Speeding ticket in 2005:should I list it?

R

roberto gasta

Registered Users (C)
Hi
I had a speeding ticket in los Angeles in 2005 , I lost a copy but I've the receipt of payment

I'm in ny, shoul I list this ticket ? Irony even remember if the police officer issued this ticket under my name or my ex wife name

The payment was made by my ex wife with a check

Pls advice

Thanks
 
roberto gasta said:
Hi
I had a speeding ticket in los Angeles in 2005 , I lost a copy but I've the receipt of payment

I'm in ny, shoul I list this ticket ? Irony even remember if the police officer issued this ticket under my name or my ex wife name

The payment was made by my ex wife with a check

Pls advice

Thanks
Click to expand...

This question has been beaten to death a hundred times over. That's why we even have a sticky about it at the top of this page:
http://forums.immigration.com/showt...ts-and-naturalization-(threads-merged)/page87

Read the sticky first and if you still have a question after you have read it, post your question there.
 
No need to disclose minor traffic infractions even within the last 5 years with a fine less than $500.00, it is even explained in the instructions of N-400.
Forget about that speeding ticket in 2005.
 
page 60 talks about what you should REVEAL in regards to good moral carachete,

ive heard in other posts that a SPEEDING TICKET is a CITATION and u should say it

if u dont, it could be misrepresentation

can anyone pls ADVICE clearly?
 
roberto gasta said:
Hi
I had a speeding ticket in los Angeles in 2005 , I lost a copy but I've the receipt of payment

I'm in ny, shoul I list this ticket ? Irony even remember if the police officer issued this ticket under my name or my ex wife name

The payment was made by my ex wife with a check

Pls advice

Thanks
Click to expand...

It is better to disclose than feeling sorry at a later date.

I had two speeding tkts, one in 2002 and another in 2004. I listed both of them in my application and also I do have the proof for having dismisssed.

I got a yellow letter saying since I said yes to one of the questions, I should bring Driving licence and the proof of documents to the effect on the day of interview. I am ok with it.
 
roberto gasta said:
page 60 talks about what you should REVEAL in regards to good moral carachete,

ive heard in other posts that a SPEEDING TICKET is a CITATION and u should say it

if u dont, it could be misrepresentation

can anyone pls ADVICE clearly?
Click to expand...

Here is the text from the first paragraph on page 60 of the document I linked to:

"Except for minor traffic offenses that did not result in your arrest (and drunk driving is not considered a minor traffic offense), you should always reveal any arrest, whether or not charged, and any conviction, and whether or not the conviction has been expunged, sealed or vacated."

Traffic tickets that didn't result in an arrest do not need to be reported. Is it possible to be clearer than that?
 
Vorpal said:
Here is the text from the first paragraph on page 60 of the document I linked to:

"Except for minor traffic offenses that did not result in your arrest (and drunk driving is not considered a minor traffic offense), you should always reveal any arrest, whether or not charged, and any conviction, and whether or not the conviction has been expunged, sealed or vacated."

Traffic tickets that didn't result in an arrest do not need to be reported. Is it possible to be clearer than that?
Click to expand...

The question, at least to me, is not about the meaning of what the document you cite says, but about the status of the document itself.
It is an unsigned undated document, and it is unclear which office within the USCIS produced it and when, and if the IOs adjudicating naturalization applications consider it binding.

Usually, when a policy issue is being clarified by USCIS itself, USCIS either issues a signed and dated policy memo, or amends the adjudicator's field manual or amends some of the relevant forms/publications/instructions.
None of these things happened here. There was no policy memo, no changes on the adjudicator's field manual and no changes in either the form N-400 or its instructions or in M-476. Question 4 on form N-445 (oath ceremony letter) still explicitly asks to list all traffic tickets received after the interview and before the oath date. The wording of the relevant question in N-400 still has not changed and is still phrased in unconditional terms "Have you ever been ... cited ... by any law enforcement officer ... for any reason?"

Also, here is an example of a thread from Sept 2009 where N-400 was denied on GMC grounds because of several traffic tickets, none of which appear to have had fines over $500 or resulted in an arrest and none were DUI related:
http://www.immigration-information....plication-denied-due-to-traffic-tickets-9186/

People are of course entitled to make up their own minds, but to me at least, the traffic ticket issue still does not appear to be clear-cut for the moment.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
baikal3 said:
The question, at least to me, is not about the meaning of what the document you cite says, but about the status of the document itself.
It is an unsigned undated document, and it is unclear which office within the USCIS produced it and when, and if the IOs adjudicating naturalization applications consider it binding.

