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Cinta,
Here are my comments on the points you have mentioned in your posting :
point 1) Not true. Nobody is pursuing EB I-485 issue. Our struggle is not about immigration reform. It's about I-485 backlogs. If we are successful in lobbying the congress men as the ISN group has done, our problems will be solved within a few months. I don't understand why it takes a decade for passing a simple bill (introducing an interim GC for all I-485 applicants, to be issued within 6 months of filing). What is needed is the ability to get hold of suitable congress men and WORK WITH THEM CONSTANTLY (SITTING ON THEIR HEAD TILL THEY INTRIODUCE A BILL). We are unable to do it because none of us can spare time for that. It's a full time job.

point2) We are looking for immediate solution. That's why we are trying to approach congress. Nobody else can help us really. We are not just asking for relaxing the job change rules. We are asking for interim GC. If they can't do that, then they should change laws to remove all types of restrictions on AOS applicants.

point3) The current laws (AC21, Infrastructure act etc) do not mandate BCIS to reduce the backlogs immediately. They have given BCIS, a deadline of 2006. So we definitely need new laws which meet our current requirements.

point4) What are we going to do with participation from more people ? Ultimately we should have an agenda. Eventhough every one is interested in contributing to this cause, many people do not find time to join us. We tried our best to mobilise as many people as possible. When we know that you can't do much beyond a point, what are we going to do ? Just posting messages here or sending Emails to press is not enough. Any how, many people are already doing it. The lawsuit story is coming in almost every newspaper now. So what ? Is it going to solve the backlogs ? Bringing awareness is always just the first step and we have already achieved it (courtesy Rajiv's Lawsuit). It's time we have to move on to the next step. It's time for result oriented action.

PS : Please treat this as a debate instead of rebutting your points. We always learn from debates.
 
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dsatish

dsatish,

The issue in the hands of the courts.
The story is NOT in every newspaper, atleast not in the Philadelpia Inquirer, which I read every day. It only appeared in the Mercury news and Ethnic media. No radio or TV, as far as I know. We all have jobs. Time is something one can make. No excuses here.
Awareness will not solve the problem by itself by it will contribute to the popular opinion, necessary for a positive outcome for the lawsuit.
Suggesting solutions at this point and earlier during the petition is RISKY. It is not necessary. We are not negotiating yet! Thre are reports that the USCIS will issue multi-year EAD sometimes. Is this enough?
DHS Act clearly states that the Backlogs should be eliminated within a year from enactment. November 19, 2002. The latest from GAO shows it worsened.

Justice is pursued on existing laws and regulations and the Constitution.
New laws or modifying laws can indeed take time.
AC-21 is a flawed legislation. It is NOT a law YET! ISN maybe good people and friends but the h1-B cap is down to 65,000 from 190,000.
Now, if you have the money and want a lobbyist I know a few.
 
How much it will cost to hire a lobbyist.

There is nothing wrong in what Mr. dsatish is saying.

But, only issue needs to be addressed is the reliability of people involved in it such as who will collect the funds and effectiveness of the lobbyist and procedure of payment.

These concerns must be thought in detail before proceeding with it.

Personally, I agree with Mr. dsatish and also ready for it. But, I would like to have detailed information before I am actually in it.

thanks.
 
Rustam,
We asked Rajiv to collect the money for us. He consulted the Virginia Bar (lawyers) and decided not to do it because of some legal / ethical issues. Now we have to find an alternate solution. I was talking to Vijay sharma (who is an independent accountant for Rajiv) about the possible solutions. He hinted that he can collect the money, but he doesn't want to be in the management. He simply wants to work as OUR accountant. That means we have to collect and hold the money OURSELVES. This is a big problem. We don't know each other and we don't know the legal isssues. I am trying to sort out this issue with Vijay Sharma. We are moving towards incorporating a fund / trust on behalf of a group of members here (core team members and any one else who is willing to participate) and then we can start collecting funds. Once the talks with Vijay Sharma are finalized, i will post the details so that we all can discuss about that. The bottomeline is : Rajiv is not going to be involved in this and Sharma is not going to collect funds on his name. It has to be done in our (members here) name.
 
Third drade discussion

It looks like we got stuck in the money collection. The holidays also. Our jobs also.

We can have a discussion or a third grade discussion. Let us not accuse the adjudicators out of frustration. The problem is much deeper than that. You want to collect money and start lobby right and left. Nothing is wrong with that. It will take a lot of money and time and no guarantees. In the meantime do what was suggested by Rajiv and contact, write and personally campaign. Do it right and carefully as you may do more damage than good in some instances. Do more reading than writing and examine the lawsuit(s) yourself and see what it needs to be done.
 
Cinta, your point is correct. We should lobby for support for our lawsuit. Lobbying congress to pass a bill is not practical. I think dsatish is also saying the same thing. Why would we want to restart the whole process ??
 
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Originally posted by cinta
It looks like we got stuck in the money collection. The holidays also. Our jobs also.

