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CanTex

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I am amazed at some of the very personal and specific details of cases that people are posting here lately.

I hope for their sake that the USCIS does not frequent this forum and make the connections to these individuals.

My own naturalization case was as straightforward as it can get, with no complications in my immigration history. If this was not the case and I encountered some of the problems that some people are reporting here, I'd be very careful with sharing much about these in such a public forum.

Just my thoughts -- flame away if you want, but sometimes discretion is the better option.
 
Hi all -

I agree with what CanTex said. I think if people are having specific cases in that nature, it'd be nice to get help from a decent immigraton attorney. You never know whether a CIS guy will come here to hunt these folks down like an immigration raid (but online) - it is about the privacy and it is for ones own good.

Wish you all good luck on your journeys to become Americans.

-fchan100-
 
fchan100 said:
Hi all -

I agree with what CanTex said. I think if people are having specific cases in that nature, it'd be nice to get help from a decent immigraton attorney. You never know whether a CIS guy will come here to hunt these folks down like an immigration raid (but online) - it is about the privacy and it is for ones own good.

Wish you all good luck on your journeys to become Americans.

-fchan100-
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There is no law that says you cannot share your personal case details with others if you want to. And I dont think INS can do anything about it. Actually to beat the INS everybody has to share information which is probably why they prefer if people didnt share information with each other. However they cant do anything about it. Its perfectly legal. Please dont scare people with such posts.
 
FoxyIdiot said:
There is no law that says you cannot share your personal case details with others if you want to. And I dont think INS can do anything about it. Actually to beat the INS everybody has to share information which is probably why they prefer if people didnt share information with each other. However they cant do anything about it. Its perfectly legal. Please dont scare people with such posts.
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it is completely legal. however, if it just happens the interview officer spotted the person who posts the experience similar as what the officer is currently dealing with, he/she *might* pay extra attention.. etc etc.

of course, there has no law to stop people sharing personal immigration related experience and INS won't offically stop you by doing that anyway. however, if the interview officer takes his/her power to take time reviewing the subject's case, or try to get more info / depth about the case / background, he/she can do that.

anyway..
 
FoxyIdiot -

You are welcome to share whatever you want in this public forum, and I definitely have no control over it. I am just thinking you don't know whether a CIS guy will read this post and ask the Mr. Khanna to subpoena on such a specific case, especially it might involve some criminal charges such as immigration fraud. But you think if I am trying to scare people off, I have to defend that I have no intention to do so. Please don't misunderstand me.

To all others -

I don't mean to say not to share information, just to be more careful on some very specific cases. If my previous posting has brought concerns to you all, I would like to apologize.

-fchan100-
 
JoeF said:
Sure they can. Take for example somebody says that he falsely claimed to be a US citizen. In the course of an investigation, if CIS learns that the person posts here, they could of course subpoena Mr. Khanna to provide login details, etc. for that person. Has happened, although I don't know about it in an immigration context. For example, the RIAA subpoena'd Verizon to hand over connection logs from their DSL business so that the RIAA could find out who was illegally sharing music files.
Bottom line: don't think that you are anonymous on the Net.
Even the so-called anonymous remailers are not necessarily really anonymous. I remember the servers of a remailer in Norway being seized by police.
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Do you work the INS or something because you sure sound like someone who will prevent people from coming to this country if you had the chance. You sound like a bigot and an anti-immigrant. Its people like you who shouldnt be allowed into this country.
 
JoeF said:
Oh, yet another one of these idiots who try to shoot the messenger. Read my posts before posting such utter crap.
Welcome to my killfile.
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Thank you. Its a honor to be in your killfile Sir JoeF. What does the F stand for ... Focker or Frigging Moron?
 
Cool it all

Hi all

I think everyone is correct here. FoxyIdiot is talking in general that there is no law that prevents you to share your personel information. That is correct but if that personal info is kinda illegal then I would be careful to share it with others. While JoeF and others are talking about getting caught with that illegal personal info. That is correct too. They can track you down from your login information. I haven't seen anyone admiting a crime or criminal intent in this forum but this forum is just like you are talking face to face with a bunch of strangers. I wouldn't do that if I had a criminal past.

peace
 
People here are talking about their personal situations with enough detail that it wouldn't be too hard for someone in the USCIS to out whose case it is. Think about it: people have shared the DO, the dates of interviews, and other very specific circumstances about their case. With that alone, they can quickly narrow it down to a specific case and wouldn't need login records from this site to identify who's posting the information. Then the poster has just given them an open book to start digging into...
 