Usually, when a policy issue is being clarified by USCIS itself, USCIS either issues a signed and dated policy memo, or amends the adjudicator's field manual or amends some of the relevant forms/publications/instructions.
None of these things happened here. There was no policy memo, no changes on the adjudicator's field manual and no changes in either the form N-400 or its instructions or in M-476. Question 4 on form N-445 (oath ceremony letter) still explicitly asks to list all traffic tickets received after the interview and before the oath date. The wording of the relevant question in N-400 still has not changed and is still phrased in unconditional terms "Have you ever been ... cited ... by any law enforcement officer ... for any reason?"

Also, here is an example of a thread from Sept 2009 where N-400 was denied on GMC grounds because of several traffic tickets, none of which appear to have had fines over $500 or resulted in an arrest and none were DUI related:
http://www.immigration-information....plication-denied-due-to-traffic-tickets-9186/

People are of course entitled to make up their own minds, but to me at least, the traffic ticket issue still does not appear to be clear-cut for the moment.
Click to expand...

The person in the thread to which you linked was denied for failure to answer a ticket, as well as driving with a suspended license (a misdemeanor offense), which resulted from failure to respond to said ticket.

As far as the document that states that it's not necessary to disclose minor traffic tickets that didn't result in an arrest, I tend to believe that the document's presence on USCIS.gov makes it official. From what I understand, the document was created in May 2010.

Yes, the oath letter still specifically asks to list traffic tickets received between the interview and oath ceremony. The N-400 does not. As such, I completely agree with you on the fact that the traffic ticket issue is very unclear. If I were applying for naturalization right now, I would print out the document and show it to the IO, in case I was specifically questioned about traffic tickets.
 
Vorpal said:
Here is the text from the first paragraph on page 60 of the document I linked to:

"Except for minor traffic offenses that did not result in your arrest (and drunk driving is not considered a minor traffic offense), you should always reveal any arrest, whether or not charged, and any conviction, and whether or not the conviction has been expunged, sealed or vacated."

Traffic tickets that didn't result in an arrest do not need to be reported. Is it possible to be clearer than that?
Click to expand...

Is this document you are linking to still current? It does seem extremely clear if so. I confess that I read the application not to include, but have been panicked since and have collected proof of disposition for all 5 tickets I racked up since 1998 and intend to take to interview along with a corrected page for the N-400 to offer immediately at the start of the interview. I would love to have some assurance that my mistake was a common one though and is not going to be viewed as being nefarious.
 
Trolls who want to induce applicants to lie and get denied are at it again.

Why you keep insisting that people should conceal material fact and lie to USCIS officers about their minor traffic ticket? Why not disclose it when the N-400 clearly states (as baikal noted) to disclose any citation by any law enforcement officer for any reason?

What is all this "go to interview and conceal material fact, lie to USCIS officer" about?

Warning to ALL: do not listen to HEARSAY. Read and follow the N-400 instruction. The question in N-400 is clear: you must disclose any citations by any law enforcement officer for any reasons. Clear and simple as that.

The rest is an innuendo and deliberate inducement to conceal material fact which could lead to denial of application and, worse, revocation of citizenship0 at any time in future if USCIS ever discover you were not truthful in answering those questions.

Good luck to all and do not listen to trolls. Do what is right.
 
KASPAR said:
Trolls who want to induce applicants to lie and get denied are at it again.

Why you keep insisting that people should conceal material fact and lie to USCIS officers about their minor traffic ticket? Why not disclose it when the N-400 clearly states (as baikal noted) to disclose any citation by any law enforcement officer for any reason?

What is all this "go to interview and conceal material fact, lie to USCIS officer" about?

Warning to ALL: do not listen to HEARSAY. Read and follow the N-400 instruction. The question in N-400 is clear: you must disclose any citations by any law enforcement officer for any reasons. Clear and simple as that.

The rest is an innuendo and deliberate inducement to conceal material fact which could lead to denial of application and, worse, revocation of citizenship0 at any time in future if USCIS ever discover you were not truthful in answering those questions.

Good luck to all and do not listen to trolls. Do what is right.
Click to expand...
Please ban this kaspar character, he makes this forum unreadable with his over the top act.
 
nobodyspecial said:
Is this document you are linking to still current? It does seem extremely clear if so. I confess that I read the application not to include, but have been panicked since and have collected proof of disposition for all 5 tickets I racked up since 1998 and intend to take to interview along with a corrected page for the N-400 to offer immediately at the start of the interview. I would love to have some assurance that my mistake was a common one though and is not going to be viewed as being nefarious.
Click to expand...

It certainly is current. My personal experience completely proves what is stated in the document. Ignore the "dump and fly" troll.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top