We can have a discussion or a third grade discussion. Let us not accuse the adjudicators out of frustration. The problem is much deeper than that. You want to collect money and start lobby right and left. Nothing is wrong with that. It will take a lot of money and time and no guarantees. In the meantime do what was suggested by Rajiv and contact, write and personally campaign. Do it right and carefully as you may do more damage than good in some instances. Do more reading than writing and examine the lawsuit(s) yourself and see what it needs to be done.
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Cinta,
Did i tell you what to do ? The answer is 'NO' because i am not a fool to tell another active member to do something against his conviction. I not only read what Rajiv suggested in 'Furhter Action' thread, but also talked to Rajiv many times. People in the core team know what i am doing. I have explained to Rajiv about the importance of fund collection and he gave his support to that.
It is better if we complement one another than crossing each other's path .
 
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Originally posted by dsatish
Cinta,
Did i tell you what to do ? The answer is 'NO' because i am not a fool to tell another active member to do something against his conviction. I not only read what Rajiv suggested in 'Furhter Action' thread, but also talked to Rajiv many times. People in the core team know what i am doing. I have explained to Rajiv about the importance of fund collection and he gave his support to that.
It is better if we complement one another than crossing each other's path .
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dsatish,

You can post constuctive criticism if you wish. This is within the forum rules and that is as far as you can go. Bear in mind one thing: This forum is a public forum mentioned in the Petition and the lawsuit and as such it will be monitored by myself and others. When you post inaccuracies you will be corrected. A sample of what you posted already about the backlogs, adjudicators, the existing laws, lobbies, media follows:

1) The Adjudicators do not like us (envious of us) because our salaries are way above theirs and they feel that these
foreighners are coming to this country and getting fat salaries
2) Republican government does not like us because we are typically viewed as future democratic vote bank. Ideally they
would not like us becoming Citizens.

Congress should pass a new immigration reforms law, freeing us
from employment bondage(and all other restrictions) till we get GC. Then we don't care if they need 10 years to give us GC.

The lawsuit story is coming in almost every newspaper now. So what ? Is it going to solve the backlogs ? Bringing awareness is always just the first step and we have already achieved it (courtesy Rajiv's Lawsuit). It's time we have to move on to the next step. It's time for result oriented action.

The fact is, we are trying to reach out to ethnic media only. This is the view shared by majority people, although some people feel that we should goto mainstream media also. We can goto mainstream media if this problem belongs to the mainstream.
But it's not the case. If we goto mainstream media with our story, we are very much likely to face some strong replies (letters to the editors etc) from people who lost their jobs or those wh are feeling insecure about their jobs. These people definitely do not like employment based GC applicants. We are likely to be viewed as a competition to them. Just imagine how many greencard holding indians will support our cause wholeheartedly and work for us ? I would say < 5%. We are still going to ethnic media because we hope that the community leaders (indian american politicians) will read it and try to help us. It is just a hope.

I suggest that you take a second look before you post. It will do us all more good than harm. Your views and justifications and opinions about the media and possible lawsuit have been wrong for a long time. I would care less if you are a member of a core team or any team. The real team is everybody in this forum. Unless your case is not a fraud then you should be able to talk/write to any media at any time and justify the lawsuit to anybody. Are you?
 
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Cinta,
This is a free discussion forum and i don't think i should restrict myself from making any comments on adjudicators or Republicans or BCIS. We are victims of BCIS , it's officers(do you want me list all the blunders and stupid acts they are doing ?) and this present government. That is the basis of my comments. Previously, you also have made severe comments on BCIS or this governments. Why do you think we should be afraid of somebody reading our posts. My dislike for going to the mainstream media is not because of fear of reprisal from BCIS, but i feel that it (our action) draws some strong reaction from right wing thugs. If there were to be a fight between hapless immigrants and powerful labor unions, we will lose hands down. For your information, even Rajiv is not in favor of going to the mainstream media. This view is shared by many people, not just me. Ofcourse, nobody stops any one from going to the mainstream. Every one has his own views and convictions and let them follow their convictions.
 
Our next target is to get endorsements from companies and organizations as many as possible.
Media should be used effectively for that purpose.
As our resource is limited, we need a focus and especially ethnic media must be very effective to get endorsement from ethnic organizations,
but it doesn't prevent anyone from going to the mainstream media.
 
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Cinta,
This is a free discussion forum and i don't think i should restrict myself from making any comments on adjudicators or Republicans or BCIS. We are victims of BCIS , it's officers(do you want me list all the blunders and stupid acts they are doing ?) and this present government. That is the basis of my comments. Previously, you also have made severe comments on BCIS or this governments. Why do you think we should be afraid of somebody reading our posts. My dislike for going to the mainstream media is not because of fear of reprisal from BCIS, but i feel that it (our action) draws some strong reaction from right wing thugs. If there were to be a fight between hapless immigrants and powerful labor unions, we will lose hands down. For your information, even Rajiv is not in favor of going to the mainstream media. This view is shared by many people, not just me. Ofcourse, nobody stops any one from going to the mainstream. Every one has his own views and convictions and let them follow their convictions.
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Let the record and the facts speak for themselves!
Quote yourself only. Let Rajiv talk for himself as he does. You can pinpoint USCIS mistakes and errors but do not be childish..the adjudicators are jealous..come on man!

Wrt ethnic and mainstream media. They are all good. Actually the more the circulation the better. With Ethnic media is easier to publish.
When I confronted the PA DL policies I went to the Inquirer not my ethnic newspaper and that is why I got the calls and results...
 
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