status because of the religion problems in my Country.
First of all, they obtain their status through UNHCR, which is pretty powerful so the CIS wont deal with those people (I don’t know if the asylees will do the same)
Secondly, Refugee all of them, have signed a paper which indicates that they have had some sort of problems in their country and they SIGNED that they won't go back. Now, if they are going back they are lying to United Nations- Why and US don’t stop them I don’t know.
As a refugee I can claim that some refugees have cheesy cases, but because of the Religion problems or other stuff, which is taking place in #1 case of United Nations, it won't hurt them to go back.
Personally I would deny their cases if I was in that position. My life has been screwed up because of the dumb-ass people who filed fraud with stupid cases and taking advantage of system. I have been married for two years and I have to continue the same step for at least another two years because CIS cannot trust people anymore (I would not trust them either).
That is my Concept, if you even filed BS case, please respect to others, which really have had problems and really need help. As I said before if the rules are really strict and you don’t like them is because someone else has messed-up with regulations and forced CIS to make it harder so some other people can not taking advantages of the regulation anymore.
If you have Valid Documents that show you had some real problem and that cause you to go back to COP please provide them, and explain the reason. Other wise the would think that you lied and they will make it more tough for others.

Regards,

P.s. I don’t point out anyone here no particular group or person, Don’t take it personally.

 

[thankful]

There is another distinction between refugees and asylees. Refugees do not have to prove continued persecution after the grant of refugee status but asylees do. The adjustment of asylees is not as automatic as refugees.

 

[annaraka]

Yes, but I was talking about an entirely different concept; not the persecution prong of the grant of status, but about intent. Obtaining documents in a fraudulent manner (when you leave the country, generally, one is to return their I-94, this was the condition of their return to COP, some of it was arranged through the DOS; they were no longer liable for their flight repayments) and the fact that they abandoned thier residence with full intention of permanent return, but when economically things did not progress as they'd hoped, then they simply returned to US, making the govt. believe they were here the entire time.