Three Year Degree - I 140 Denied in EB2,planning refile in EB3

raghu_mallu

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I have 3 Year Degree(B Com) + 1 year PG Diploma.I applied for I-140 in EB2(in premium processing) at NSC.It was denied on Educational grounds.The denial notice was faxed on 16 February.They gave one month to appeal.

Now,this is what I thinking to do.
1) Do not appeal to the denial.
2) Apply fresh I-140 in(EB3) stating that by mistake we have applied in EB2
earlier.
My H1( 6 years) is expiring in August.

Can someone please tell me if I am doing correctly.

Your early reply will be appreciated.
 
Raghu,

You should appeal the denial,so that you will get 1 yr ext on your H1.This 1 yr can be used to decide on another options.

Hope this helps..

LET_US_TRY
 
I have 3 Year Degree(B Com) + 1 year PG Diploma.I applied for I-140 in EB2(in premium processing) at NSC.It was denied on Educational grounds.The denial notice was faxed on 16 February.They gave one month to appeal.

Now,this is what I thinking to do.
1) Do not appeal to the denial.
2) Apply fresh I-140 in(EB3) stating that by mistake we have applied in EB2
earlier.
My H1( 6 years) is expiring in August.

Can someone please tell me if I am doing correctly.

Your early reply will be appreciated.

Is 1 year PG Diploma recognized by UGC (University Grant Commission) in India. If not, then it may be diificult to use it for education qualification.
 
Raghu,
You should appeal the denial,so that you will get 1 yr ext on your H1.This 1 yr can be used to decide on another options.
Hope this helps..
LET_US_TRY
But I was told not to appeal,b'cos if I appeal it seems it would go to AAO and would take long time.Instead I was told apply fresh in EB3 mentioning that by mistake we applied in EB2.
 
I think reapplying is a better option. Please read the excerpt from the immigration law website:

03/18/2007: NSC & Concurrently Filed I-140 Denial & Refiling of I-140 Pending Appeal at AAO
Nowadays, I-140 petitions are denied in a large numbers not because of the defects in the underlying certified labor certification applications but because of the employer's financial ability to pay the proffered wage. When the I-140 is denied in the context of current filing of I-140/I-485 and such denial has been appealed to the AAO, question remains whether the petitioner can refile I-140 pending the appeal and what procedure the petitioner should follow. The rules and NSC policies appear to be as follows:
  • Denial of I-140 petition does not invalidate the underlying certified labor certification application unless it is invalidated for fraud or revocation. Accordingly the petitioner can refile I-140 petition at any stage.
  • However, a single certified labor certification application cannot support two I-140 petitions when one of which supports concurrently filed I-485 application, particularly when the petition is denied and appealed to AAO. For the reason, the NSC requires that the petitioner first withdraws the denied I-140 petition and appeal which is pending at the AAO in order to refile I-140 petition. Otherwise, refiling of I-140 petition will be denied. Once it is withdrawn, the NSC will accept the withdrawal letter and proof of its delivery to the AAO as evidence of withdrawal.
  • Once the concurrently filed I-140 is denied, accompanied I-485 is also usually denied by the agency. Thus if I-485 is also denied by the agency, unless the NSC, on its own motion, reopens the decision of denial of I-485 upon reversa of denial of I-140 petition by the AAO, the I-485 application remains denied. Accordingly, if that happens, the parties should also refile I-485 application at the time when new I-140 petition is refiled pending the appeal.
  • If I-140 is denied, but for whatever reasons the agency has yet to deny I-485 application, it appears that NSC may exercise a discretion holding the decision of denial of such I-485 application once the parties timely refiles I-140 petition with the proof of withdrawal of pending appeal of I-140 denial before the AAO.
Caveat: The foregoing policy does not answer one critical question of impact of withdrawal of appeal and refiling of I-140 petition and I-485 application on retrogression of the visa numbers. When the NSC requires refiling of I-485 application, one may assume that unless the visa number is available at the time of refiling of I-485 application, one may not be able to file the new I-485 application. Accordingly the withdrawal of denied I-140 and refiling of new I-140 petition in the context of the concurrent I-140/I-485 filing may accompany a huge risk unless the visa number is available when the parties seek such option. Accordingly, people should never, repeat never, take such action unless the circumstances are carefully and thoroughly reviewed by their legal counsels first. The huge risk includes that once one wins on appeal and the agency reopens the denial of accompanying I-485 application, the retrogression at the time of motion to reopen may not affect the "pending" status of I-485 application. However, when the appeal is withdrawn and they will have to file new I-140 petition and I-485 application, depending on the visa number retrogression, they may not be able to file the concurrently new I-140 and I-485 application.
 
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Then it can NOT be used as part of your educational qualification for LC and I-140. Please check details with your lawyer/attorney.