JoeF said:
Sure they can. Take for example somebody says that he falsely claimed to be a US citizen. In the course of an investigation, if CIS learns that the person posts here, they could of course subpoena Mr. Khanna to provide login details, etc. for that person. Has happened, although I don't know about it in an immigration context. For example, the RIAA subpoena'd Verizon to hand over connection logs from their DSL business so that the RIAA could find out who was illegally sharing music files.
Bottom line: don't think that you are anonymous on the Net.
Even the so-called anonymous remailers are not necessarily really anonymous. I remember the servers of a remailer in Norway being seized by police.
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But just posting a message here saying one posed as an US Citizen, constitute evidence enough? I guess CIS would have to have corraborating evidence. In the case of RIAA, they had evidence that law was broken, and they were trying to find out who it was.

P.S. I am not a lawyer and dont pretend to be one.
 
FoxyIdiot
Even though it is perfectly legal for you to post your social security number on this forum...would you do so?
I think CanTex is simply making a point that people are posting too much specific personal information and specific details about their case.

It was not too long ago that they used posts by a kid on neo-nazi web site as evidence (school shooting in Minnesota, don't remember all the details)
If they can do it there...why not here...
 
Guys,

The only thing pertinent here is :
Posting about a crime or misrepresentation a person committed is not and cannot be protected . If someone says they lied on a federal govt application intentionally then that person is liable to pay the price. CIS can use such information against the applicant.

Sharing other information about cases etc is a super idea and thats why this forum is there in the first place.

If Immigration folks are reading this board , I hope they benefit from the sharing of info and do something +ve about it!
 
I think what somebody is trying to say here...

I think that what somebody is trying to say here, is if you are planning to cheat and lie on your N-400, you might have a higher chance of getting away with it if you don't reveal your deception on a public forum.

Did I get it right?

My opinion (which nobody asked for) is that you shouldn't be cheating and lying on your immigration actions in the first place, and if you're not, it doesn't matter what info you release in this public forum.

-Ocelot
 
Ocelot said:
I think that what somebody is trying to say here, is if you are planning to cheat and lie on your N-400, you might have a higher chance of getting away with it if you don't reveal your deception on a public forum.

Did I get it right?

My opinion (which nobody asked for) is that you shouldn't be cheating and lying on your immigration actions in the first place, and if you're not, it doesn't matter what info you release in this public forum.

-Ocelot
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I agree, if you havent done anything unlawful, you can share any info you want on this forum and it should be fine. Otherwise, INS could find out and use it against you.
 
amandapanda said:
This is an interesting topic. So Rahul and Joef are you saying that BCIS are policing and monitoring all immigration forums, and then requesting info from the board moderators to track down people?
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Board moderators dont really know who you are unless you provide them with your actual names. In my case I know board moderators dont know who I am. However, it does not mean FBI cannot find out who I am. They can trace back and find out who I really am. But they will only do that if they think I committed something illegal. Also, I really dont think INS folks are wasting their time monitoring this board.
 
It would be incredibly stupid for USCIS to hang out on forums in anticipation they can score and catch somebody. There are close to 700 000 people becoming naturalized citizens a year. There are probably only same couple of hundred people who are obsessed with their application (99% of them unjustly obsessed and unusually impatient) that hang out on immigration boards. That is a miniscule percentage of the total immigrant population and would be an extremely low yield to try to sift through everything and than try to find the identities of each poster and investigate more. They rather have to enforce the law more effectively, like crossing travel dates they have recorded with each application, crossing IRS records , voting and other info with each N-400, and of course getting detailed FBI/police records. Also, running detailed check for persons who are coming from states where anti americanism is high. That would yield much more than visiting message boards.
 
FoxyIdiot said:
Thank you. Its a honor to be in your killfile Sir JoeF. What does the F stand for ... Focker or Frigging Moron?
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Your response to JoeF has certainly earned MY support for denying you admission. Unfortunately, I don't have that authority but I hope I don't end up living next door to an idiot like you, foxy or otherwise.
 
Paranoid?

Guys - I tend to agree with Handsome1 and ITC.

The USCIS does not have the time/resources to even process all the AR-11 applications we send them - where are they gonna find the staff to visit and sift through all the Internet forums?
Even if they did sift through, would they spend the time/money to track someone down? I doubt it..
 
johnnkamala said:
Your response to JoeF has certainly earned MY support for denying you admission.
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Yes, I'm sure if you had your way you would only allow pure Aryan white skinned people like JoeF into America.
 
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