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shamshon

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The latest conflict between kaotic and leathergreat on one hand, and asyleeold, and miami on the other hand reveals how asylee have internalized the mistreatment they have both by their old and new countries. In other words, when some one treats you in a disgusting way and makes you feel low about yourself, you either fight back or most commonly you believe him/her. You turn the anger inward and then when you see some one who has a similar situation, you will treat them horribly and make them feel bad about themselves since they are actually your mirror. For example, African Americans are more violent with each other than with anyone else. Also Asian American gangs only hurt Asian American merchants. Not only that asylees had hardships with their old countries, they also have to deal with a sense of humiliation as they try to live permenantly in the US. I am not saying that I am not guilty of doing the same but it is good that someone realizes this part of himself/herself. Let us stop personal attack and accusations. Do you think that if you report someone, this will solve the huge problem facing asylees? It will take years until the case is proven meanwhile the government and the INS will continue to keep the 10000 cap. I ask everyone who is angry to channel this anger into something more useful. Call your representative or senator. Tell them about your anger and your sense of injustice. Do not turn against one other.
 
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Shamshon,

Just want to let you know that I had been through the process in the mid 1980s, almost twenty years ago.

I have no intention of reigniting the embers of an old debate. But most asylees (real) never felt "mistreated" by this government, as you insisted for so long. We are very thankful to this government. I think current asylees ARE mistreated by fakes among their number who are prolonging everone's wait.

My message to current asylees is: Congress will not even think about raising the cap until this war on is over. You are waiting for for such a long time thanks to people who are trying to go back to their countries and have no need for protection at all. It is high time to reinterview for current asylees and to deport economic migrants who pretend that they are refugees. International refugee protection is supposed to be a last resort for people who have no other choices. It is not a short cut to immigration.
 
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Shamshon,

Just want to let you know that I had been through the process in the mid 1980s, almost twenty years ago.

I have no intention of reigniting the embers of an old debate. But most asylees (real) never felt "mistreated" by this government, as you insisted for so long. We are very thankful to this government. I think current asylees ARE mistreated by fakes among their number who are prolonging everone's wait.

My message to current asylees is: Congress will not even think about raising the cap until this war on is over. You are waiting for for such a long time thanks to people who are trying to go back to their countries and have no need for protection at all. It is high time to reinterview for current asylees and to deport economic migrants who pretend that they are refugees. International refugee protection is supposed to be a last resort for people who have no other choices. It is not a short cut to immigration.
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Wow, 20 years?
Asyleeold, if the process allows fake people to be granted asylum, how come only 10 % of all those who apply for political asylum actually win their cases? The 90 % either get deported or use different means such as marriage or employment visas. If you read the Geneva convention about refugees and asylees, you will find that among its articles, a call for governments to make their best efforts to make refugees parts of their citizens in no more than 5 years. I would bet that you did not have to wait for 10 years like me. You applied during the Regan's era which constituted the golden time for immigrants (Reagn was my hero).Did this government do that with us? I wish you understand what I mean. I am not saying that I am not grateful but trust me asyleeold, i have been much feeling much differently since I got my approval letter. I waited 10 years and that made me sad and hurt. I wish you understand.
 
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Shamshon,

I think you misunderstood.

I applied for asylum in the mid 1980s. It was granted by the INS district office (there was no asylum officer back then) in 1988. I received adjustment in in 1991. I applied for and received citizenship in 96.

I am coming to this forum just for fun. Just want to clarify.
 
Shamshon,

What did you mean by "the golden time for immigrants (Reagn was my hero)." Are you serious or being sarcastic?

Also, the asylum approval rate for 2001 WAS OVER 40%.

I you look at the scheme, you can see that people granted asylum and apply for residency after one year. The residency is backdated. So in theory asylees are to become citizens in five years. Perhaps every now and then the cap is exceeded and they have to wait 6 or seven years.

The situation now is ridiculous. I think asylum officers have been too credulous and give too many approvals. Just seach the Internet and you will find many cases of detected fraud. The problem is not the government, but fake applicants and gullible/inept INS staff. Reading messages from people who have just been granted and already plotting to travel back makes my blood boil.
 
One of the first things the Department of Homeland Security should do is to combat fraud in the asylum system.
 
Originally posted by asyleeold
Shamshon,

What did you mean by "the golden time for immigrants (Reagn was my hero)." Are you serious or being sarcastic?

Also, the asylum approval rate for 2001 WAS OVER 40%.

I you look at the scheme, you can see that people granted asylum and apply for residency after one year. The residency is backdated. So in theory asylees are to become citizens in five years. Perhaps every now and then the cap is exceeded and they have to wait 6 or seven years.

The situation now is ridiculous. I think asylum officers have been too credulous and give too many approvals. Just seach the Internet and you will find many cases of detected fraud. The problem is not the government, but fake applicants and gullible/inept INS staff. Reading messages from people who have just been granted and already plotting to travel back makes my blood boil.
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By golden time I meant there were many immigration acts that allowed even illegal immigrants to adjust their status in this country such as the amnesty act, and the farm workers act ..etc. I want you to look at the INS statistics and you will see that the rate of asylum approval since 1997 has been 10%. I do not know where you got the 40 % from. Read the statistics carefully. The 40% are those who went to a judge and it happened that in the year 2001 there were many asylees from Africa after the massacre of Hotto and totsie Tribes and that is why the numbers were high that year. Trust me I have no intention of defending these fake losers who were granted asylum without any merit. Trust me they make my blood boil but my point is that their number is not as large as you think.
 
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go to this link and you will see on page 14 that the approval rate by asylum officers in 2001 was 43%, the higest since time time I applied (in 1987).

My understanding is that the success rate before judges is actually lower, somewhere around 30%.

So my point is asylum officers are being too lenient and fail to catch fakes.
 
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