Who says Diplomas should be recognized by the UGC in India. A lot of private institutes in India offer computer diplomas but very few are UGC approved. There has hardly been any post by any member on this website which says their I-140 was denied because their degree or diploma was non-recognised of such diplomas by USCIS. I would consutling with a good attorney to discuss viable options. Please don't rely entirely on any advice you receive on this website.
 
you have to start over completely

You have to apply for a new Labor Certification using the 3 year bachelor's degree with 3 years of experience requirement. You can't just appeal saying that you made a mistake on the requirements on the LC... well, you can, but it'll get you nowhere. The right way to do it is file a new PERM EB3 (requirements 4-yr Bach + 1 yr experience w/alternative of 3 yr bach + 3 years experience.) Once approved, file the new I-140. You can't use a post-graduate to equate to an EB2 case. I've heard of ONE of those getting through ever, just because my boss prepared a kick-butt response to an RFE. But other than that, they will always be denied 99.9% of the time.

Who on earth prepared your labor certification?! He/she definitely does not know what he/she is doing. That's ridiculous for an experienced attorney to make that sort of mistake (if it is an attorney.)

Anyway, good luck to you.


I have 3 Year Degree(B Com) + 1 year PG Diploma.I applied for I-140 in EB2(in premium processing) at NSC.It was denied on Educational grounds.The denial notice was faxed on 16 February.They gave one month to appeal.

Now,this is what I thinking to do.
1) Do not appeal to the denial.
2) Apply fresh I-140 in(EB3) stating that by mistake we have applied in EB2
earlier.
My H1( 6 years) is expiring in August.

Can someone please tell me if I am doing correctly.

Your early reply will be appreciated.
 
Question for st4rguitar

st4rguitar - Thanks for providing such valuable advice to all the forum members. Here is the situation for facing one of my friends:

Backlog LC was approved sometime back and he is ready to file I-140 in EB2 (MS+1 or Bachelors+5 years progressive experience). He has a 4 year bachelors degree from a Canadian university obtained while studying and completing the course-work in India. This degree is not accredited in India but is recognized in Canada.

This degree was accepted for admission to an accredited MS program at a State University here in US. The program director of the department offering the course has even provided a letter stating that they have accepted the 4 year foreign bachelors for admission to the Masters program. This indicates that the degree is recognized for post-graduate studies here in the US.

Have you encountered similar cases in the past ? Do you think there would be any kind of issues related to education at the I-140 stage? My friend plans to provide a detailed course-by-course evaluation and related documentation to support his I-140 application.
 
Riz,
Thanks so much for your kind comments! I'm happy to help in any way that I can.

I'm not sure how that one's going to work, to be honest. But, what I do know is that having a US master's always works in the person's favor. Honestly, I wouldn't even do a course-by-course evaluation unless the attorney recommends it. They are very pricey from the evaluators. I would wait for an RFE if it does come and then do the evaluation at that time, as to not waste funds at this early point.

Best wishes to you & your friend.
~ BB (St4rGuitar)


st4rguitar - Thanks for providing such valuable advice to all the forum members. Here is the situation for facing one of my friends:

Backlog LC was approved sometime back and he is ready to file I-140 in EB2 (MS+1 or Bachelors+5 years progressive experience). He has a 4 year bachelors degree from a Canadian university obtained while studying and completing the course-work in India. This degree is not accredited in India but is recognized in Canada.

This degree was accepted for admission to an accredited MS program at a State University here in US. The program director of the department offering the course has even provided a letter stating that they have accepted the 4 year foreign bachelors for admission to the Masters program. This indicates that the degree is recognized for post-graduate studies here in the US.

Have you encountered similar cases in the past ? Do you think there would be any kind of issues related to education at the I-140 stage? My friend plans to provide a detailed course-by-course evaluation and related documentation to support his I-140 application.
 
Riz,
Thanks so much for your kind comments! I'm happy to help in any way that I can.

I'm not sure how that one's going to work, to be honest. But, what I do know is that having a US master's always works in the person's favor. Honestly, I wouldn't even do a course-by-course evaluation unless the attorney recommends it. They are very pricey from the evaluators. I would wait for an RFE if it does come and then do the evaluation at that time, as to not waste funds at this early point.

Best wishes to you & your friend.
~ BB (St4rGuitar)

St4rGuitar,

Pardon me for not mentioning that he is completing his part-time accredited Masters from a State University here in US and is about to apply his EB2 I-140 based on Bachelors+5 years progressive experience criteria (as mentioned in the LC). At the time of applying his I-140 he would still have only the foreign 4 years Bachelors degree. The Bachelors degree is un-accredited in India, but accredited in Canada (Canadian university) and accepted for admission for Masters admission.).
 
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